Florida best team ?

[TimelyHitting]

As much as I've ridden Ohio State the last few years, this Penn State squad is simply not an overrated clone similar to the Buckeyes. Don't sleep on the Nittany Lions. Their offense is 100x better and the defense is every bit as good.

Teams route Ohio State because they stop the overrated offense and then score points with good field position. Penn State's defense can be scored on to an extent as well but the offense can keep up with anyone.

PSU runs a spread offense with speed all over the field.

PSU has a big and tough offensive line that's been together forever.

PSU's defense will only get better as the year goes on with Maurice Evans back and Lydell getting better with every game.

It's pointless to argue because these guys just keep comparing them to OSU teams of the past, but they're not the same team. It's a new year and a new team.

 

[kermit16]

#1 BCS = Undefeated Big 12 or SEC team through their respective CCG's.

#2 BCS = One loss Big 12 or one loss SEC team who wins their CCG.

#3 BCS = Undefeated PSU.

So PSU better hope that both scenario #1 and #2 don't happen, otherwise they'll be jumped. PSU's schedule is absolutely pathetic and the computers will hate them.

I actually beg to disagree because I believe an undefeated PSU team would certainly be picked by the BCS ahead of any 1 loss team in the country ! PSU may not belong in the championship game but that's the way the stupid BCS works. Like I said before... I will take USC or florida over an undefeated PSU straight up with no points. Name the stakes ... $ 100 $ 1000 , dinner at the Bash next year .. whatever !

 

[Cusipz]

If it's PSU vs. USC, and as you say USC is the lessor team, then take PSU on the moneyline; you will get paid nicely if they win.

Too bad you'd be flushing your money down the toilet. That has nothing to do with public perception.

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

I think they're an elite team. I think there are 3 or 4 elite teams in the country so how am I saying that they'll automatically win the title? I said they can contend for it.

Oh I get it now. Your eyes see the talent and speed. F those speed drills and times people put out there. You're the true test with your eyes. Why don't NFL teams call you and ask if the guy is fast. Who cares what times are, you know.

If PSU beats OSU what are you going to say then? That's all I ask. Then what will your excuse of USC being so much better be? We will have won at Columbus with a healthy Beanie Wells and the true starting QB playing for OSU. We'll have beaten a much better OSU team.

And if they stomp OSU like they stomped Wisconsin then what will you say? Their conference is a joke and blah blah?

TTinco, you are not correct. I wouldn't have even argued this heavily if it wasn't for idiot comments made. He refutes facts with things like "COMICAL". He can't argue with my facts.

I won't be bumping this because it's pointless. I disagree with a guy who sucks USC's dick even though USC has a loss and PSU doesn't, and USC plays in a weaker conference than PSU.

You can never win with people that just think they know it all. They haven't watched this team. They've dominated everyone they've played. It's ok though. PSU isn't as fast as any team in America. EGD watches their games and times the players with his eyes.

Go ask Tennessee how fast and talented PSU's skill position players are. Now they actually have a quarterback.

Look at who they have played, a non elite I-AA program, a short handed Oregon State team, a really bad Syracuse team, a Temple team just starting to find itself, an overrated Illinois team, a down Purdue squad, & a really fraudulent top 10 team in Wisconsin.

USC would have destroyed Ohio State at any point of this season. Do you really think a healthy Wells & a more seasoned Pryor is worth 32 points? Seriously get a clue...

You talk so much smack about them being elite, you should jump at the chance at free money. However as usual people like you don't have a set to backup your claims.

 

[TimelyHitting]

Look at who they have played, a non elite I-AA program, a short handed Oregon State team, a really bad Syracuse team, a Temple team just starting to find itself, an overrated Illinois team, a down Purdue squad, & a really fraudulent top 10 team in Wisconsin.

USC would have destroyed Ohio State at any point of this season. Do you really think a healthy Wells & a more seasoned Pryor is worth 32 points? Seriously get a clue...

You talk so much smack about them being elite, you should jump at the chance at free money. However as usual people like you don't have a set to backup your claims.

Huh? So a shorthanded OSU team that is playing at Happy Valley instead of at home against USC is worth 40+ points? That's how much PSU could have beaten Oregon State by, the team that USC lost to. Ohio State played awful against USC and didn't have their best player and real starting QB.

I never said they'd win the national title. I never guaranteed anything. I said they may be the best team in America. That's what I said. You said they're not. I'll bet you they finish in the top 10. That's elite right?

I didn't make a claim that they'd win. I'm arguing with you because you said they're simply average which is a ridicolus claim. I'm arguing that. Don't try and call me out and say I'm a coward. I'm not arguing that they'll win it all. I'm arguing they may be the best team in America and that they can play with any team in America.

 

[kermit16]

You bring up an excellent point on Oklahoma. I honestly don't see them making it through without 2 losses. I think they lose to Missouri & Texas Tech. They also have tough games with Oklahoma State & Kansas who I definitely think can give them fits. One team that no one is paying attention to that might be a slip up for Texas is Baylor.

