TOTHETOP said:
What I tried to post earlier was that I have read the Bible cover to cover 3 times, and I still don't believe in God. I definitely don't believe in organized religion, I think it is the biggest and most successful scam ever perpetrated on the masses in history.
JMO, to each his own. :toast:
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I don't even know what to think. I can really see every view point.
1) The Human Body is an unbelievably complex, incredible "creation". The circulatory system, the eyeball, anything with the body. Immune system. White and red blood cells. Really hard to imagine that it just evolved. "Science" tries to prove the answers factually, which brings me to my next point...
2) Who do we as a human race think we are? Do we think we have all of the answers? Do we think we have some ultra-powerful brain?
a) Pro-God - A dog has no idea that math exists. A dog just cannot comprehend e=mc(2)squared. Why as humans do we think we have all of the answers? That God must have a creator in order to exist. What if the universe just "is", it has no beginning it had no end. We are just mammals. We sniff our own farts, we pick our noses. We aren't some incredibly intellectual beings. We just have self-awareness. We dont have all of the answers, and Im sure there are things on this in this universe that we'll simply never understand. Does that actually mean we have a soul? Hmmmm.
b) Atheist - Survival of the fittest, evolution, etc. Why could this have not have happened? Who is to say that it couldnt have happened? Am I trusting any scientists theory whatsoever that can disprove this train of thought? No, he's just human. As a race, we have never had all of the answers. Everyone thought the world was flat. So, I'm not about to put all of my trust into something like a "theory" that states Darwins theory couldnt have happened...... Amoeba. 2 million years later, after weathering hardships, changing environments, and gathering nutrients, it grows bigger. 2 million years later same deal, now it's growing ways to move faster. It weathers other creatures, and begins to develop a defense (immune system). Etc etc. Hey, it could have happened. I'm not closing my mind to that. Black holes exist. I think thats far crazier than an amoeba evolving, and we are just scratching the surface with things going on in the universe.
3) Why is believing in God the most important issue of religion? There are far more important things. I'm not going to say what God is like, or what "He" wants. But, come on. He created the eyeball, the liver, the immune system. He sets up the world, with vast oceans, and animals, and all sorts of beautiful things. And after all of this work, all of this creation, he says...."OK, go out there and believe in me!!!! Thats all I care about!!!! I love you all, and by the way if you dont believe in me, I'm gonna burn you all in hell." Heaven, hell? I dont know. Sounds really more like a way to control society.
In 8000BC, you have a bunch of people running around with no government, no police, no jail. Some are a little slick, a little smarter than the rest of the pack. They are just discovering fire which becomes their ultimate hunting weapon. They didnt know how to make bows and arrows, or anything like that. And lightning strikes a tree and fire is created, to give them the idea and by some spontaneous event, they create manmade fire. They use this to corner animals, to hunt. It becomes the most feared thing on this earth. So, people are killing each other randomly. Bad things are happening with no civilized way of life. They need a way to control people, so they say "I spoke to God, I know, nobody else saw it but me, and he says no more killing each other or you go to hell where there is lots of fire." Everyone else says..."no way...there is no God. I havnt seen anything." And the slick guy says, "yes there is. im telling you, there is a god, how do you think he told me all of this?" This argument goes on for a longtime, until the slick guy finally alters his hell, to include heaven. "Actually, if you kill people you go to hell, but now God says if you dont believe in him then you go to hell, and if you do believe him in you go to heaven."
Thats why believing in him is so important. Back when the slick guy introduced the concept of God, nobody believed him. So his control methods couldnt work if they didnt believe he existed in the first place. Thats why it became the most important aspect of religion. If you dont believe in something, the control structure doesnt work.
4) God created man in his own image.....man is mortal. Is God dead? Does God die?
5) What about dinosaurs? Do we just ignore those little facts when we discuss religion? Adam and Eve were the first two on the planet, but fact shows dinosaurs existed. No mention of them anywhere. Maybe I'll get the God works in mysterious ways cop-out for that one.
6) Sounds "far-fetched" to some. But maybe "aliens" created us to populate this planet. If the universe is as big as it is, big beyond our comprehension, and has been around as long as it has, longer than our comprehension, how could we be the only place that God "populated" or where amoebas evolved? Maybe there is a far more advanced civilization, exploring the universe, populating it with members of their society. Whether you believe there is an invisible man in the sky putting your soul on clouds or into fire depending on whether or not you believe in his existence, or you believe that some crazy explosion happened from which spawned an amoeba which spawned the crazy human body, surely this cant seem to far-fetched.
