GoSooners Big 12 Plays Of The Week For 12-6

[clutch]

Maybe we can also just scrap conference records all together and just use BCS rankings.

How about if Oklahoma was 0-4 OOC and 8-0 in conference and Texas was 4-0 OOC and 7-1 in conference.

Oklahoma 8-4 overall and Texas 11-1 overall.

Conferences are won inside conference play.

Wins OOC are excluded from conference records, why should they determine conference tiebreakers?

 

[jblonghorn]

There's no way on god's green earth that Texas should be knocked for their OOC schedule this season. Everyone seems to forget the stretch of games that Texas played in the middle of the season that very well might go down as the hardest 4 game stretch in modern day college football history (#1, #8, #4, #3). When you add in an SEC team that we played, you tell me which coach is gonna call up another SEC team to schedule? Give me a freaking break. Are you gonna tell me that OU knew that Cinci was going to be this good? No, you can't. They scheduled them 4 years ago, and was scheduled as is any other "pre season" game, because they sucked. You do know, if Colorado beats Nebraska and Mizzou beats Kansas last weekend, Texas very well could've been playing this weekend, and this bullshit of strength of schedule would be a moot point. Once again, you're telling me that Bob Stoops wouldn't have been touting the "we just played the hardest 4 game stretch in college football history, yet people want us to play more ranked teams" card? I don't think so. It's not as much the system that's pissed UT fans off down here as it is Stoops' dumbass news conference spouting off how he took the high road that afternoon. Are you kidding me? I'm just not a believer in the "we had the harder schedule" bullshit. That's overrated. I absolutely 100% agree with 99% of the coaches in this country that don't want to add a possible loss in the "pre-season". It's stupid to do that. What's the point? Go into conference play undefeated, because if you don't, you're screwed. Can't wish you any luck this week. Mizzou moneyline is the play.

Yes, I'm still incredibly pissed off about Stoops' actions and remarks. Karma, it's a bitch....

 

[GoSooners]

So if USC and Oregon St were tied (if Oregon St had won LW) and Oregon St beat them head to head, you think USC should go to the Rose bowl?

I think the highest rated BCS team should go. What it comes down to in the end is your conference getting a team in the BCS title game. Who do you think is going to have a better chance to get there, a 3 loss team that you picked to win your conference or a one loss team that lost a head to head on the road early in the season? Maybe the Pac-10 and Big 10 should have a playoff at the end of the season between it's top two teams. My money would still be on USC and Penn State.

 

[trentmoney]

GS-

good luck with your sooners this week...i have a future on OU to win B12 @ +210 so i'm rooting with you this week!! if it wasn't for the computers neither one of us would be in this position... as for the spread, i think it's a bit of an overlay, but as i told my friend last week who wanted to take the pts, it's not a good idea to play against OU or UF at this point...

:toast:

 

[jbragg10]

good luck.
I'm loving Oklahoma this week

 

[GoSooners]

There's no way on god's green earth that Texas should be knocked for their OOC schedule this season. Everyone seems to forget the stretch of games that Texas played in the middle of the season that very well might go down as the hardest 4 game stretch in modern day college football history (#1, #8, #4, #3). When you add in an SEC team that we played, you tell me which coach is gonna call up another SEC team to schedule? Give me a freaking break. Are you gonna tell me that OU knew that Cinci was going to be this good? No, you can't. They scheduled them 4 years ago, and was scheduled as is any other "pre season" game, because they sucked. You do know, if Colorado beats Nebraska and Mizzou beats Kansas last weekend, Texas very well could've been playing this weekend, and this bullshit of strength of schedule would be a moot point. Once again, you're telling me that Bob Stoops wouldn't have been touting the "we just played the hardest 4 game stretch in college football history, yet people want us to play more ranked teams" card? I don't think so. It's not as much the system that's pissed UT fans off down here as it is Stoops' dumbass news conference spouting off how he took the high road that afternoon. Are you kidding me? I'm just not a believer in the "we had the harder schedule" bullshit. That's overrated. I absolutely 100% agree with 99% of the coaches in this country that don't want to add a possible loss in the "pre-season". It's stupid to do that. What's the point? Go into conference play undefeated, because if you don't, you're screwed. Can't wish you any luck this week. Mizzou moneyline is the play.

