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First, GS - love your information and insight. I like to cap my own games, so I don't just follow anybody blindly, but reading your threads have made me a better capper and more info and insight is always good. Good luck to you and look forward to all your posts.

JB - We all know you love your Longhorns and all, but please stop posting this in every single thread you post in. I seen you and GS argue the same points in about 10+ threads now. You have made many threads on it just for that subject. There is a saying "Don't hate the player, hate the game" in this case, hate the BCS, not Oklahoma. One team had to go and Oklahoma played the (BCS) game just a little better. I got my idea of how to fix the BCS, but this ain't my thread.

GS, back to capping, love your Oklahoma pick. Mizzou ain't the same team since Okie St. showed the blueprint on how to stop that offense. Balance is the only way to try to keep up with Oklahoma and Mizzou just doesn't have it.
 

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First, GS - love your information and insight. I like to cap my own games, so I don't just follow anybody blindly, but reading your threads have made me a better capper and more info and insight is always good. Good luck to you and look forward to all your posts.

JB - We all know you love your Longhorns and all, but please stop posting this in every single thread you post in. I seen you and GS argue the same points in about 10+ threads now. You have made many threads on it just for that subject. There is a saying "Don't hate the player, hate the game" in this case, hate the BCS, not Oklahoma. One team had to go and Oklahoma played the (BCS) game just a little better. I got my idea of how to fix the BCS, but this ain't my thread.

GS, back to capping, love your Oklahoma pick. Mizzou ain't the same team since Okie St. showed the blueprint on how to stop that offense. Balance is the only way to try to keep up with Oklahoma and Mizzou just doesn't have it.
Thanks man. I appreciate the kind words. I hope we're right on Oklahoma. Flashes of 2003 keep coming back to me when I think of this game. You know, the year that OU was a couple TD favorite in the Big 12 CG and OU's offense was declared by ESPN to be the greatest of all time (cough cough). And the Sooners players bought into all of the hype. But somebody forgot to give Kansas State the memo, and Darren Sproles ran through our defense that night like it was Iowa State's. And that alltime greatest offense was held to 7 points. I hope the Sooners have their heads screwed on straight for this game or else Texas is going to have some happy campers come Saturday night. One big difference between that Kansas State team and Missouri. That team had a hell of a defense and was on a 6 game winning streak when they played OU. Missouri seems like kind of a mess right now. The Tigers are a crazy team. I had them christened the team to beat in the Big 12 early in the season after they killed Nebraska 52-17. And I gladly gave 14 points the next week to OSU in which the Tigers promply fell on their faces, and then the next week got lit up for 56 points against Texas. Man, your weaknesses come out fast when you face stiff competetion...By the way welcome to the RX and BOL this week..
 

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First, GS - love your information and insight. I like to cap my own games, so I don't just follow anybody blindly, but reading your threads have made me a better capper and more info and insight is always good. Good luck to you and look forward to all your posts.

JB - We all know you love your Longhorns and all, but please stop posting this in every single thread you post in. I seen you and GS argue the same points in about 10+ threads now. You have made many threads on it just for that subject. There is a saying "Don't hate the player, hate the game" in this case, hate the BCS, not Oklahoma. One team had to go and Oklahoma played the (BCS) game just a little better. I got my idea of how to fix the BCS, but this ain't my thread.

GS, back to capping, love your Oklahoma pick. Mizzou ain't the same team since Okie St. showed the blueprint on how to stop that offense. Balance is the only way to try to keep up with Oklahoma and Mizzou just doesn't have it.

Krnboy, We're having gentlemanly discussions, so shush up. If and when GS tells me to stop messing his thread up, I'll gladly do so. This is about the only spot a Sooner and a Longhorn can have a discussion on the subject. Sooners are known to rip Longhorn's ballsacks off if they have discussions in a bar, so I definitely won't do it there :) .

GS, you don't think it's worth a small play on the Mizzou ML? They're bound to be +400ish? And also, you're not worried about losing Box? The thing I don't understand about either Tech or Okie Lite was that neither ever tried to expose the middle of OU's defense (with short routes)? If Maclin was a bit more healthy, this game could be scary if only for that reason. BTW, Colt's been breaking down gamefilm with Chase for 1-3 hours a night on teleconference, and Mushcamp's been consulting w/ the Mizzou defense. Can't hurt anything. I'm feeling as if this is a bit like the 1st Big 12 Championship (TX vs Neb). Huge underdog playing huge chalk w/ Nat'l Championship on the line. hmmmmm, we can dream, can't we????
 

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This story somehow got started on some Austin message boards. It is not accurate.

