GoSooners Bowl Season Thread With "Running Dogs"!

[born2gamble]

Yes, but look at what most of these teams did on offense this year against their other opponents. And then look what they did against Texas.

Florida Atlantic got held to 3 points and shut out against Minnesota and Michigan State. The rest of their schedule is a joke.

UTEP didn't play a team with any kind of a defense all season long. New Mexico State, UCF, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa, Rice, Lafayette, SMU, Houston, and East Carolina(Scored 21 against them. This was probably the best defense from all these teams to.)

Rice has almost the same schedule as UTEP. Their toughest game though was Vandy who held them to 21.

Arkansas had lots of teams hold them down. Florida held them to 7. Bama to 14, Ole Miss had them at 14 till 1:30 left in the game. South Carolina had them at 14 till 1:30 left in the game to. That TD was irrelevant in the game.

Colorado also had a tough time scoring. Mizzou shut them out. Kansas, West Virginia, Kansas State, and Okie Lite held them to 17 points or less.

 

[GoSooners]

Florida Atlantic got held to 3 points and shut out against Minnesota and Michigan State. The rest of their schedule is a joke.

UTEP didn't play a team with any kind of a defense all season long. New Mexico State, UCF, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa, Rice, Lafayette, SMU, Houston, and East Carolina(Scored 21 against them. This was probably the best defense from all these teams to.)

Rice has almost the same schedule as UTEP. Their toughest game though was Vandy who held them to 21.

Arkansas had lots of teams hold them down. Florida held them to 7. Bama to 14, Ole Miss had them at 14 till 1:30 left in the game. South Carolina had them at 14 till 1:30 left in the game to. That TD was irrelevant in the game.

Colorado also had a tough time scoring. Mizzou shut them out. Kansas, West Virginia, Kansas State, and Okie Lite held them to 17 points or less.

No matter how you look at it, Rice and UTEP were high scoring teams this season. And they both had their season lows against Texas. The point is, Texas was very consistent on defense throughout all of their non conference games. There, I worded it a little better for you.

 

[GoSooners]

Very glad to see you on this play GS. All that write up, and no mention about how the Buckeyes fold in bowl games vs real opponents?

My first instinct was a trap on this game, and was a bit surprised to see the line drop from 10 to 8. Maybe there are more Big Ten homers out there than I thought.

Well, there are a few more things that I could have brought up about Ohio State. When I cap games, I have a tendency to favor the dogs with a good defense when getting more than a TD. But I looked like hell, and I couldn't find a real advantage for Ohio State in any aspect of this game.

 

[jbragg10]

Fiesta Bowl:


Texas (-8) over Ohio State ***
Ohio State comes into this game on a 3 game win streak after losing to Penn State. But OSU's wins haven't been quite as impressive as their scores would indicate. OSU struggled on offense through their first 7 games while breaking in Pryor. Then came their 45-7 win over Michigan State. A game in which the Spartans turned the ball over 5 times. Even at that, this was probably OSU's best overall game of the season. But keep in mind that MSU was pretty much a one dimensional team slanted to the run. So OSU pretty much beat them at their own game. Their other big win came against another below average Northwestern offense that had a ton of injuries that day. OSU then went to Illinois, a team with a mobile quarterback and a team who can play some good offense on occasion. And that day Juice Williams and the Illinois offense lit OSU up for 455 yards in a 30-20 loss. And then OSU ended thr year against another poor offensive team Michigan. The problem I have with OSU is not with how they've performed coming down the stretch. But their competition. And it's been pretty obvious by their performance in these bowls and out of conference games this season, that the Big 10 is still down this year.

Texas on the other hand has played the toughest schedule in college football this year. Very few teams have ever had to face 4 top 10 teams in a row in one season. And even fewer have come out undefeated. But the reality is the Horns were just one pass reception and one dropped interception away from playing in the BCS title game. Despite the misleading scores that the best offenses in the Big 12 have put up against them, this defense has been a tough nut to crack. Take a look at Texas first five opponents and you'll see what I mean. They gave up just 11 ppg during that span.. They are just about impossible to run on with any consistency, and they give up just 74 ypg rushing.. The only yards allowed have mainly been from selling out on defense some against the passing game. But keep in mind that they've faced the best passing teams in the nation this season. If OSU had the same schedule they would be allowing the same amount or more yards against these high octane offenses.