Yes, I'm still incredibly pissed off about Stoops' actions and remarks. Karma, it's a bitch....

jb...I'm really not sure what your talking about with Stoops. He had his say about it early last week and then said he didn't want to talk about the BCS again. ESPN/ABC tried to get him to talk about it at halftime of their game with OSU and he refused to talk about it. The only thing I heard in that game was Mack Brown giving his 5 minute info-mercial on why Texas belonged there. I'm sorry you feel this way. But Texas didn't have as good of an SOS as OU did this year. Do I think Texas should deserves to go over OU...Yes I do based on their head to head win over OU. Do I think Texas Tech deserves to go? Yes i do based on their head to head win over Texas. Do I think OU deserves to go? Yes, based on their head to head win over Texas Tech. And I could add that OU has an argument that they have the best true road win of the three withtheir win over OSU. This is basically what I was saying about the BCS. If you don't want to play their game, plan on suffering the consequences. As for OU's schedule, no they probably didn't know Cincy was going to be that good. But they also didn't think Washington was going to be that bad. How many teams out there schedule two BCS conference teams in their on-conference schedule. There's only a handful of teams that do it. USC and Colorado are the only other two teams that come to mind. But OU has followed a formula of consistenly scheduling every year either a very good mid level team along with a BCS team, or two BCS teams every year under Stoops. And if people don't get that this is the way you play the BCS game then I can't help them. Don't blame Stoops for playing the BCS game. He just knows what is best to give his team an opportunity at the end of the season to make it to a BCS bowl game. It's going to mean some tough games and possible OOC losses, like Oregon a couple years ago. And I think OU has to go to Miami next year. But I admire him and AD Casiglione for taking that risk every year for giving them their best chance. jb, I think you directing your anger at the wrong person and team when blaming Stoops.

 

[bigwillokc]

WHY NOT TAKE OKLAHOMA 1st HALF? Its the most obvious play and has cashed for me every time I have played it (stayed away from bedlam game altogether), but you don't have to worry about starters being out, junk time, or last second hail marys to back door your play. OU first half has been a strong play all year and in this game it will be 10 points or less. Seems like easy money once again to me even at 14. Just my .02

 

[clutch]

I think the highest rated BCS team should go. What it comes down to in the end is your conference getting a team in the BCS title game. Who do you think is going to have a better chance to get there, a 3 loss team that you picked to win your conference or a one loss team that lost a head to head on the road early in the season? Maybe the Pac-10 and Big 10 should have a playoff at the end of the season between it's top two teams. My money would still be on USC and Penn State.

If USC had 2 in conference losses, they would still be higher than Oregon St with 1 loss in conference.

If Oregon St won the Pac 10 outright but USC was higher ranked and would more appealing, do you take them?


Also Texas played a much tougher IN CONFERENCE SCHEDULE.

They played Missouri. Oklahoma and TTech didn't.

In the round robin between the 3, Texas had away/neutral while TTech had home/away and Okla had home/neutral.

Between the 3 Oklahoma didnt play a true road game and Texas did not play a game at home.

 

[GoSooners]

GS-

good luck with your sooners this week...i have a future on OU to win B12 @ +210 so i'm rooting with you this week!! if it wasn't for the computers neither one of us would be in this position... as for the spread, i think it's a bit of an overlay, but as i told my friend last week who wanted to take the pts, it's not a good idea to play against OU or UF at this point...

:toast:

Trent...I had two futures plays with OU. Over 10.5 wins on the regular season and a BCS Championship +800. I agree, the computers are what saved OU. Luckily the computers don't have emotions and listen to ESPN!. I agree with you about not playing against OU or Florida. I like Bama this week, but Florida just plain scares me. So I probably won't play the game. GL

 

[GoSooners]

WHY NOT TAKE OKLAHOMA 1st HALF? Its the most obvious play and has cashed for me every time I have played it (stayed away from bedlam game altogether), but you don't have to worry about starters being out, junk time, or last second hail marys to back door your play. OU first half has been a strong play all year and in this game it will be 10 points or less. Seems like easy money once again to me even at 14. Just my .02

OU has been 1st quarter/1st half money all year. Reguarally I would think this would be a great play. But all I've heard this week in the Missouri press conferences is about OU getting off to fast starts this year. So something tells me the Tigers are going to have some kind of gameplan to slow things down. But what it could be I don't know. Maybe a little gambling on defense? Or trying to run the ball or play a more ball control game on offense. I don't know. I'm curious to see what the props are going to be for the game. Something tells me it's going to be a fairly close first half. Missouri has the offensive guns to stay with OU for a half. I just don't think they can go the full 60 minutes toe to toe with OU. If it is a close first half, I would be more apt to take OU in a second half play.