Colt admitted it on a national radio interview with Colin Cowherd. Now maybe the amount of time is not accurate, but he has indeed been talking to Chase. Chase even said so in his news conference. I don't think it'll do a whole hell of a lot, but being able to talk to the only QB that's beat the Sooners, gashed them both running and throwing actually, can't be a bad thing. They're buddies anyway. Chase's running ability is underrated. If he'd stop eating all those boogers, he'd be even faster :nono5:
 

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McCoy and Daniel have been friends for a long time and have talked regularly throughout their college days. They supposedly had about an hourlong conversation Sunday talking about, among other things, McCoy's disappointment at the tiebreaking procedure that left Texas in the cold. They quite likely talked about how it is to play OU, but it's much more on a friend-to-friend level than anything formal.

A coach consulting with another team definitely wouldn't happen for a number of reasons -- forget ethical reasons and possible rules violations, but no coaching staff is going to bring in someone and give them an inside look at how their offense works knowing they have to play that same coach's team the very next season.
 

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Dr. Bob's writeup

GS, I'm going to post Dr. Bob's writeup for the OU game, as it might very well help everyone in the discussion of the Big 12 Championship game. I thought I've read that you think the line is a bit high? Maybe it wasn't you? Anyhow, that's about what Bob says. BTW, I've never seen him write such a long analysis with no best bet to go with it. I disagree with his assesment though, as I really thing that if OU wins, it'll be by 30+ points, HOWEVER, if it's close, I don't see Missouri losing a close game. The fumble and turnover part is truly interesting, as every single bounce of the ball has gone the Sooners way (maybe I'm wrong, as you watch more sooner football than I)? Give me your thoughts on his writeup:

<TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD>Oklahoma (-16.5) 45 Missouri 35 (at Kansas City)
05:00 PM Pacific Time Saturday, Dec-06 - Stats Matchup
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=s2>I lost my Best Bet on Oklahoma State as a dog against Oklahoma last week, but I still think it was a pretty good bet. After all, Oklahoma State averaged 7.1 yards per play and scored almost every time they didn’t turn the ball over (they punted just twice, but turned the ball over twice while Oklahoma had zero turnovers) while Oklahoma averaged 6.8 yppl and would have averaged 5.9 yppl if not for a 73 yard TD pass that was initially broken up by the Cowboys before miraculously landing in the hands of an Oklahoma receiver 15 yards down the field with a clear path to the endzone. Now the Sooners are a 16 ½ point favorite over a good Missouri team, which is a line that simply can’t be justified. Oklahoma has an outstanding offense that has averaged 7.2 yppl and 53 points per game against Division 1A opponents and the Sooners rate at 2.2 yppl better than average with quarterback Sam Bradford under center. Missouri’s defense is 0.3 yppl better than average, which is the same as the average of teams that Oklahoma has faced this season, so the Sooners should average around their standard 7.3 yppl in this game. Oklahoma’s defense, however, has been susceptible to good offensive teams this season and Missouri’s offense is the best that they have seen. The Tigers have averaged 7.3 yppl in 11 games against 1A competition (against teams that would allow 5.4 yppl to an average team) and their +1.9 yppl rating is almost as good as Oklahoma’s rating. Oklahoma’s defense, like Missouri’s defense, is 0.3 yppl better than average and the Sooners have allowed an average of 34 points to good offensive teams Texas, Nebraska, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State – and Missouri’s offense is better than all of those teams. The Sooners overall advantage from the line of scrimmage in this game is just 0.3 yppl – which works out to about 2 points with all else being equal. All else is not equal, however, as Oklahoma turns yards into points better than any team in the nation. Part of the reason for that is a +22 turnover margin, which is partly due to skill (Bradford has thrown just 6 interceptions this season) and partly due to luck, as the Soooners have only lost 2 fumbles all season while recovering 14 fumbles in 11 games against division 1 foes. Fumbles are 90% random in college football, so Oklahoma has been pretty fortunate to be +12 in fumble margin, which works out to about 4 points per game. Another reason for Oklahoma’s higher scoring efficiency is their incredibly good success rate on 3rd and 4th downs and the Sooners converted two 4th downs into touchdowns last week rather than settling for two field goals. One area where Oklahoma is not good is in special teams, as the Sooners have allowed 4 kick off return touchdowns this season, which could be a problem against Missouri’s Jeremy Maclin in this game. My math model projects Oklahoma with a 573 yards to 494 yards advantage and a +0.9 turnover advantage, which would result in about a 9 point margin even without factoring in special teams, which favor Missouri. My math model has a tendency to underestimate Oklahoma a bit since they score at a higher efficiency than a normal team would given the same yardage and turnover numbers. With that being the case I decided to run a model based on compensated points and adjusted for random events such as the Sooners’ +12 in fumble margin, and I got Oklahoma by 9 points with a total of 79 ½ points. Even if Oklahoma is their normal +1 in fumble margin that model would still favor the Sooners by only 12 points. Another way to look at the math using only points is to use margin of victory averages and schedule strengths. Oklahoma played a schedule of Division 1A teams that is 7.0 points better than average and they out-scored those teams by 26.1 points per game, which makes them +33.1 points better than average based purely on scoring. Missouri faced a schedule of 1A teams that is 4.1 points better than average and the Tigers out-scored those teams by an average of 17.8 points, which makes them +21.9 points better than average based purely on points. The difference in those point margin ratings is 11.2 points. But, that assumes that Oklahoma will be +2 in turnover margin in this game (since they average +1.9 in turnovers while Missouri averaged -0.2 in TO margin), which is very unlikely since past fumbles don’t correlate very highly with future fumbles and a big part of Oklahoma’s turnover margin is their +1.1 in fumbles. That prediction also assumes that the Sooners will continue to covert visits to the redzone into touchdowns at an 87% rate, which is also unlikely (Missouri has a great offense and they are at 72% touchdown rate in redzone visits, which is outstanding). So, Oklahoma should still only be favored by 11 points in this game even if the Sooners are as fortunate with turnovers and redzone scoring as they’ve been. The line on this game should be 9 points and 16 ½ points is simply way too high regardless of what kind of math you do, so Missouri is clearly the percentage side to take in this game. My only hesitation is a 14-0 ATS situation that I discovered when I was querying how teams that have scored 50 points or more in 3 or more consecutive games tend to do in their next game. The answer is as follows. Teams that have scored 50 points or more in 3 or more consecutive games are 14-0 ATS laying 21 points or less (or getting points) against a conference opponent that played the previous week. That is the only thing keeping me from making Missouri a Best Bet in this game and I’m still close to pulling the trigger on this game even with that trend favoring the Sooners. I’ll consider Missouri a Strong Opinion at +14 ½ points or more based on the line value.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 

