Dow at 17,000. What's more likely to happen first: it drops to 15,000 or continues to 20,000?

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Donald being handed a well oiled cash machine......just like he did 70 years ago.

Hopefully he doesn't take the company of the United States into bankruptcy like his other companies.

Obama is handing you a boom.....don't fuck it up.


You are are a complete ignorant moron if you think Obama has ANYTHING to do with the market skyrocketing since Trump was elected. It is ALL Trump.
 

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what the hell is going on with Natural Gas? An absurdly volatile commodity , its running since Mr Trump won-- actually a 35% run, wtf


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today's candlestick is bearish engulfing pattern on HIGH volume. High probability it pulls back , cools off.



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a break through $10 and look out , $13 could be had


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many folks think technical analysis is horoscope shit. Fine. When you load data heavily into your side you dramatically increase the probability of success. Money management is first and foremost, no exceptions . EGO is a big killer in short term trading...that's why women, in general, make for better traders.

had a bit of a head fake on this one, but it panned thru..........dagone.....natty gas is INSANELY volatile....chart has gaps all over the fuckin' place, lol
 

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'When you load data heavily into your side you dramatically increase the probability of success.'

rather .......into A side.......

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You are are a complete ignorant moron if you think Obama has ANYTHING to do with the market skyrocketing since Trump was elected. It is ALL Trump.

Yes....all the market gains have been trump....even before the primary huh?

the obama markets have been yuge.....you've been handed gold Trump....don't bankrupt us.
 

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Yes....all the market gains have been trump....even before the primary huh?




the obama markets have been yuge.....you've been handed gold Trump....don't bankrupt us.

haha!!!

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Rode the upswing pretty good but sold in August 2015 at around S&P 2000ish.

Including dividends it has run another 15%.

So I'm kindof an idiot but we'll see what happens.

Not inclined to get back in but Lockheed/Boeing are good plays right now. I think we'll see humans fly before we see those companies lose their contracts.
 

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Closing Bell.....December 13,2016
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Another Record.....Trump we$$$we$$$


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well, if you're looking for an entry point...


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LARGE gap between 208 and 211-- with major indices, gaps tend to get filled. Not saying it will, just sayin'--that gap is disturbing. I would be a buyer at 208, partially, for damn sure........personally, don't think one should ever be out of the market-that's the epitome of ego. BUT, do what makes us sleep at night, value in that. Personally, im in a substantial cash position. I don't see myself as an 'idiot' for this, rather.. more comfortable
 

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if we are going to predict going forward should we not use historical data? Or does one's beliefs trump that? 'no way that's bullshit, it's different now...!!!!!!!!!!!! '?


over the last 90 years the market has lost 20% or more 4.5 % of the time.


SPY is at 227

20% correction puts you at 181. Ask yourself this...would you buy then? OR would you be even MORE scared and wait for it fall further?.......psychology is neat
 

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if we are going to predict going forward should we not use historical data? Or does one's beliefs trump that? 'no way that's bullshit, it's different now...!!!!!!!!!!!! '?


over the last 90 years the market has lost 20% or more 4.5 % of the time.


SPY is at 227

20% correction puts you at 181. Ask yourself this...would you buy then? OR would you be even MORE scared and wait for it fall further?.......psychology is neat

There is a lot of historical data that says we're way overbought based on fundamentals. P/E, CAPE, gutting fixed income just to get these valuations, etc

We'll see what happens. If you come with a few trillion in deficit spending then you can probably keep the party going I'm sure. Tough to say.

That's the thing about bubbles, they can go on a lot longer than people think. Just because something is overbought doesn't mean it can't get more overbought.

One of the smartest things I've heard lately is that the wisdom of crowds only has value if the crowds form their opinion independently. When you get groupthink where everyone is optimistic or thinks 1 thing is going to happen, sometimes that opinion is not as strong as it appears because everyone is just reinforcing for one another.
 

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'One of the smartest things I've heard lately is that the wisdom of crowds only has value if the crowds form their opinion independently'

lol. Then use tech analysis for an entry point . As it sounds like you're looking for confirmation of opinion. NO ONE knows where the bottom is..:)....the last year has shown you this. Take ego away
 

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'One of the smartest things I've heard lately is that the wisdom of crowds only has value if the crowds form their opinion independently'

lol. Then use tech analysis for an entry point . As it sounds like you're looking for confirmation of opinion. NO ONE knows where the bottom is..:)....the last year has shown you this. Take ego away

I'm more comfortable looking at fundamental analysis and think it pertains to long-term investing more than tech analysis though. So if you had a correction I think that is what I'd lean on.

And as far as the 4.5%/20% over 90 years, that's one way to look at it. But another way is that over the last 20 years we've had 3 business cycles start and the first 2 ended with the S&P losing 50% and 60% respectively. And both of these downturns were met with considerable fiscal and monetary stimulus or the downturns would've been steeper.

If that happens again, can we keep deficit spending and cutting rates to recovery? I dunno, as far as monetary policy goes we're in pretty uncharted territory here.

So in term of a macro-thesis, is the fed/gov't debt/bond bubble on par with the tech bubble or the housing bubble? You're right, I don't really know where the bottom is but it's definitely a worthy proposition to consider.
 

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k, Then what's your plan?

what you doing with your money? Sports gambling is silly. Or its not? Real estate? GIC? under the mattress? wait for the 20 +% correction? .......stay stagnant..cant make a call, let my bank take my money and for bloody hell , what can I bet on today?
 

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k, Then what's your plan?

what you doing with your money? Sports gambling is silly. Or its not? Real estate? GIC? under the mattress? wait for the 20 +% correction? .......stay stagnant..cant make a call, let my bank take my money and for bloody hell , what can I bet on today?

I agree letting inflation erode cash isn't ideal obviously but sometimes you just have to go with your opinions. Sure some days you are thinking you need the straight jacket but what can you do?

And I'm not completely out, I have a handful of tech stocks. Call it a hedge incase the drop never comes.

What do you think about the current valuations?
 

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valuations? don't be silly. OPINION!!!!!!!!!! Stay in the game. Have cash on the sidelines. Have my money in the game,but has to EARN me money-- dividends/interest. Note, I HAVE BEEN WRONG all along, as im a gross fiscal conservative - as you know these fuckers have tossed us to the woodshed. BUT, have had a % in the market in case i'm wrong. They adapt, kick the can............ have forgiven my ideologies ....
 

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15-20 years ago, man use to be to give a local bank monies in promise of security AND ROI of 5%+? Now? LOL, the common folk have no place to park monies. heck, they battle to meet mortgage payments, banks provide less than 1% in savings..bond yields similar. Fixed income? fuck off, roll the dice in the market to beat inflation

how sick has N America become? FUCKIN HATE having a pessimistic view .........slowly kills..........



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want to talk about how 'irrational' markets can become?

i give you the Great White North. Get's rid of its right leaning govt that JUST ran a fantastic surplus. Its market , the TSX TANKED 11% in '15. They send Mr Harper packing for a '15 yr old looking-blue tattooed spender',.........the son of a former Prime Minister . Disaster for the market , no? The TSX is LEADING the G7 in market returns for 2016: OVER 20% ytd!!!!! Keep in mind this is a country with a potential housing crisis (mortgage debt has doubled in a DECADE), highest household debt in country history AND RISING YIELDS over the last month . Less than 2% growth.............See how fundamental analysis can often shit the bed?
 

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Rumor has it......Very possible it hits 20,000 on Wednesday.....Stay tuned we$$$we$$$

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