If they somehow make it through the gauntlet of Missouri (H), Oklahoma State (H), & Texas Tech (R), they have a sandwich game against Baylor a week before a tough game at Kansas. Going into that Baylor game they will have played every week with no rest since September 20th & that has to catch up at some point.

Actually looking at Texas schedule, I doubt that they will lose more that 1 game prior to the big 12 Championship game as they already won the one game that looked like a loss on their schedule .. At Oklahoma. both Missouri and Oklahoma State are at home with road games at texas Tech and Kansas. However Kansas is not the same Kansas team this year and I'm not really sure just how ready Tech is ? Baylor ? Baylor lost badly at home to Oklahoma and Wake so I don't think so but perhaps it's a good spot !

 

[quinnsft34]

Already said with Red Eye I would. I think people forget how good Paterno is in bowl games. Why are people so in love with USC and Florida. They are overrated. They both have holes. Hell Sanchez looked awful today. Florida's defense is very suspect.

This is all I'm going to say on this. If Penn St gets spread out and their LB's are taken out of the game they will get run over by anyone in the Big 12 or the SEC. Penn St. top 10 yes top team no. Fuck no.

 

[TTinCO]

Kansas-non factor

Misery-Could be tight

OSU-Naw....not on the road

Baylor-They still suck, just not as bad

TTech-Could get interesting, but I doubt it

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

Huh? So a shorthanded OSU team that is playing at Happy Valley instead of at home against USC is worth 40+ points? That's how much PSU could have beaten Oregon State by, the team that USC lost to. Ohio State played awful against USC and didn't have their best player and real starting QB.

I never said they'd win the national title. I never guaranteed anything. I said they may be the best team in America. That's what I said. You said they're not. I'll bet you they finish in the top 10. That's elite right?

I didn't make a claim that they'd win. I'm arguing with you because you said they're simply average which is a ridicolus claim. I'm arguing that. Don't try and call me out and say I'm a coward. I'm not arguing that they'll win it all. I'm arguing they may be the best team in America and that they can play with any team in America.

You say it is ridiculous yet you can't actually prove they are elite. They haven't played anyone worth a damn to prove they are elite. Elite teams are consistently in the picture, not just ranked super high every couple of years. They are not elite but instead of a bunch of frauds who would get their lunch handed to them by a shitload of teams.

If they are as good as you think they are, I am throwing money away.

 

[quinnsft34]

Actually looking at Texas schedule, I doubt that they will lose more that 1 game prior to the big 12 Championship game as they already won the one game that looked like a loss on their schedule .. At Oklahoma. both Missouri and Oklahoma State are at home with road games at texas Tech and Kansas. However Kansas is not the same Kansas team this year and I'm not really sure just how ready Tech is ? Baylor ? Baylor lost badly at home to Oklahoma and Wake so I don't think so but perhaps it's a good spot !

Big 12 is right there with any SEC team this year would not be shocked at all if both conferences played each other out of the national title picture.

 

[hippieki11er]

I actually beg to disagree because I believe an undefeated PSU team would certainly be picked by the BCS ahead of any 1 loss team in the country !

Let's say Texas runs the table AND a one loss UF runs the table and beats an undefeated or one loss Alabama in the SEC CCG, then Texas and Florida will go to the NC game.

OR

Let's say Alabama runs the table AND a one loss Texas or one loss OU wins the Big 12 CCG, then the one loss Big-12 CCG winner would play an undefeated Alabama in the NC game.

* You could interchange the parts in either of these two above scenarios as long as there's one Big 12 or SEC undefeated, and one Big 12 or SEC CCG winner with only one loss.


An undefeated PSU needs such a scenario not to happen in order to make it to the NC game. Their SOS is going to absolutely kill them in the computers, mark my words.

 

[quinnsft34]

BUT what about Joe Pa in bowl games? LOL fuck please go undefeated and get romped like Ohio St. ppppplease.

 

[TimelyHitting]

You say it is ridiculous yet you can't actually prove they are elite. They haven't played anyone worth a damn to prove they are elite. Elite teams are consistently in the picture, not just ranked super high every couple of years. They are not elite but instead of a bunch of frauds who would get their lunch handed to them by a shitload of teams.

If they are as good as you think they are, I am throwing money away.

What? Elite teams are consistently in the picture? What the fuck does that mean? PSU was an elite team in '05 and finished third in the nation. You can be an elite team for a season. You are making no sense. You're in love with this past bull. Well in the past 50 years there isn't a more elite program haha? What does this crap even mean.

Really? They win their bowl game nearly every year.

How are you throwing money away? You make no sense.

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

Kansas-non factor

Misery-Could be tight

OSU-Naw....not on the road

Baylor-They still suck, just not as bad

TTech-Could get interesting, but I doubt it

I wouldn't discredit OSU, they are not a bad team at all & should give Texas fits. They have the talent to hang & beat Texas. I think Missouri beats them by 10. I give Baylor the least amount of chance of winning but that imo is a really bad spot for them.

