FINGER LAKES #1 YESTERDAY ???

NickyDeuces · Apr 22, 2004

I really don't know of any horse people who would BET BIG on a horse simply because said horse is hopped up on drugs. Anything can happen. Could get knocked down leaving or blocked, etc. (Way) back in the day, some quarterhorses would run big after getting 'smoked' with weed. We played the high horses, but never bet the farm. Too many ways to get beat.

And there's no way to tell if a horse is hopped up without the test. Was the horse whistling dixie after the race, doing a two step? Could be the people knew their horse was sitting on a big race.F'in books will take house and home given half the chance. But deal them a blow, they look for every possible out. "We're the mighty Books. We beat people, they don't beat us."

(went back and looked at the race. I know when I'm capping a field full of three legged horses, my eyes will always come back to the first timer. The :36 work was a key hint in this field.)

[This message was edited by vegassportspics on April 23, 2004 at 02:41 AM.]

JimFiestSux · Apr 22, 2004

If this is the #1 in the first race that day, I almost bet him at OTB! He was the only first time starter in race and he figured cause there was a lot of shit in that race! Hell 4 and a half furlongs and a first time starter from the rail, I always give him a shot!

Banned4Life · Apr 22, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Just curious does anyone know where these doping/fix accusations came from?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Crybaby "bookies" looking for an excuse to not pay.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Does anyone know of the other reported "Big name shops" that have already chosen not to pay up? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would bet 10 thousand dollars that Pinnacle isn't on this list.

JimFiestSux · Apr 22, 2004

I bet horses offshore alot and now I'm afraid if I hit a horse that a new player hits hard I might not get paid! Hey offshore books! ALL track rules stand at your book and the track paid off that race,WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO HOLD A PLAYERS BET ON A WINNER WHEN IN FACT THE TRACK AND ALL OTB CUSTOMERS WERE PAID IMMEDIATELY! This horse figured in a shitty field on paper! I watched the race that day and he was the strongest horse in the stretch, guess his so called drugging didn't take effect till the midstretch maker! PAY your bets off! What shops are holding money from the winners, I'll NEVER bet at their shops!

crazylarry+ · Apr 22, 2004

Hey JimFiestSux thats a great point there was no fixing of a race it was a crappy field and the better horse won the race. All books should pay up. Do they not want to pay because of the price of the horse? If the horse was the favorite would this even be a discussion? And for TRYTRYTRY you think the books should not pay.Or can do what they want, pay when they feel like it, and pay when they dont. If you are talking to other sportbooks owners and managers then you must be an owner your self. If this is the case please tell the good people of the prescription your books name. But im sure you wont do that because you will get blacklisted all over the offshore world. And i will be the first one leading the way. Bottom line if you took the bet you need to pay there was no fixing of any race on opening day thats the facts.

JimFiestSux · Apr 22, 2004

These so called books holding this guys winnings needs to be posted here! If not people are going to wonder and be skeptical on placing wagers offshore! Hell if they'd hold horse winnings what bout sports winnings?? Do like you do in sports if a new comer hits you hard tell him nicely you'd rather not do business with a sharpie! BUT PAY THIS GUY WHAT HE HAS COMING!!!!

JimFiestSux · Apr 22, 2004

Do you really think anyone would risk their liscense on drugging a dirt cheap claimer at Finger Lakes,lol, be for real! Hell their liscense is worth more in $ than this horse is,lol!

trytrytry · Apr 22, 2004

crazylarry you are missing my "position" by a longshot. (had to use a horse term!)

Im saying that Jake can obviously do what he "Wants" he holds the money, the cards so to say. But the result of a poor decision by Jake will be costly and devestating for his company. Again sometimes people make decisions that they (in their own logic) feel is the right/fair thing to do at the expense of ruining their business. Jake might choose to do that if he really feels he is right and cant live his life or run his company paying off the Race one at Finger lakes what can you do? What can you do if this guys logic is just flawed on this other than blacklist him and spread the word.

I obviously feel the bet should be paid. and having Jake read (even if he will not be bullied) that his sportsbook client base gets clobbered if he does not pay a confirmed wager might help him sort out his logic (drugs or no drugs).

JimFiestSux · Apr 22, 2004

Guys this race was a 7,200$ Maiden Claimer race at 4 and a half furlongs! Just checked back results and this race was the SLOWEST RUN race of the day! If this horse was drugged I think he'd run a LITTLE FASTER! ANY HORSE FROM POST ONE AT 4 AND A HALF FURLONGS HAS A CHANCE TO WIN EVEN AT 50-1. Mikhael Rolff's an OK trainer and I doubt that he'd stake his racing career at Finger Lakes for a race fixing of a 7,200$ Maiden Claimer!