 

[GoSooners]

If USC had 2 in conference losses, they would still be higher than Oregon St with 1 loss in conference.

If Oregon St won the Pac 10 outright but USC was higher ranked and would more appealing, do you take them?


Also Texas played a much tougher IN CONFERENCE SCHEDULE.

They played Missouri. Oklahoma and TTech didn't.

In the round robin between the 3, Texas had away/neutral while TTech had home/away and Okla had home/neutral.

Between the 3 Oklahoma didnt play a true road game and Texas did not play a game at home.

We could argue this point forever. I could also say that Texas got to play OSU at home. A game they barely won. While OU had to play OSU on the road and won by 20. You can compare scores and where the games are played at forever. But the point I was getting at is if you have the top two teams from each conference play each other at the end of the year, instead of the seperate divisions, it would end most of this controversy. Until then, the only way to do this is by having the highest rated BCS team go. And argue about Texas in conference schedule all you want. But in the end it's the overall SOS that counts. And OU had the best SOS. There is alot of unfairness in college football. The best SEC team don't always go a BCS game. It's usually the SEC team with the most favorable schedule that ends up in the best BCS game. It's just the luck of the draw in a particualr year. As for USC/Oregon State, if USC had two losses they wouldn't be going to any BCS title game. If OSU beat them in a head to head, and both had one loss, then OSU automatically goes to the Rose Bowl. But that is a head to head. What if you had one or two other teams in that conference tied with them with one loss. You have to take the highest ranked BCS team. Do I think it's fair? No. But like I said, there are alot of things not fair in football. If I told you the kind of dumb ass people that vote in the Harris poll, and the favortism and under the table stuff that goes on that helps decide these teams it would make you sick. But I think we should give thanks for having computers that play a part in this. They don't play favorites. I think they have it right much more than the human aspact of the BCS.

 

[rowdy]

Hey what were the Big XII tie breakers #2-4? I think head to head was #1 and we all know #5, but I dont think I ever saw what #2-4 was.

I don't understand why only the Texas-OU head to head match up is thrown out by UT fans on why they should go. It was a 3 way tie, so another method had to be used to break the tie. In another thread, I asked (sarcastically) why Texas would get the BCS bowl bid over Tech when they lost to them head to head and had the same record. The first explanation I got from a UT fan was that Texas was ranked a lot higher in the BCS standings.

Anyway GS, thanks again for another year of sharing your thoughts on the Big XII and hopefully you will have another Bowl season like last year's.

 

[jblonghorn]

Hey what were the Big XII tie breakers #2-4? I think head to head was #1 and we all know #5, but I dont think I ever saw what #2-4 was.

I don't understand why only the Texas-OU head to head match up is thrown out by UT fans on why they should go. It was a 3 way tie, so another method had to be used to break the tie. In another thread, I asked (sarcastically) why Texas would get the BCS bowl bid over Tech when they lost to them head to head and had the same record. The first explanation I got from a UT fan was that Texas was ranked a lot higher in the BCS standings.

Anyway GS, thanks again for another year of sharing your thoughts on the Big XII and hopefully you will have another Bowl season like last year's.

In any other conference Tie breaker, Texas would have been the team to go. Even GS will tell you that. Big East, ACC, SEC, Pac-10, Big 10, every conference, except the Big 12, uses the scenario where if there's a 3 way tie, the lowest ranked BCS team is eliminated thus leaving the 2 highest ranked teams, then you go by outcome of game, which Texas won on a neutral field. Anyways, it's over. And GS, I'm not blaming the wrong person. Stoops took multiple shots at Mack Brown and the Texas football program at his love-in news conference last Sunday. Go back and watch it. Like I said, he'll get his, and in a big way. What are your thoughts on the Florida game? Everyone's on Florida, and I just hate giving Saban and maybe the finest coaching staff in football 10 points. thoughts?

 

[rowdy]

Why is the BCS standings ok to use to throw out the #3 team and then go by head to head but it is not ok to use the BCS standings to determine the winner of a 3 way tie? The argument that I keep hearing is the BCS should not be used at all in determining any of the conference's tie breakers which I do agree with but then you would have to use point differential of common conference opponents or something like that.

 

[jblonghorn]

BCS DECLARES GERMANY WINNER OF WORLD WAR II; US Ranked 4th

After determining the Big-12 championship game participants the BCS computers were put to work on other major contests and today the BCS declared Germany to be the winner of World War II.

