I don't recall where I stated it was 99% skill, or any specific number/breakdown. I don't think I made any claims other than to say skill was a factor. So, ya know, I appreciate you making some shit up to self-affirm your ramblings.
That said, to discount skill all together is pretty retarded. To point to Gold or Moneymaker's WSOP wins - or any ONE tournament - as evidence that poker is nothing but a luckfest shows an underdeveloped level of thinking, even for you.
Negreanu is down to the final 27 of the main event right now. Is he just one of the lucky ones? Over and over and over again? Of course not. Hellmuth has won 14 bracelets not because of skill but purely because of dumb luck? OK.
The truth is the skilled players put themselves in better positions more frequently, which over time net out to better results. The short-term variance will never go away, but neither will the long-term edge gained by a good player. Surely you can understand and agree with that.
Its like anything else.....the more you do it....the more you see....the better you get. That said....you can lose to a guy playing his first hand. That's why the skill part of it doesn't matchup with other things. I play hoops but I'm not beating Michael Jordan in a game.....but I can bust Phil Helmuth any day of the week by just getting lucky.
So while skill is a part of it.....I think poker players especially, think it requires more skill than it does.
Guess we will have to disagree on whether or not it is a "huge element", cause I say most definitely yes it is. I find it shocking that a self-proclaimed winning player could possibly disagree.
And what's "weird" is that you had to call me self-delusional to try to make your simple point.
That's several times in this thread you have accused me of not grasping what you were saying - apparently patronizing other posters is just one of the many desirable traits you bring to the table as a poster. Trust me, I'm following along just fine.
I'll just assume this was all some giant trolling exercise. Thanks for helping me waste an afternoon.
You're confusing the variance inherent to a single hand or game of poker with the long-term edge that skill gives a player over a large sample.
Quite simple-minded you are. Weird that you can't grasp the difference, yet you've made a fortune playing poker and are deeply entrenched in the poker community. What a fucking joke.
No, you're still not grasping it at all. Do you know there are tons of poker players that have made fortunes over this past decade.....many who have a below average skill set?
there is no argument that a skilled player will give himself a better chance to win over the long run but luck still remains a huge factor. Do you know how many so called pros go dead broke after winning huge sums of money? Did they all the sudden lose their skill? Of course they didn't....and I won't be one of those guys.
oh and your "trolling" comment which seems like an rx favorite.....lacks punch considering I'm just responding to what you're asking or saying. Maybe you should check the definition of that
Wow
Your knowledge is so low on this subject you don't even realize you are exposing yourself.
I'm a baseball expert.
I was watching a baseball game the other day.
They said some dude had 4 RBIs
whats an RBI
Yes I'm in expert just never heard that term before
But it baseball has made me millions.
But I'm still an expert on baseball I just don't know what an RBI.
Other then that I'm world class.
Trust me
You tried that one yesterday.....it didn't work then either. You're really just a wannabe that doesn't know nearly what you think you do.
Ive had these exact discussions with people in poker rooms you couldn't even get into......and people that have earned more than you'll ever see in the game. Sorry to have to be the one to tell you this.
But hey, if the guys in a free roll at rx day different.....than stick with them.
You have to realize HarryCaray (maybe you already have), this guy sits in here literally all day long, almost every day, just trolling people.
He literally doesn't care if we all realize that he's a complete douche, day after day, it's the same bullshit.
I don't believe his pathological lying for a second.
What person in their right mind, who made enough money not to work, would sit here here trolling people in here all day long?
Maybe that's the point, he's not in his right mind...
Yea it did work.
Everyone reading your post in this thread realizes you don't know what you are talking about .
The only one that does not realize that is you.
You use guilt by association way too much.
You have a habit of grouping people I have noticed.
I have agreed with you plenty of times in the past .
If you say the sky is blue I will agree with you.
The fact that you group me with 6 people who happen to be right about a particular subject does not mean I'm in step with them on all other issues like you imply .
Same can be said for the fact that I disagree with you on this subject does not mean I disagree with you on every subject.
But when you do make that implication it makes you look dumb and small minded .
Well.....when you think because a few other people have the same opinion as you....and that makes it correct....then you become them.
I know plenty of people who feel just like me on this subject.....so stop acting like I'm out on some island. And I'm talking about real people...not lunatics like sheriff joe and festering idiot.
