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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WEEKENDALKI:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by neilm:
Rio,

You've acquitted yourself quite impressively in this thread.

All you books,

Why didn't any of you keep this all under wraps until next time the guy bet? You've gotta think long term...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Good point senor.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
 

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you cant wait until the guys bets again because the accout is frozen during your so called, "investigation"
 

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You guys missed Neils point. I think what he's trying to say is, if you believe these guys fixed the race then next time they bet play it as well.
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this whole issue is a blow to the credibility of the whole off-shore horse booking venture, to the book, and the better alike.Facts are facts, and "official" should hold true to bettor and acceptor of bets equally. Making rules as you go is only the luxary of law makers and politicians. If a bet is accepted, it should be honored. If foul play be involved, take it on the chin and make precautionary measures so it doesn't happen again. If you can care less about your reputation as an acceptor of bets, then deny the win. I am sure you will get whats coming to you in the long run. If you dope a horse, it wins, the somehow get away with it, then i'm sure you will also get your demise...eventually. The horse racing world is under constant scrutiny; some justified complaints, but mostly complaint by others that are reaching in the "excuse bag", the "back door runners" who use speculation to calculate conclusions that others in the same situation seem to find comforting. Dont be fooled, right or wrong, one will loose. It's a shame to see people willing to take money wagers from others be the same as to deny the victory based on unfounded speculation. I wish the story would come from "the horses mouth", a legitimate response would add value to this story that i find interesting, as well as disturbing. Being an avid race fan, i await your repies......
 

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Jake is free to make any decision he wants to. They can pack up and leave tomorrow if that is the choice they make. They can not pay off booked wagers at any time. And a forum like this one can blacklist any book (or rate them low) that does not pay a booked wager to get the word out. Drugs or no drugs, or an electric whip, or holding a mount back, or jumping off the horse, the race was run, parimutual results were paid. It is black and white here but Jake could still choose Black he can do whatever he wants to.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by longcut:
this whole issue is a blow to the credibility of the whole off-shore horse booking venture, to the book, and the better alike.Facts are facts, and "official" should hold true to bettor and acceptor of bets equally. Making rules as you go is only the luxary of law makers and politicians. If a bet is accepted, it should be honored. If foul play be involved, take it on the chin and make precautionary measures so it doesn't happen again. If you can care less about your reputation as an acceptor of bets, then deny the win. I am sure you will get whats coming to you in the long run. If you dope a horse, it wins, the somehow get away with it, then i'm sure you will also get your demise...eventually. The horse racing world is under constant scrutiny; some justified complaints, but mostly complaint by others that are reaching in the "excuse bag", the "back door runners" who use speculation to calculate conclusions that others in the same situation seem to find comforting. Dont be fooled, right or wrong, one will loose. It's a shame to see people willing to take money wagers from others be the same as to deny the victory based on unfounded speculation. I wish the story would come from "the horses mouth", a legitimate response would add value to this story that i find interesting, as well as disturbing. Being an avid race fan, i await your repies......<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have personally been on both sides of these fence. One one hand you have books crying of foul play, and one can certainly understand that they are pissed at having to pay out when a race is possibly fixed. On the other hand, you have the players foaming at the mouth for this kind of info. I have played plenty of steam horses in my day, and to be honest, have never really asked if the horse was doped or not. Someone simply said, go bet this horse, he cant lose, and i went out and hit it for all i could. As I have said earlier, i think it comes down to the books mitigating their exposure, and basically trying to cut off guys who only play steam horses. I was taught that if you take a bet, you have to pay. For example, if South florida is playing Drexel in college basketball, and South Florida's players are shaving points, do I tell everyone, including those who knew nothing of what was going on, that they are not getting paid because they bet on Drexel, and the game was fixed? Of course not. I really hate to say it, but these slime should be paid IMO no matter what the outcome.
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Any bookmaker who has been around the block more than once would love to have a player who bets only horses and always wins.

Jake, and anybody who agrees with him, is an ill-informed individual. What I would give to have Jake's problem!


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P.S. Jake, you ought to apologize, send a box of cigars, and ask if somehow you can expedite this guy's payout. This is one of the biggest mistakes I have ever seen, assuming your customer is as sharp as you suspect.
 

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have you really looked at all the facts of this race or are you just pissed off that you lost and so you are only assuming that they doped this horse. Let me enlighten you on a few facts that you should have considered yourselves. Lasix is used as a mask when a trainer dopes a horse.Every horse in that race was on lasix EXCEPT for the horse in question, Hes vivid.Also how about the fact that the race was the SLOWEST race of the day with all the splits also being the slowest. Anyone knows if you dope a horse it isnt going to run such slow fractions.The trainer in question has had four starts and has 2 wins and 1 second. Where are all the questions about these horses? Were they doped also? THe fact of the matter is that there was nothing illegal about this race and the books that took these bets are obligated to pay them.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazylarry:
have you really looked at all the facts of this race or are you just pissed off that you lost and so you are only assuming that they doped this horse. Let me enlighten you on a few facts that you should have considered yourselves. Lasix is used as a mask when a trainer dopes a horse.Every horse in that race was on lasix EXCEPT for the horse in question, Hes vivid.Also how about the fact that the race was the SLOWEST race of the day with all the splits also being the slowest. Anyone knows if you dope a horse it isnt going to run such slow fractions.The trainer in question has had four starts and has 2 wins and 1 second. Where are all the questions about these horses? Were they doped also? THe fact of the matter is that there was nothing illegal about this race and the books that took these bets are obligated to pay them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
First of all, we are paying. Just curious, as a 1st time poster, are you here to post just on this subject, or will you be an active poster in the future?
 
as a horseman for 31 years,let me tell you guys something,when a race is fixed,no one and i repeat no one knows who is going to win a race,what they do know is that the 1,6 ,8 ,9 for example are not going to hit the board,that is how races are fixed,they are called "outs" or here in michigan they are called "potatoes" dead horses,it is easy to hit a 9 horse field when "they know" 4 horses are not going to hit the board
 

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you pay the guy

end of story

i dont care if he trained or owned another horse that same damn race

you book it, you pay

and if you dont, you aint a real bookie

just be more aware next time
 
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Guys, no need to keep posting the obvious in here. Crybaby isnt going to put the funds into the guys account until 4-5 days after the race when the drug test come back. Even if this horse is drugged up the people at the track who bet the horse got thier money. Crybaby wont pay if the results come back positive.
 

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themanowesme - I assume you are referring to Jake. I don't know what he will do in this case, but I want to go on record, and let it be known Jake has always been very cooperative with Rx. mods. He has helped us on several occasions to settle disputes between players and books he has some influence with. Calling him names is your perogative, but imho. shows a lack of profesionalism on your part.

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will, i respect you as a poster, but the simple fact that JAKE thought about not paying this guy, is what is wrong with the industry today

themanawesome is right....these books that wont pay are crybabies
 

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Surfboard - Believe me I understand what you are saying. My point is calling names will only diminish dialogue between books and posters. I would much rather hear Jake, or any other rep. post their opinions, but that is unlikely when we get into pissing matches, instead of civil conversation. FWIW.


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