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McCoy and Daniel have been friends for a long time and have talked regularly throughout their college days. They supposedly had about an hourlong conversation Sunday talking about, among other things, McCoy's disappointment at the tiebreaking procedure that left Texas in the cold. They quite likely talked about how it is to play OU, but it's much more on a friend-to-friend level than anything formal.

A coach consulting with another team definitely wouldn't happen for a number of reasons -- forget ethical reasons and possible rules violations, but no coaching staff is going to bring in someone and give them an inside look at how their offense works knowing they have to play that same coach's team the very next season.

YAA, are you kidding me? You're telling me you don't think this happens? Muschamp has also been talking with the Alabama coaching staff all week as well, as he has a high disdain for Urban Meyer, and there was only 1 coach in the SEC who stopped them last year (Muschamp). Believe me, it happens all the time, and it's happening this week. Best of luck this weekend.
 

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YAA, are you kidding me? You're telling me you don't think this happens? Muschamp has also been talking with the Alabama coaching staff all week as well, as he has a high disdain for Urban Meyer, and there was only 1 coach in the SEC who stopped them last year (Muschamp). Believe me, it happens all the time, and it's happening this week. Best of luck this weekend.

Coaches and players from around the country talk all the time. But a phone call and a general discussion is a long way from getting into formal scheme and/or game planning. I can say that is definitely not going on.
 

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Krnboy, We're having gentlemanly discussions, so shush up. If and when GS tells me to stop messing his thread up, I'll gladly do so. This is about the only spot a Sooner and a Longhorn can have a discussion on the subject. Sooners are known to rip Longhorn's ballsacks off if they have discussions in a bar, so I definitely won't do it there :) .

GS, you don't think it's worth a small play on the Mizzou ML? They're bound to be +400ish? And also, you're not worried about losing Box? The thing I don't understand about either Tech or Okie Lite was that neither ever tried to expose the middle of OU's defense (with short routes)? If Maclin was a bit more healthy, this game could be scary if only for that reason. BTW, Colt's been breaking down gamefilm with Chase for 1-3 hours a night on teleconference, and Mushcamp's been consulting w/ the Mizzou defense. Can't hurt anything. I'm feeling as if this is a bit like the 1st Big 12 Championship (TX vs Neb). Huge underdog playing huge chalk w/ Nat'l Championship on the line. hmmmmm, we can dream, can't we????
jb...I'm not going to tell you not to play Missouri on the ML. But you can rest assured I'm not. As for OU missing Box. I don't know. All I can tell you is they played three quarters without him in the OSU game. And once OU's defense made adjustements they caused OSU two straight 3 and outs in the 4th quarter and they didn't score in the last 10 minutes of that game. And it really doesn't make any difference to me if Chase Daniel was studying game film with McCoy. Missouri will have their success on offense. It's their defense that needs to study their game film. Especially after giving up 40 points to Kansas.
 

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By the way the 34 points per game that Dr. Bob said OU gave up to the teams above isn't what he thinks. He doesn't mention that many of those points were junk points. Stoops said the other day that in the Nebraska, Texas Tech, and Texas A&M games the second units defense played the entire 4th quarters of those games. And that's when each of the teams added a couple TD's a piece to make their score look better than it was. So Dr. Bobby is misleading people a little bit there, or he just didn't watch the games.
 

