GoSooners Bowl Season Thread With "Running Dogs"!

[GoSooners]

Everything in my database points to TCU, but i have a funny feeling about this one. I don't like fading Boise.

Boise, for the most part, is an untested team. They played Oregon when the Ducks were really banged up and the WAC offered zero resistance as usual. Coming in to the season, Boise only returned 12 starters, so i was kind of surprised to see them decimate their competition like they did. I thought they may be a little weaker this season, so they could be good fade material in this game.

I hear everything your saying. And my database isn't any different than yours. It shows TCU to be the overwhelming choice...On paper. But I get that same funny feeling about this game as you do. As much as we try to use logic in our plays, sometimes there is something more to it, like the intangibles. I may be overthinking this game. But I think everybody has to admit that Boise has an uncanny way of winning big games. This TCU game isn't unlike the game Boise played two years ago against OU. The Sooners didn't have a great offense, but they were fairly well balanced and had a good running game behind Adrian Peterson, and a very good defense that year. And they were pretty much the majority choice to win. Just like if you ask the board here who they like, 9 out of 10 will say TCU if you go by the RX survey. But Boise scored more points on OU than anybody did all year. And they did it by playing balls to the wall football and never letting up. Peterson seems to get his team super motivated for these kinds of games. And they stay with you for a full 60 minutes. So I think no matter how much they get rattled by the TCU defense, they'll keep coming at them. My concern with TCU is making mistakes. Against good defenses they tend to make mistakes. They had 5 turnovers against OU. And the two interceptions they threw against Utah was costly. And they only managed to score 10 points against both of those teams. Something else that Boise does different than OU or Utah does is they will throw a bunch of different formations at you, and line up players in positions that you normally wouldn't see them in. It makes it very confusing on even the best defenses. So Patterson has his work cut out for him in preparing for this team. It's true that except for Oregon that Boise really hasn't been tested. But they've also done everything they are suppose to do against inferior competetion. So it's hard for me to say many negative things about Boise. They are a well coached well disciplined team. It doesn't mean TCU won't get the win here. But I think it's going down to the wire either way.

 

[fballplaya]

I hear everything your saying. And my database isn't any different than yours. It shows TCU to be the overwhelming choice...On paper. But I get that same funny feeling about this game as you do. As much as we try to use logic in our plays, sometimes there is something more to it, like the intangibles. I may be overthinking this game. But I think everybody has to admit that Boise has an uncanny way of winning big games. This TCU game isn't unlike the game Boise played two years ago against OU. The Sooners didn't have a great offense, but they were fairly well balanced and had a good running game behind Adrian Peterson, and a very good defense that year. And they were pretty much the majority choice to win. Just like if you ask the board here who they like, 9 out of 10 will say TCU if you go by the RX survey. But Boise scored more points on OU than anybody did all year. And they did it by playing balls to the wall football and never letting up. Peterson seems to get his team super motivated for these kinds of games. And they stay with you for a full 60 minutes. So I think no matter how much they get rattled by the TCU defense, they'll keep coming at them. My concern with TCU is making mistakes. Against good defenses they tend to make mistakes. They had 5 turnovers against OU. And the two interceptions they threw against Utah was costly. And they only managed to score 10 points against both of those teams. Something else that Boise does different than OU or Utah does is they will throw a bunch of different formations at you, and line up players in positions that you normally wouldn't see them in. It makes it very confusing on even the best defenses. So Patterson has his work cut out for him in preparing for this team. It's true that except for Oregon that Boise really hasn't been tested. But they've also done everything they are suppose to do against inferior competetion. So it's hard for me to say many negative things about Boise. They are a well coached well disciplined team. It doesn't mean TCU won't get the win here. But I think it's going down to the wire either way.

ND & GS........good info fellas.....at first I was all over TCU...but the more this game sits in my stomach.....and the more I look at it from various angles, the more I think Boise wins outright.

I am on Boise +3

BOL everyone....

 

[GoSooners]

ND & GS........good info fellas.....at first I was all over TCU...but the more this game sits in my stomach.....and the more I look at it from various angles, the more I think Boise wins outright.