Our Avs haven't looked good so far. I actually bet against them for the first time ever tonight. They are the one team I have a weakness for in wagering. I can bet against any of my other teams but never them for some reason. (This isn't to say I wager on all of their games, I don't.)

 

[TimelyHitting]

This is all I'm going to say on this. If Penn St gets spread out and their LB's are taken out of the game they will get run over by anyone in the Big 12 or the SEC. Penn St. top 10 yes top team no. Fuck no.

Really that's weird. PSU's secondary has just as much speed as any in the country. Their secondary is deep and they have a terrific pass rush. Not sure what spreading them out would do since PSU plays a nickle often and only plays with 2 LB's on the field all the time since their best LB is out for the year. Thanks for not watching the games again.

Oh and you're going to argue Joe Pa in bowl games now. God this is laughable. He's proved it for 50 years. He has the best bowl record of all time.


THEY'RE NOT OSU! THEY'RE RUN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SYSTEM AND HAVE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAYERS. WHY DOES EVERYONE COMPARE THEM TO A TEAM THEY'RE NOTHING LIKE?????

 

[kermit16]

Let's say Texas runs the table and a one loss UF runs the table and beats an undefeated or one loss Alabama in the SEC CCG, then Texas and Florida will go to the NC game.

OR

Let's say Alabama runs the table and a one loss Texas or one loss OU wins the Big 12 CCG, then the one loss Big-12 CCG winner would play an undefeated Alabama in the NC game.

* You could interchange the parts in either of these two above scenarios as long as there's one Big 12 or SEC undefeated, and one Big 12 or SEC CCG winner with only one loss.


An undefeated PSU needs such a scenario not to happen in order to make it to the NC game. Their SOS is going to absolutely kill them in the computers, mark my words.

SOS means almost nothing in reality to the idiots who run the BCS. If SOS did mean anything, then We wouldn't be seeing Ohio state in the
Championship game the last few years ! If PSU runs the table, I believe they will go to the BCS Championship game ahead of any team that has 1 defeat ! It may not be the correct choice but who would deny the great Joe Pa from having another chance if He goes undefeated ?

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

What? Elite teams are consistently in the picture? What the fuck does that mean? PSU was an elite team in '05 and finished third in the nation. You can be an elite team for a season. You are making no sense. You're in love with this past bull. Well in the past 50 years there isn't a more elite program haha? What does this crap even mean.

Really? They win their bowl game nearly every year.

How are you throwing money away? You make no sense.

Point blank either back your smack up or prepare to have your excuses ready when they don't win shit this year.

I'm in love with the past yet you keep saying how Joe Pa doesn't lose bowl games. So don't even go there.

Your team is a fraud & I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is on this. If they are as good as you claim they are, I would be throwing my money away.

Step up or walk away......

 

[kermit16]

Just a bit of humor but at timely's present rate of posting, I think He could well surpass my Post count before He finishes with this thread ! :lol:

 

[TimelyHitting]

Point blank either back your smack up or prepare to have your excuses ready when they don't win shit this year.

I'm in love with the past yet you keep saying how Joe Pa doesn't lose bowl games. So don't even go there.

Your team is a fraud & I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is on this. If they are as good as you claim they are, I would be throwing my money away.

Step up or walk away......

IT MAKES NO SENSE. I NEVER FUCKIN' SAID THEY'D WIN THE TITLE. I SAID THEY MAY BE THE BEST TEAM IN THE COUNTRY. WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND BITCH?

Coaching for bowl games is preparation and scheming. That's why that matters. You're really not that smart are you? You've argued the points that anyone knows shouldn't be argued.

Teams change year to year but coaches don't. That's why a team from three years ago doesn't mean shit for a team this year. I'm done. YOu keep saying the same shit but have no facts outside. THEY'RE NOT THAT GOOD because I say so haha. Bye.

Walk away yourself, because you haven't made a legitimate point yet. You haven't made a legit critique of the team yet. All you do is compare them to OSU, which their nothing like, and say they weren't good last year. I quit. You're hopeless.

 

[hippieki11er]

SOS means almost nothing in reality to the idiots who run the BCS. If SOS did mean anything, then We wouldn't be seeing Ohio state in the
Championship game the last few years ! If PSU runs the table, I believe they will go to the BCS Championship game ahead of any team that has 1 defeat ! It may not be the correct choice but who would deny the great Joe Pa from having another chance if He goes undefeated ?

We're just going to have to agree to disagree then, no big deal. These scenarios are unlikely anyway.

Another darkhorse reason that an undefeated PSU could be jumped by a one loss Big 12 or SEC CCG winner is that PSU could simply then be shipped off to the Rose Bowl to play USC. Whereas if PSU makes the NC game, then tOSU would go to the Rose Bowl to play USC again and NO ONE wants to see that. Remember the Illinois Rose Bowl debacle from last year?

Bottom line, the Big-10 will NOT get two teams into the BCS again and that could screw PSU out of the NC game since the 2nd place Big-10 team would then be in line for the Rose Bowl.