OK so here's the scenario.
Mid-stages of a tournament, far from the money (I'll take ICM out of it to make this easier on you)
Blinds are 500/1k with a 100 ante.
You have 22k chips (after your ante and blind) and KJo in the big blind.
It folds to the cutoff, who shoves 11k, and then it folds to you.
Question 1 (easy) - what are your immediate pot odds
Question 2 (harder) - what is the minimum equity you need to make a call +EV
Question 3 - how do you range this opponent (doesn't really matter, just make up a theoretically feasible range)
Question 4 (no cheating using pokerstove) - What is your equity vs his range
I think most players understand that if your answer to #4 is > your answer to #2 you should call. And that your answer to #4 depends on your answer to #3. But what are the answers?
Good tournament players make the mathematically correct play here, they don't only trust their gut. And they have a good idea of the answers to all 4 questions without using a calculator or any other tools, and base their decision in that math.
So which is it? Call or fold? And why?
You have 20 seconds
You are saying you are not a math-based player. Fine.
But you also said the math was easy and that any recreational player could figure it out in his head in 20 seconds.
So just humor me and figure it out. I mean, it's not like it's a Rubix cube after all.
Is it a mathematically correct fold?
Do as you please. It's your world Chop, I'm just livin' in it.
It's just an illustration that the math is not always elementary, so to speak. And this is like, the simplest of situations. I even made the stack sizes and blinds nice even numbers for easy head math.
Change your hand to JJ and add in a flat call by the button who has a bigger stack than you, and some ICM considerations...and then we have an actual discussion. This one is child's play.
On 2nd thought maybe a shouldn't .
The question seemed to have changed the thread.
Vit must be busy
Total fucking scumbag. You spend all day calling me names for being here too much....I'm gone for 5 minutes and you mention it.
I could have easily looked up the answer to his little quiz in the 5 mins I was gone....so the easy answer doesn't matter now does it?
total lie with your poker pro nonsense....you just make shit up by the hour now
Sure it does. Prove you can answer it.
Obviously you were wrong when you said all poker math was simple and could be done in 20 seconds.
But if you can't even answer it now, with all the time in the world, and using whatever cheat tools you want to use - well, can you at least concede you were maybe a little wrong on the whole "poker math is easy" thing?
We'll wait until tomorrow.
whether it was mathematically correct to call I could have answered rather quickly. But I think I will wait till later this week to answer it....just to make sure.....and it will give some of these guys something to talk about. They can say " see he can't figure it out"..... Sounds like a good time to me.