JimFiestSux · Apr 22, 2004

This Jake guy, whoever his book is should be BLACK LISTED from the day of this original post on! Not paying a new client who hits him hard,lol, SHITTY SHOP IN MY EYES! Pay him and boot him but PAY YOUR DEBTS!!

crazylarry+ · Apr 22, 2004

I See your point trytrytry.....

Makers · Apr 22, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> ANY HORSE FROM POST ONE AT 4 AND A HALF FURLONGS HAS A CHANCE TO WIN EVEN AT 50-1. Mikhael Rolff's an OK trainer and I doubt that he'd stake his racing career at Finger Lakes for a race fixing of a 7,200$ Maiden Claimer! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

While I agree with most of the posts re. the book should pay. I respectfully disagree with the above. I know of no trainer that would desire the rail for a firster regardless the distance. Most would prefer middle to outer post position. My experience has been the cheaper the tag and purse the more conducive to the type allegations stated!!!!
Just one mans opinion!!!!!!

JimFiestSux · Apr 22, 2004

Makers,
So you are saying you would risk a career in horse training to drug a 7200 claimer?? Unless you are a terrible trainer and need money quick to pay the bills, I doubt it! The first race of the meet you fix it,lol! The race was the slowest of the day, what kind of anything could the horse be on to run that slow?? Maybe all the other horses were on drugs to run slower! As for the inside post, I love rail horses at a short distance! Quick first turn with any speed your in the best position! I agree with a first timer on the rail! But in this instance his speed came in the stretch!

SurfBoard · Apr 22, 2004

i dont care if the horse was drugged and this guy gave the horse the freaking drug himself, once the board says official, your supposed to pay. I will never play offshore again with horses if they dont pay this guy. I hope TC BETS is not on this list.

triple crown, please tell us if you paid this client

JimFiestSux · Apr 22, 2004

This is just a case of a first time player hitting a book hard and they just don't want to pay! Hey guys be aware of any 20-1 morning line going off at 10-1,lol, wow what a tip! I've seen 20-1 go off at 2-1 and win, nothing is said! Hey a buddy of mine owned a few horses at Monticello, he had a horse who couldn't win worth shit 0 for 21. He fed him 2 pounds of spaghetti the day of his 22nd race and he won by 10 lenghts and went off at 15-1, morning line 30-1, and we all bet him, does this consist of a fix too??

Makers · Apr 22, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Makers,
So you are saying you would risk a career in horse training to drug a 7200 claimer?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, that has been my experience!!!! Would I? No!!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>But in this instance his speed came in the stretch! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A more experienced runner (re. rail) I would agree..It's the reaction to the first furlong or so in traffic that causes probs for many firsters!!!

Great discussion, I do respect your view I just have differing opinion!

One note! In my years of racing the posssibilities of foul play were endless at the lesser tracks!

trytrytry · Apr 22, 2004

maybe the most interesting thing from this Thread is the near 4000 page views since it started! WOW.

People are concerned about scams, and about no pays that is clear! no matter what side you might think is correct here.

I hope Jake does continue to post his assessment of this situation. It takes guts to post the inside going ons at a shop. HE feels taken advantage of and let us all know that and why.

I also think that a man should have a few days to clear his head and make the right decision on something that does not feel right to him. If Jake takes it all in and today or Friday credits those accounts that is fine. Does not mean him or any other shop is out to screw customers. They want a few days to cool down and get it right and maybe share some info to prevent it again at their shops. no problem. I dont think Jake should be blacklisted for a 3 day colling off, thinking about it, gathering as much info as possible, period on something he feels this strongly about. the guy feels flat out he was cheated personally taken advantage of and that take some time to absorb and respond to. how many of you after Aces left with your money (they tricked you and pulled a fast one on you stealing your monye) just were all happy the next day??

Banned4Life · Apr 22, 2004

The above link is a post from Plasma Man at another forum. Here's the text:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> As I found this topic to be somewhat interesting and suspicious as to how offshore books have handled it I took the time to call and speak to the racing officials at Finger Lakes.

I just got off the phone with the Richard in the Racing Stewards office at Finger Lakes. We spoke in length about the race in question. There is no investigation ongoing nor will there be. Richard stated that they did receive a couple of calls and although they looked at the race replay there was no wrongdoing. He further stated that the horse in question had just recently worked 36 in a 3 Furlong work and that the field was less than spectacular. He stated he has seen many races such as this in his career. Finally he stated that the Stewards office would never commence an investigation brought on by phonecalls from offshore bookmakers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[This message was edited by The General on April 22, 2004 at 02:10 PM.]

JudgeWapner · Apr 22, 2004

If there is no investigation,then the books should pay.If the track officials think the race is legit,then there is no case for not paying.Looks to me that word just got out about a live long shot.Not uncommon in first time starters.

Banned4Life · Apr 22, 2004

Is it against the rules to post links to other forums here? I'm not complaining I just want to know so I don't make the same mistake in the future. Thanks.