1) The Human Body is an unbelievably complex, incredible "creation". The circulatory system, the eyeball, anything with the body. Immune system. White and red blood cells. Really hard to imagine that it just evolved. "Science" tries to prove the answers factually, which brings me to my next point...
2) Who do we as a human race think we are? Do we think we have all of the answers? Do we think we have some ultra-powerful brain?
a) Pro-God - A dog has no idea that math exists. A dog just cannot comprehend e=mc(2)squared. Why as humans do we think we have all of the answers? That God must have a creator in order to exist. What if the universe just "is", it has no beginning it had no end. We are just mammals. We sniff our own farts, we pick our noses. We aren't some incredibly intellectual beings. We just have self-awareness. We dont have all of the answers, and Im sure there are things on this in this universe that we'll simply never understand. Does that actually mean we have a soul? Hmmmm.
b) Atheist - Survival of the fittest, evolution, etc. Why could this have not have happened? Who is to say that it couldnt have happened? Am I trusting any scientists theory whatsoever that can disprove this train of thought? No, he's just human. As a race, we have never had all of the answers. Everyone thought the world was flat. So, I'm not about to put all of my trust into something like a "theory" that states Darwins theory couldnt have happened...... Amoeba. 2 million years later, after weathering hardships, changing environments, and gathering nutrients, it grows bigger. 2 million years later same deal, now it's growing ways to move faster. It weathers other creatures, and begins to develop a defense (immune system). Etc etc. Hey, it could have happened. I'm not closing my mind to that. Black holes exist. I think thats far crazier than an amoeba evolving, and we are just scratching the surface with things going on in the universe.
3) Why is believing in God the most important issue of religion? There are far more important things. I'm not going to say what God is like, or what "He" wants. But, come on. He created the eyeball, the liver, the immune system. He sets up the world, with vast oceans, and animals, and all sorts of beautiful things. And after all of this work, all of this creation, he says...."OK, go out there and believe in me!!!! Thats all I care about!!!! I love you all, and by the way if you dont believe in me, I'm gonna burn you all in hell." Heaven, hell? I dont know. Sounds really more like a way to control society.
In 8000BC, you have a bunch of people running around with no government, no police, no jail. Some are a little slick, a little smarter than the rest of the pack. They are just discovering fire which becomes their ultimate hunting weapon. They didnt know how to make bows and arrows, or anything like that. And lightning strikes a tree and fire is created, to give them the idea and by some spontaneous event, they create manmade fire. They use this to corner animals, to hunt. It becomes the most feared thing on this earth. So, people are killing each other randomly. Bad things are happening with no civilized way of life. They need a way to control people, so they say "I spoke to God, I know, nobody else saw it but me, and he says no more killing each other or you go to hell where there is lots of fire." Everyone else says..."no way...there is no God. I havnt seen anything." And the slick guy says, "yes there is. im telling you, there is a god, how do you think he told me all of this?" This argument goes on for a longtime, until the slick guy finally alters his hell, to include heaven. "Actually, if you kill people you go to hell, but now God says if you dont believe in him then you go to hell, and if you do believe him in you go to heaven."
Thats why believing in him is so important. Back when the slick guy introduced the concept of God, nobody believed him. So his control methods couldnt work if they didnt believe he existed in the first place. Thats why it became the most important aspect of religion. If you dont believe in something, the control structure doesnt work.
4) God created man in his own image.....man is mortal. Is God dead? Does God die?
5) What about dinosaurs? Do we just ignore those little facts when we discuss religion? Adam and Eve were the first two on the planet, but fact shows dinosaurs existed. No mention of them anywhere. Maybe I'll get the God works in mysterious ways cop-out for that one.
6) Sounds "far-fetched" to some. But maybe "aliens" created us to populate this planet. If the universe is as big as it is, big beyond our comprehension, and has been around as long as it has, longer than our comprehension, how could we be the only place that God "populated" or where amoebas evolved? Maybe there is a far more advanced civilization, exploring the universe, populating it with members of their society. Whether you believe there is an invisible man in the sky putting your soul on clouds or into fire depending on whether or not you believe in his existence, or you believe that some crazy explosion happened from which spawned an amoeba which spawned the crazy human body, surely this cant seem to far-fetched.