Normally I really like teams like Ohio State who are the dogs with good running games and can play defense. But statistically Texas is the better running team in this spot... And in my opinion they are also a bit better on defense. The Horns wildcard is Colt McCoy, who gets the nod over Pryor. McCoy can do it all. And I don't think OSU has seen anybody quite like him this season. He'll make things happen where OSU's other strong opponent this season, Penn State couldn't. In my opinion Texas has a better O-Line and D-Line than Penn State. And this is where the game will be won. I expect Texas outstanding defensive front led by Brian Orakpo and Roy Miller to put pressure on a young Pryor all day like he hasn't felt since they faced USC. And although Ohio State has the motivation of getting their last two BCS title games performances monkey off their backs, I believe Texas has even more motivation here with getting snubbed by the BCS title game, and McCoy getting snubbed for the Heisman. I think the Horns will be playing with a lot of purpose here. They are one of just a 4 football programs who are undefeated in BCS bowl games. And I think they keep the string going here. My numbers have Texas winning this game by 16 points. And this is without the motivation factor and other intangibles added in.

I look for Texas to get a good dose of Beanie Wells in this game. But I believe the Horns can stop or slow him down like Penn State did. They did it with their defensive speed. And speed is what Texas has plenty of on defense. I guarantee you OSU is going to have a rough time on offense given the Horns outstanding defensive coordinator Muschamp's month to prepare for them. And on the other side of the ball, the only opponent that OSU faced this year that averages as many yards on offense as Texas was USC. And we saw what they did to them. Plus the Buckeyes are facing the best QB that they've faced all season. And McCoy is almost sure to have a chip on his shoulder coming into this game. We're talking about two defenses that are fairly even, with possibly a small nod to Texas and the better defensive coordinator. But we're talking about an OSU offense that is averaging only 325 total ypg against Texas 477. This will be the difference in the game. I believe Texas eventually wears this defense down or forces them into mistakes and Texas comes out with a win.

Texas 35
Ohio State 20

:toast:

 

[bookiebanger]

GS let's get this one.

 

[GoSooners]

GS let's get this one.

Thanks Bookie...I feel pretty confident about this play....But Texas still sucks...:lol:

 

[whiskeybent]

Thanks again for a great year GS. Your insight and respective manner in capping games is second to none. The final SOS #'s are Texas +4.9, Tulsa +.7, and Homa +1.4.
I know it pains you to bet on the Horns, but it is the right play!

 

[GoSooners]

Thanks again for a great year GS. Your insight and respective manner in capping games is second to none. The final SOS #'s are Texas +4.9, Tulsa +.7, and Homa +1.4.
I know it pains you to bet on the Horns, but it is the right play!

whiskey...Thanks for the kind words. Texas does have a very good SOS.And that was the first thing taken into consideration when capping this game. The bottom line here is OSU has a very raw QB who has only about 7 games under his belt. This is simply not enough against this Texas defense, who has seen some much better QB's.. If there is a weakness on Texas, it is their young secondary. But with a young QB such as Pryor, with the pressure the Texas D-Line is sure to put on him, I see him very seldom being able to take advantage of the Texas pass defnese in this game. I'm always very leery of a team who averages only 139 yards passing a game. I think this is the reason why Tressel has talked about playing both Boeckman and Pryor at the same time in this game. He said he's going to throw in a few gadget plays with these two. It's sounds more like desperation than anything else to me. He knows he's going to need something extra than what he has on offense to beat Texas, because the Horns defense has seen some much better offenses this season. The Penn State game showed me that the OSU offense can't deal with defensive speed. And Texas has just as much or more than PSU. OSU is the kind of team who has a lot of muscle. But when they can't overpower teams like Northwestern or Michigan State, they lose their games with other major powers of equal muscle because they simply don't have the skill players of a Florida, LSU or a Texas...BOL this bowl season.