I am on Boise +3

BOL everyone....

fballplaya...I don't want you to get me wrong on this game. It still concerns me with the kind of team that Boise is. But I think that TCU is still the play or nothing in this game. I'm not fond of giving 3 points in what will probably be a low scoring defensive game. But I will NOT play against a trifecta team (better rushing numbers, defense and SOS) under any circumstances. These kinds of teams have an outstanding record in these bowls year after year. And I believe their record was 5-0 in last year's bowls. I was just telling ND that I had that same kind of funny feeling about this game. But I very seldom will play a team on feelings alone. I need to have a good reason for picking them. The bottom line here is the public is on TCU because they think Boise is a paper tiger. And although we aren't 100% sure of this, the fact that Boise has had a relatively easy schedule combined with returning only 12 starters off of a 10-3 team kind of backs up the public perception. We still have to keep in mind that the bottom line with TCU is their only two losses came to BCS Bowl teams on the road. And one of those games they should have won. So you really have to look at the full picture here instead of just acting on feelings. And you have to look at it this way sometimes, the public isn't always wrong. If they were the betting gods would never call them back for more action...BOL

 

[GoSooners]

TCU (-3) over Boise State **
I'm not going to spend a lot of moolah on this game. But I do think TCU is the right side based on their numbers of being the best running team, best defense and having the best SOS. I think what should win this game for TCU is defense. Boise simply hasn't seen a world class defense this year. Probably the two best defenses that they've played all season was San Jose St. and Hawaii. And those teams held Boise to 33 and 27 points. I guarantee you that TCU is much better. And they have a BCS conference caliber defense that is probaly tops in the nation with USC's. I had an up close view of this defense when they played my team the Sooners. OU had some early success in the passing game on this team. But TCU just about completely shut OU's offense down in the second half. And the Sooners basically didn't have a sustained drive all day. All of their scoring was by the big pass play. You have to put this in perspective. OU is the best offensive team in the country. And TCU held them to 35 points in Norman. Since that game, no team has scored more than 14 points on TCU. Unless you think that Boise has the same caliber of offense as OU, I don't see them putting up many points on Patterson and this defense, who has been gameplanning the Boise offense for the last 4 weeks. Boise is a well coached team. And after getting upset in their bowl game last year to East Carolina, I'm sure they are going to come out highly motivated in this game. But they are going up against a defense that will have some players on the line playing on Sunday's. My feeling is they are going to have the same problems the other 12 teams had against TCU. They won't physically be able to beat them in the trenches. In my opinion TCU should be playing in a BCS bowl. The only two games they've lost is to two BCS bowl teams on the road. And we all know that they did everything but beat one of those teams, and should be 11-1 instead of 10-2. And playing in January instead of December. Boise is a very game team who plays the entire 60 minutes. This won't be any easy game for TCU, because I can't remember the last time Boise got blown out by any non-BCS conference team. This game scares me a little. But when all is said and done, my bet is it's going to be too much defense and running game for Boise to stay with for a full game.

 

[bigwillokc]

I've posted this elsewhere, but i think it will get the most response here...

Does anyone else remember that TCU kicker missing two game winning fieldgoals against Utah that were less than 35 yards? Does that not make anyone else nervous considering the line is a fieldgoal?

 

[ar182]

excellent stuff gs....really enjoyed reading this thread...

just to add why i think tcu is the side in this game....

if you just look at the respective lines of both teams, it seems to me that tcu has a decided edge....

the offensive line for tcu averages out to 311 lbs....while the defensive line for boise averages 260 lbs...that is a 40 lbs difference & i think the tcu line will wear out the boise defense as the game goes on...

on the other side of the ball...the boise offensive line averages 285 lbs...while the defensive line for tcu averages out at 269 lbs....that's a 16 lbs difference & i think the tcu defensive line will be able to hold it's own...

also the boise team is built for speed to play on the carpet of their field & this game is being played on grass where i think a lot of boise advantage's will be neutalized.....

anyway that is how i see it....

good luck

 

[Duce15]

gs, a couple of questions:

