<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Yeah excuse me for thinking I could try to convince some SCAM bookie to pay off on a legitimate wager made within your own rules, because you were too goddamned lazy (or busy getting blowjobbed by the local talent) to see what was happening BEFORE the race went off. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
How can the wager be legitimate is the race is fixed? Yes you may have been unaware that the race was bent, but any money won is theft!!
How can the wager be legitimate is the race is fixed? Yes you may have been unaware that the race was bent, but any money won is theft!!
Holy Bull
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What happened wasn't a fix. The race was a 4k maiden claimer with no strong favorite. They just had a hot horse which isn't too tough at that level, kept it quiet, and drilled it offshore.
I'd have to think this isn't that uncommon at a track like Finger Lakes. Also based on the win and place price I'd say at least 1 book layed off the win into the pools.
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What happened wasn't a fix. The race was a 4k maiden claimer with no strong favorite. They just had a hot horse which isn't too tough at that level, kept it quiet, and drilled it offshore.
I'd have to think this isn't that uncommon at a track like Finger Lakes. Also based on the win and place price I'd say at least 1 book layed off the win into the pools.
Rio, I am glad to see you that you agree with the head of Cris regarding the booking of the bet and the payout. That is my whole point in my response, if you take the bet, DO NOT wait until the outcome is determined to say hold on we arent paying. Cancel the bet when its made if you dont want the action.
Jake, screw you, you whining crybaby. Pay the guy, you LOST he WON. I dont care if the guy is a convicted race fixer, you took the god damn bet, pay up.
This wasnt the first race in the history of the world that may have been fixed. You probably have collected thousands from unsuspecting players on 2-1 shots that finished up the track due to a "fix". I am sure your not crying about taking in that money, are you Jake?
So you spoke to the guy at Finger Lakes, did you kiss his a@@ crying to him.
BTW, Jake, who gives a flying you know what that your not going to post here until the investigation is complete. You got beat and now your crying like a little girl.
The track paid off the tickets and you should to.
Jake, screw you, you whining crybaby. Pay the guy, you LOST he WON. I dont care if the guy is a convicted race fixer, you took the god damn bet, pay up.
This wasnt the first race in the history of the world that may have been fixed. You probably have collected thousands from unsuspecting players on 2-1 shots that finished up the track due to a "fix". I am sure your not crying about taking in that money, are you Jake?
So you spoke to the guy at Finger Lakes, did you kiss his a@@ crying to him.
BTW, Jake, who gives a flying you know what that your not going to post here until the investigation is complete. You got beat and now your crying like a little girl.
The track paid off the tickets and you should to.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pickles:
Rio-
thanks for being in this thread
(youve earned my respect)
GL to you<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks for your words. It really was fun going back and forth on this issue, especially with guys like you who contribute with thought provoking ideas. You really made me think, and ultimately, IMO, you guys are right.
Rio-
thanks for being in this thread
(youve earned my respect)
GL to you<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks for your words. It really was fun going back and forth on this issue, especially with guys like you who contribute with thought provoking ideas. You really made me think, and ultimately, IMO, you guys are right.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by neilm:
Rio,
You've acquitted yourself quite impressively in this thread.
All you books,
Why didn't any of you keep this all under wraps until next time the guy bet? You've gotta think long term...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Good point senor.
Rio,
You've acquitted yourself quite impressively in this thread.
All you books,
Why didn't any of you keep this all under wraps until next time the guy bet? You've gotta think long term...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Good point senor.
Smaller tracks with smaller purses such as FL are more susceptible to this type of scam, giving most of racing a bad name. Should the book pay? Yes!!!! One point, it is impossible to make a thoroughbred run faster than capable. You can however relieve pain in order to insure maximum performance. The more successful fixes are ones that stop the opposition!