 

[GoSooners]

Guys...I wanted to bring up the running dog system one more time before the end of the bowls. I didn't want you to think it did that bad this year. That was just me...LOL. Maybe I should have followed it a little closer. Right now after getting off to a slow start, it now stands at 8-5 with Tulsa pending. And it came very close to winning with Navy & Air Force. Although I kind of like Ball State more than Tulsa, I may just leave it alone rather than trying to beat the running dogs system.


Navy (Loss)
Colorado St. (Win)
BYU (Loss)
Notre Dame (Win)
Florida Atlantic (Win)
Wisconsin (Loss)
La Tech (Win)
Western Michigan (Loss)
Oregon (HUGE-Better defense too) (Win)
Air Force (Loss)
Nebraska (Win)
Ole Miss (Win)
Kentucky (Win)
Tulsa

 

[nd2000]

Fiesta Bowl:


Texas (-8) over Ohio State *** And on the other side of the ball, the only opponent that OSU faced this year that averages as many yards on offense as Texas was USC. And we saw what they did to them. Plus the Buckeyes are facing the best QB that they've faced all season. And McCoy is almost sure to have a chip on his shoulder coming into this game. We're talking about two defenses that are fairly even, with possibly a small nod to Texas and the better defensive coordinator. But we're talking about an OSU offense that is averaging only 325 total ypg against Texas 477.

Statistically on paper, Texas may appear to have as good a offense as SC, but in reality, Southern Cal is a lot more talented on offense than Texas. SC is miles ahead of Texas at running back, ahead of Texas in wide receiver talent, SC has a beast at tight end, and SC has an equal at QB in Mark Sanchez. Sanchez is every bit as good as McCoy. There are very few on Texas' starting offensive unit that would start for Southern Cal. Ohio State's defense will fair a lot better in this game than they did at USC earlier in the year.

I would agree with you that the defenses are pretty equal talent wise, but Texas is almost certainly the overrated football team here.

 

[AlwaysKeen]

damn, on the other side of this one...

 

[GoSooners]

Statistically on paper, Texas may appear to have as good a offense as SC, but in reality, Southern Cal is a lot more talented on offense than Texas. SC is miles ahead of Texas at running back, ahead of Texas in wide receiver talent, SC has a beast at tight end, and SC has an equal at QB in Mark Sanchez. Sanchez is every bit as good as McCoy. There are very few on Texas' starting offensive unit that would start for Southern Cal. Ohio State's defense will fair a lot better in this game than they did at USC earlier in the year.

I would agree with you that the defenses are pretty equal talent wise, but Texas is almost certainly the overrated football team here.

ND....Although they don't always play like it, there is no doubt that USC has the most talented team in the country, with the most 5 star blue chip players... I won't deny this. I've said on here many times that I think USC, with maybe the exception of 2005 season when they were rebuilding their defense and lost to Texas, have had the best team in country every year under Carroll.. And everybody else is basically playing for a mythical national championship each season. I don't think any different this year. No matter who wins between Florida and OU, that team will be the second best team in the country in my mind.

There's no denying that USC is miles ahead of Texas at RB, and a couple of the WR positions. But you also could have said the same thing with Utah against Bama. Name me one player on that Utah team that will be playing on Sunday's. These BCS games are not just about the yardage advantage or talent advantage for one team over another. Bama had the better numbers form the better conference.. It's about individual matchups and perhaps the most important element, motivation. Do I expect the 35-3 beatdown that OSU took at the hands of USC early in the season? No. But I do expect Texas to cover this spread.. The one thing that Texas has that Ohio State doesn't is the "it factor". And the "it factor" for Texas is Colt McCoy. The only part of your statement that I wholeheartidly disagreed with you about is you think Sanchez is as good as McCoy. He's not. He might end up better in the pros. But he isn't in the college game.. That's one of the reasons why he didn't get invited to New York with the other Heisman candidates. McCoy not only has as much or more accuracy than Sanchez, he's a HUGE threat to run the ball. And he's also a much better decision maker on the field than Sanchez. Mainly because he has so much experience..He'll be the it factor in this game, just like Teabow is the it factor for Florida, and Pat White was at West Virginia. I actually think that McCoy was by far the most desrving player to win the Heisman this year. Mainly because he was the most valuable player to his team getting to where they are now than any player for any team. Hands down. It doesn't matter as much how many more or less yards Texas averages than USC. What matters is they have the advantage on offense, along with the it factor. And Ohio State doesn't. Unless you think that Beanie Wells is going to somehow rack up a bunch yards on one of the best run defenses in the country. He couldn't do it against Penn State on the Buckeyes home field. I doubt seriously if he'll do much better against Texas.