1) what schemes has the ou coaching staff changed since the loss to texas?
2) you say you like the matchup between the ou o-line vs the florida d-line. Really? If the ou line couldn't protect bradford in the cotton bowl, how are they going to protect him against a much better and faster florida line/ linebackers? I believe, along with others, that the ou o-line is vastly overrated, and quite honestly, fat and slow. When you put extremely athletic players across from them, bad things can and will happen, a la texas at the cotton bowl. Also, something to seriously consider is, who is officiating this game? The big 12 was outwardly known for letting holding calls go all season. This could come back to bite not only ou, but the big 12 as a whole come bowl games. This is not to be overlooked.
3) oklahoma ooked far from mentally tough in the cotton bowl, and that was only half of a hostile environment. What's shown you that this team has the mental toughness to play well in a, as you say, hostile sec crowd? Maybe you're counting the ok. State game? What other game did they play in that had a hostile environment besides the cotton bowl, and, what tough game did they play in this season against a highly ranked team, away from home, besides texas? Thanks and bol this bowl season!

you my friend are truely an idiot.....let the texas game go...ya'll suck deal with it

 

[Duce15]

gs, if i didn't have the avatar next to my name, would you still not answer the questions? These are all valid questions. Gs, i've been asking you these questions for a week now and you've failed to answer them for some reason, or for that matter, failed to acknowledge them. Why? Because of my avatar? Your breakdown of the florida defense and how ou will exploit them makes no sense, due to how texas dominated ou's offensive line. Florida's d-line is tons better than texas, along with their linebacking core. Look at the questions again. If you don't want to answer because it isn't good news for your team, so be it. Ou's gonna get mudholed for these exact reasons. Or if you don't want to because you don't have a bet on the game, that's okay too. We usually have great, open discussions on all games, but because some idiots think there's "bitterness", we're not going to have open discussions on the national championship? Sounds silly. Bol all. And gs, you say you're not gonna talk about a game that happened two months ago, yet you freely bring up florida's loss to ole miss? That seemed quite a while back too? Just sayin'......

your the only dumbass bitch that keeps bringing up the ou/texas game. Thats like yalls superbowl. You are still the same douchebag that i was dealing with a month ago. Good luck against the pac 10 dick

 

[thatoneguy]

your the only dumbass bitch that keeps bringing up the ou/texas game. Thats like yalls superbowl. You are still the same douchebag that i was dealing with a month ago. Good luck against the pac 10 dick

Wow, at least I chase your bitch ass around because you owe me money and won't pay. Why exactly are you constantly chasing around this guy? You don't like how brings up the tex/ou game? I understand you have tons of time on your hands because you don't use it to pay your debts, but this is how you use it? That's almost as pathetic as your ridiculous lack of honor.

 

[jblonghorn]

your the only dumbass bitch that keeps bringing up the ou/texas game. Thats like yalls superbowl. You are still the same douchebag that i was dealing with a month ago. Good luck against the pac 10 dick

I didn't know we were playing a PAC-10 team? Weird. Go pay your debts you loser. Even your kids don't like you.

 

[jblonghorn]

What about the over for the TCU game? Seems like a solid bet? 45.5 points is nothing for these two teams, especially w/ TCU's defensive leader being academically inelegible as of today. Thoughts?

 

[AlwaysKeen]

let's do it with Patterson's crew...hated being against you last night...

 

[jblonghorn]

let's do it with Patterson's crew...hated being against you last night...

Pags, do you post your plays somewhere?

 

[GoSooners]

What about the over for the TCU game? Seems like a solid bet? 45.5 points is nothing for these two teams, especially w/ TCU's defensive leader being academically inelegible as of today. Thoughts?

A numbers expert that I confided in says there is no value with this total. Both teams are good on offense. And both are good on defense. So your pretty much flipping a coin with this total.

 

[GoSooners]

let's do it with Patterson's crew...hated being against you last night...