Really did not want to post, but I take exception when people call me names for absolutely no reason. I will say it again:
We are only holding the funds until the report from the track shows doping or no doping. We will get the results on Thursday. At that time, should the horse prove clean, we will deposit the funds into the clients' accounts. Again...NO ONE has asked for a payout. NONE of the clients are upset (although, one has not called, so I have only spoken to 2). So, you posters who are screaming and yelling and calling names..yet have no bet on this nor any money at stake...are more upset at the hold up than those involved. Again, Gold Medal Sports WILL PAY every penny that is owed, should the results come back negative.
Thank you and best of luck!
Jake
[This message was edited by Jake on April 19, 2004 at 12:24 PM.]
We are only holding the funds until the report from the track shows doping or no doping. We will get the results on Thursday. At that time, should the horse prove clean, we will deposit the funds into the clients' accounts. Again...NO ONE has asked for a payout. NONE of the clients are upset (although, one has not called, so I have only spoken to 2). So, you posters who are screaming and yelling and calling names..yet have no bet on this nor any money at stake...are more upset at the hold up than those involved. Again, Gold Medal Sports WILL PAY every penny that is owed, should the results come back negative.
Thank you and best of luck!
Jake
[This message was edited by Jake on April 19, 2004 at 12:24 PM.]
Nothing better than stiffing those favorites. Agree on that point. On the smaller tracks with absentee owners and low end trainers you can do a lot of things. If you do not have the jock, you can sabotage, the fave, as a groom, I saw this. A carrot before race, or keeping the horse up all night, pinching its tongue with the bit, spiked feed, just to name a few. But I agree that a horse cant only run as fast as capable, but that is not the point, the horse is not running up to his physical capabilities, he is running as fast as he thinks he has to. Start whippin, he steps it up. Spurs, tacks anything he feels threatened with, he goes a little faster. Start shocking him, or other insidious methods, even faster. Before testing you could speed up, cokeup, bute anytime. Very ugly business, I could not watch some of the things that were done to the ponies so I just quit and joined the Navy. Guess that why I have strong feeling against paying is the horse was doped, or race was fixed. If not, take the bet, results are final, pay the winners. Best Wishes...OF
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> At that time, should the horse prove clean, we will deposit the funds into the clients' accounts. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's great! So that means that if I bet on a losing horse and it turns out later that the winner was doped up you'll refund my wagers, right? Right????
I didn't think so.
Either you're the most clueless horse bookie on the planet or you're running a big fat snow job on everyone. I'll take B for the limit please.
That's great! So that means that if I bet on a losing horse and it turns out later that the winner was doped up you'll refund my wagers, right? Right????
I didn't think so.
Either you're the most clueless horse bookie on the planet or you're running a big fat snow job on everyone. I'll take B for the limit please.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jake:
Again, Gold Medal Sports WILL PAY every penny that is owed, should the results come back negative. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Jake,
So what you are saying is that you are now creating a new offshore rule that any wager can be made PENDING if you feel their was wrongdoing. It was declared official and monies were paid out. Your taking a stance here that can only hurt you in the future. Will you go back and look at all events you have booked that had mitigating circumstances? I doubt it. Regardless of what the investigation reveals the right thing to do is pay them now and boot them. Then put measures in place with your shop to insure this doesn't happen again.
HTRC
Again, Gold Medal Sports WILL PAY every penny that is owed, should the results come back negative. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Jake,
So what you are saying is that you are now creating a new offshore rule that any wager can be made PENDING if you feel their was wrongdoing. It was declared official and monies were paid out. Your taking a stance here that can only hurt you in the future. Will you go back and look at all events you have booked that had mitigating circumstances? I doubt it. Regardless of what the investigation reveals the right thing to do is pay them now and boot them. Then put measures in place with your shop to insure this doesn't happen again.
HTRC
Jake, you do know that after every race the top 3 finishers are tested for any illegal substance.Regardless of the outcome of those test, the track pays out when they make the results official.If they do find doping and change how the purse is distributed they dont go back and refund any ticket that had the newly placed horse the winner based on the doping test..So my question to you is this, do you withold putting the $$$ in anybodys account for 4-5 days until you get the doping results back from every race. I dont think you do so put the $$$ in the guys account, the race was declared official and payouts made by the track, you should do the same (which in your case is put the $$ in the clients acccount).