"Germany put together an incredible number of victories beginning with the annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland and continuing on into conference play with defeats of Poland, France, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium and the Netherlands. Their only losses came against the US and Russia; however considering their entire body of work--including an incredibly tough Strength of Schedule--our computers deemed them worthy of the #1 ranking."

Questioned about the #4 ranking of the United States the BCS commissioner stated "The US only had two major victories--Japan and Germany. The computer models, unlike humans, aren't influenced by head-to-head contests--they consider each contest to be only a single, equally-weighted event."

German Chancellor Adolph Hitler said "Yes, we lost to the US; but we defeated #2 ranked France in only 6 weeks." Herr Hitler has been criticized for seeking dramatic victories to earn 'style points' to enhance Germany's rankings. Hitler protested "Our contest with Poland was in doubt until the final day and the conditions in Norway were incredibly challenging and demanded the application of additional forces."

The French ranking has also come under scrutiny. The BCS commented "France had a single loss against Germany and following a preseason #1 ranking they only fell to #2."

Japan was ranked #3 with victories including Manchuria, Borneo and the Philippines.

 

[GoSooners]

In any other conference Tie breaker, Texas would have been the team to go. Even GS will tell you that. Big East, ACC, SEC, Pac-10, Big 10, every conference, except the Big 12, uses the scenario where if there's a 3 way tie, the lowest ranked BCS team is eliminated thus leaving the 2 highest ranked teams, then you go by outcome of game, which Texas won on a neutral field. Anyways, it's over. And GS, I'm not blaming the wrong person. Stoops took multiple shots at Mack Brown and the Texas football program at his love-in news conference last Sunday. Go back and watch it. Like I said, he'll get his, and in a big way. What are your thoughts on the Florida game? Everyone's on Florida, and I just hate giving Saban and maybe the finest coaching staff in football 10 points. thoughts?

jb...As for the Bama-Florida game, I mentioned a little about it on the first page. I like Bama, but the one thing that scares me about this team is almost one third of their points this season have been scored by their defense and turnovers. Problem is, Florida doesn't turn the ball over. Their something like (+20) in turnover margin. Which is probably tops in the country. So if Bama can't score this way, how are they going to keep up with this high octane Florida spread? I think it's a tough call. My heart wants me to take Bama. But my brain tells me to take Florida or lay off the game.


And jb, you are blaming the wrong person. Stoops is only talking for his team. They came to him and ask him questions. And that was it. I guarantee you no coach is above the fray. They all lobby for their teams. And they all would do anything to get their team in the game. Even Mack Brown. Don't think for a minute that he's any different than Bob Stoops. I just read an article about Mack after they lost a head to head against Texas A&M in 2006. Yet Mack voted Texas 7 slots ahead of the Aggies the next week despite losing a head to head. Talk about hypocricy. Mack gets on television last week and talks nothing but head to head wins..By the way, all of the coaches including Mack Brown voted for this system for the Big 12. It's just that nobody thought it would come to this. I'll try to find that article again and the poll that showed how all of the coaches voted that year.

 

[GoSooners]

Boston College (PK) over Virginia Tech **
I might have a better writeup about this game later when I get the time. All I can tell you for now is I saw the first game between these two teams. I had Va Tech that day. I was wrong. Boston College was the better team after watching that game. They also have the better numbers for this game. If they don't turn the ball over, they should win this game.

 

[YourAllAmerican]

Boston College (PK) over Virginia Tech **
I might have a better writeup about this game later when I get the time. All I can tell you for now is I saw the first game between these two teams. I had Va Tech that day. I was wrong. Boston College was the better team after watching that game. They also have the better numbers for this game. If they don't turn the ball over, they should win this game.

BC has been a cash machine lately. I like the looks of the Under here as well.

 

[jblonghorn]

Boston College (PK) over Virginia Tech **
I might have a better writeup about this game later when I get the time. All I can tell you for now is I saw the first game between these two teams. I had Va Tech that day. I was wrong. Boston College was the better team after watching that game. They also have the better numbers for this game. If they don't turn the ball over, they should win this game.

With Randizzle on BC, they're obviously the pick. These days, everyone should look at his picks, as he's been as hot as arguably any person in the history of documented capping. Unreal.

 

[GoSooners]

BC has been a cash machine lately. I like the looks of the Under here as well.

After the miracle that Boston College pulled off against Wake Forest a couple weeks ago and ruined my Best Bet play, I'm just beginning to think this team wants it real bad after losing it last season to VT. And all of the bounces and breaks are going their way. Plus they have the best defense of the two. Unless BC has some unexpected turnovers, they should win the game. This should be the most boring game of the week and go under the number.