Nice hit last night buddy. I know the game had your ass puckering a little bit. It was a pretty frustrating game to watch if you were on the losing end. But hey, you win a few close ones and you lose a few close ones. I figured I got lucky the other day with the Wake win. So it was kind of like the gambling gods giveth and the gambling gods taketh away. I've gone through it a million times during bowl season. And you know like I do not to get too high or too low for these games. Just keep everything in perspective and shake it off, and hope you come out ahead after the 34 games have been played.. I don't think we talked about the TCU/Boise game the other day. But I'm glad your on the same side with the Froggies. BOL to us both tomorrow.:toast:

 

[echamp76]

GL tomorrow guys, thinking about the TCU BSU game a bit more, this game I think will boil down to red zone offense. I don't think either team will be all that effective. What scares me the most about TCU is that their will be tons of pressure on the Frogs offense due to the showing of their kicker in the last game. With that being said I am going to take the under. Good luck with the frogs but I don't want to have my cash riding on their kicker.

 

[GoSooners]

GL tomorrow guys, thinking about the TCU BSU game a bit more, this game I think will boil down to red zone offense. I don't think either team will be all that effective. What scares me the most about TCU is that their will be tons of pressure on the Frogs offense due to the showing of their kicker in the last game. With that being said I am going to take the under. Good luck with the frogs but I don't want to have my cash riding on their kicker.

Well, if I had a choice I would probably lean to the under. Keep in mind though that statistically Utah's defense is better than Boise. And I think Utah has played better offenses overall than Boise. TCU had 416 yards of total offense against Utah. I think they can do the same against Boise. Nobody is saying much about TCU's offense. But they are averaging over 30 ppg. I know TCU's redzone offense wasn't very good against Utah. But I'm not so sure that Boise will have much success against TCU either. I had my notes on the OU/TCU game, and the Sooners only scored 1 TD inside the redzone all day. It took the long ball by Bradford and those receivers to get the job done. And I guarantee you neither Boise QB or their WR's are in the class of the Sooners. Speed kills. And I don't think Boise has anywhere near the overall team speed as OU. My feeling is that Boise will have some mild success passing the ball. But they won't be able to run it on TCU. Nobody else has been able to. Including OU, who had only 25 yards rushing on 36 carries...Ouch!

 

[echamp76]

I see what you are saying, I tend to think though that the time off between the regular season and the bowl games is better for the defenses then the offenses. I think BSU has had at least 3 weeks off and I don't think TCU has played since the Utah game. I think it will take a bit for the offenses to get their timing back and BSU may not get their timing back at all with all the pressure TCU will bring. TCU should keep this game on the ground, wathcing Dalton throw the ball isn't a thing of beauty at all.

 

[GoSooners]

excellent stuff gs....really enjoyed reading this thread...

just to add why i think tcu is the side in this game....

if you just look at the respective lines of both teams, it seems to me that tcu has a decided edge....

the offensive line for tcu averages out to 311 lbs....while the defensive line for boise averages 260 lbs...that is a 40 lbs difference & i think the tcu line will wear out the boise defense as the game goes on...

on the other side of the ball...the boise offensive line averages 285 lbs...while the defensive line for tcu averages out at 269 lbs....that's a 16 lbs difference & i think the tcu defensive line will be able to hold it's own...

also the boise team is built for speed to play on the carpet of their field & this game is being played on grass where i think a lot of boise advantage's will be neutalized.....

anyway that is how i see it....

good luck

Boise will be a little out of their element playing on grass turf. But i think this team is going to be more shocked at how good the TCU defense is. Since the OU game, TCU has only alowed 12 TD's in the other 11 games. I've seen this TCU defense up close. And they are very physical. And their front 7 is almost impossible to move around. They really hold their positions well. They are a very tough minded team. And they play and think like a BCS team. That's why they aren't afraid to go play the Texas and OU's every year. They think they can compete with anybody. So there isn't anything about Boise that's going to scare this team. Believe me.

 

[GoSooners]

Bowl plays:


Wake Forest (-3) over Navy ** (Win)
BYU (+3) over Arizona ** (Loss)
Nebraska-Clemson (OVER 55.5) **
NCST-Rutgers (OVER 53) **
NCST (+9) over Rutgers **
Western Michigan (+3) over Rice **
Memphis-South Florida (OVER 53) ** (Win)
Colorado St. (+2.5) over Fresno ** (Win)
Troy (-4) over Southern Miss ** (Loss)
TCU (-3) over Boise State **


Good luck to all of the Frog backers tonight.