Gyno, you got mail.
By the way, as I stated, I dont know where I stand whether or not there is a God. There may or may not be.
If there is a God, is there necessarily an afterlife? There may or may not be.
But what I do know, well, not KNOW, but what I believe, is that the 'ticket' to heaven is certainly not whether or not you believe in God. As I mentioned above, if you don't believe something exists, like God, and heaven and hell, then the control structure doesnt work. People would just dismiss everything, the Bible, the 10 commandments, whatever. Thats why it became the most important aspect of religion. In reality, the ticket to heaven, if it exists, can be so many more important things such as:
-Simply reproducing. If you have a child, and you continue the human race you did your job on this earth. (Always a loophole, what if a man has low sperm count or something).
- Not killing anybody. Don't hinder the human race. (schizo)
- Helping others. Serving your role in society.
Maybe life is a gift, a miracle, and your time on this planet is your playground. You are given the gift of life, and all good things must come to an end. So, enjoy this gift while you have it.
By the way, as I stated, I dont know where I stand whether or not there is a God. There may or may not be.
If there is a God, is there necessarily an afterlife? There may or may not be.
But what I do know, well, not KNOW, but what I believe, is that the 'ticket' to heaven is certainly not whether or not you believe in God. As I mentioned above, if you don't believe something exists, like God, and heaven and hell, then the control structure doesnt work. People would just dismiss everything, the Bible, the 10 commandments, whatever. Thats why it became the most important aspect of religion. In reality, the ticket to heaven, if it exists, can be so many more important things such as:
-Simply reproducing. If you have a child, and you continue the human race you did your job on this earth. (Always a loophole, what if a man has low sperm count or something).
- Not killing anybody. Don't hinder the human race. (schizo)
- Helping others. Serving your role in society.
Maybe life is a gift, a miracle, and your time on this planet is your playground. You are given the gift of life, and all good things must come to an end. So, enjoy this gift while you have it.
Well the Catholic Church was supposed to be the manifestation of God on Earth I believe, and Jesus did say in the Bible "What you hold true on Earth, I shall hold true in Heaven." The truth is the Bible is very flawed, look at some of the books left out of the NT like Gospel of the Egyptians and Revelation of Peter, etc. They were left out because they were somewhat contradictory. The truth is religion is inherently flawed because it was created by man, not by God. Men wrote the laws and claimed that God proclaimed them.
I am glad 
God did not create man, man created god
Of course there is no god anybody with any common sense at all would see this I mean just try and think about this from a logical point of view its stupid.
I give religion maybe another hundred years or so before it basicly all gone in this part of the world I'm guessing a little longer over in mental land the mid east.
Of course there is no god anybody with any common sense at all would see this I mean just try and think about this from a logical point of view its stupid.
I give religion maybe another hundred years or so before it basicly all gone in this part of the world I'm guessing a little longer over in mental land the mid east.
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It's not like leprachauns at the end of the rainbow. I DESBELIEVE in that, i.e., I would make an argument that leprachauns definitely do not exist.
That is not how I view the existence of God.
Here is my bottom line:
I don't know if he exists or not. I have no idea what happens to you after you die. And anyone who pretends they do, is foolish. Anyone who will tell you with a straight face that they know, FOR A FACT, what happens to you after you die, is... well, lets just say I don't understand how you could do that.
Sorry if that offends anyone.
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<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->Not really. I don't believe in God, but I don'd disbelieve in him. I would not make an argument that he does not exist.
It's not like leprachauns at the end of the rainbow. I DESBELIEVE in that, i.e., I would make an argument that leprachauns definitely do not exist.
That is not how I view the existence of God.
Here is my bottom line:
I don't know if he exists or not. I have no idea what happens to you after you die. And anyone who pretends they do, is foolish. Anyone who will tell you with a straight face that they know, FOR A FACT, what happens to you after you die, is... well, lets just say I don't understand how you could do that.
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HarryCaray said:
I meant the idea of god in general is stupid not your stupid if you believe in god.
About religion dying its probaly not gonna completely die not any time soon anyway but say 100 years from now your not gonna have a very high percent of people still going to church or even giving a shit about religion.
One other note on religion and stuff organized religion is the biggest scam of all time, my opinion on it is that organized religion was only created for money and power and thats it.