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Alabama-Florida (UNDER 52) *
My first thought about this game was to take the over. But taking a closer look I see that Bama has only given up an average of 23.5 points a game against the three best offenses in the SEC (LSU, Georgia, Ole Miss). These teams all average a little over 30 ppg. Now granted Florida's offense is better than those three. But my best guess is they are probably in reality no more than 7 to 10 points better on offense per game than those teams, although their offensive average is a little more than that number. But turnovers give Florida a higher scoring average. I'll get to that later.. So assuming that Florida scores 7-10 more points than those teams and gets about 31 points here, it means Bama will have to score around 22 to beat me. Also keep in mind that only one team has scored over 21 points on Bama all year. And that was the 30 points that Georgia had after Bama was blowing them out at halftime. So I think Florida scoring no more than around 31 points is a good possibilty. Bama is averaging about 31 points per game on offense against teams with much inferior defenses to Florida. So you have to assume their offensive average goes down for this game. Bama has scored 48 TD's this season. But only 40 of them were actually scored by their offense. The other TD's came via turnovers and probably to a small extent special teams. Bama has a very good turnover margin of (+9). But the problem here is their playing a Florda team who is second in the nation to OU in turnover margin (+18). Florida has scored 64 TD's on the year. But their offense has just scored 58 TD's. The rest is from turnovers/special teams. So what we have is two teams who are good at protecting the ball and probably aren't going to be giving each other very many easy scores. If one fourth of Bama's points are coming by turnovers this year, you can probably automatically knock a pretty sizable number off of their average score, along with playing the best defense that they've faced this year. Same goes for Florida, who has been great at causing turnovers and getting short fields and easy scores... But Bama is a very sound team who likes to run the ball and don't fumble. So I just don't see very many points coming easy for either team in what should be an intense SEC battle. I like the under for a small play.
 

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This is what I have so far:

OU (-16.5) over Missouri **
Cincinnati (-7) over Hawaii **
Boston College (PK) over Va Tech **
Alabama-Florida (UNDER 52) *
 

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By the way the 34 points per game that Dr. Bob said OU gave up to the teams above isn't what he thinks. He doesn't mention that many of those points were junk points. Stoops said the other day that in the Nebraska, Texas Tech, and Texas A&M games the second units defense played the entire 4th quarters of those games. And that's when each of the teams added a couple TD's a piece to make their score look better than it was. So Dr. Bobby is misleading people a little bit there, or he just didn't watch the games.

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Of course we might balance that out with how many of OU's offensive points were scored with the starting offense up double digits late in the 4th quarter, no?
 

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Sooners .........wanted to stop in an thank you for your weekly efforts ........not only do you take the time to post your plays ...
you somehow find the time to answer every question asked to you . your a true asset here.
Bol the rest of the way
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Of course we might balance that out with how many of OU's offensive points were scored with the starting offense up double digits late in the 4th quarter, no?
Exactly....And something many people may not know is Dr.Bob doesn't watch college football. He said that one time in an interview that I saw. So he doesn't have any idea how many players a coach substitiutes. Or what key player gets hurt during a game that might affect it. All he has to work with is the final numbers from a game. In a competetive game his numbers might be a good indicator of that team. But in a blowout the numbers can be very deceiving. I've actually seen a stat sheet the next day where the losing team that got blown out by 30 points actually have more yards than the winning team. But what it doesn't tell you is how or when they got their yards. It pays to watch football games. Some of my best and biggest plays that I've won this year have come strictly from watching the teams play the previous week or weeks.
 

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Sooners .........wanted to stop in an thank you for your weekly efforts ........not only do you take the time to post your plays ...
you somehow find the time to answer every question asked to you . your a true asset here.
Bol the rest of the way
Douglas
I appreciate it. And it's my pleasure. BOL tomorrow. :toast:
 

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Exactly....And something many people may not know is Dr.Bob doesn't watch college football. He said that one time in an interview that I saw. So he doesn't have any idea how many players a coach substitiutes. Or what key player gets hurt during a game that might affect it. All he has to work with is the final numbers from a game. In a competetive game his numbers might be a good indicator of that team. But in a blowout the numbers can be very deceiving. I've actually seen a stat sheet the next day where the losing team that got blown out by 30 points actually have more yards than the winning team. But what it doesn't tell you is how or when they got their yards. It pays to watch football games. Some of my best and biggest plays that I've won this year have come strictly from watching the teams play the previous week or weeks.


I know Dr Bob takes out certain stats when games are blowouts (garbage time) but you are right. So much can be learned from actually watching games live or even recorded and watched later.

As long as you mute the announcers and form your own opinions.
 

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