I think the motivation for this game really slants heavily to Texas. Something I didn't mention in my writeup is the seniors on this Texas team remember well the last meeting they had with OSU when they lost 24-7 in their game with them two years ago. And they've stated that they have some serious payback on their minds for this team. And I remember this was also McCoy's first start as a freshman. So you better believe that he hasn't forgotten that loss. This has been a very disappointing year for Ohio State. With the players they have returning, they were expected to compete for their third national title in a row. Instead, they lost the Big 10 title and more games this year than they've lost in the last two years combined. This isn't really the game they wanted to be in. Texas on the other hand was picked to finsih third in the Big 12 South. And it's been an unexpectably good year for this team. Big difference. OSU's defense might possibly be able to stay within striking disance if they play a perfect game and gamble and call all of the right plays on defense. But my bet is that Texas will grab the momentum from OSU sometime in the second half and win this game by a couple scores or more. To me, if you like OSU, your picking them to cover and not win. But I think it's a gamble picking a team who is just a little over a TD dog to try and cover for you. This isn't the NFL. College games usually don't work out that way....BOL

 

[GoSooners]

damn, on the other side of this one...

I hate to hear that Pags. But I just couldn't find a big enough advantage for OSU anywhere in this game to give them the nod here.

 

[nd2000]

No doubt McCoy had the better year and was more valuable to his team than Sanchez, and he did deserve the Heisman IMO. But Sanchez is every bit as talented, if not more, than McCoy. He tore up a very good Penn State defense in the Rose Bowl, and all i was really trying to say was that talent wise, SC had an equal to Texas at QB.

 

[GoSooners]

No doubt McCoy had the better year and was more valuable to his team than Sanchez, and he did deserve the Heisman IMO. But Sanchez is every bit as talented, if not more, than McCoy. He tore up a very good Penn State defense in the Rose Bowl, and all i was really trying to say was that talent wise, SC had an equal to Texas at QB.

ND....Neither of these two QB's, and Bradford and Tebow included, would have had near the success they had without their great offensive lines to see why they are both doing better this year... All you had to do is look at last year where both McCoy and Sanchez struggled behind rebuilt offensive lines. Sometimes a QB is only as good as the people he has to protect him and the receivers he has to throw to. Considering the embarassment of riches that Sanchez has to throw to, it's no wonder he has been successful in some of USC's bigger games. Although he has also been inconsistent at times this year. He looked absolutely lost in the Oregon State game. I also think if you put Sanchez on Texas team this year, he wouldn't have had the success of McCoy, because he isn't nearly as good a runner, or passing on the run as McCoy... And McCoy has accounted for the majority of the 177 rushing yards that Texas averages a game. That's why I thought he was absolutely the most valuable player to his team, and should have won the heisman this year.

 

[VoiceofReason101]

But you also could have said the same thing with Utah against Bama. Name me one player on that Utah team that will be playing on Sunday's. These BCS games are not just about the yardage advantage or talent advantage for one team over another. Bama had the better numbers form the better conference.. It's about individual matchups and perhaps the most important element, motivation.

This is why I come into your thread (well besides being a good guy haha)

:toast:

 

[GoSooners]

Fiesta Bowl Prop Play: **

Texas receiver Jordan Shipley: Over 6.5 pass receptions.

 

[fivestarjake]

hey sooners. playing the under in championship game. right now its 69' but looking for a lower alternate line at +money as soon as 5dimes puts one out. probably at 67.

 

[GoSooners]

hey sooners. playing the under in championship game. right now its 69' but looking for a lower alternate line at +money as soon as 5dimes puts one out. probably at 67.

Jake....I'm also leaning towards the under in that game. A 35/35 point split between two teams in a championship game is quite a few points. Even as good as these offenses are. I'm still seeing it at 70 in one of my books (Bookmaker).

 

[fan]

on the other side one of us will have a winner
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