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i think the line is right. Manning is facing a defense not even close to anything he has seen in years. The only people who can move on this defense are guys like Kapernink who can move out and run and these types have trouble moving. Manning will be sitting duck. This defense is nasty and can actually cover people. This isn't New England where Manning can sit back there all day and chose who he wants to throw to because everyone is open.

Agreed - he either gets pulverized (and my guess is it will hurt) or that YPA is going to go wayyyyyy down. This is the most complete team DEN will play the whole year and it will be obvious
 

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I would imagine the '85 bears were a huge public play!

I don't think many of the talking heads or services will pick Seattle
 

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Seattle has led the league in yards per play differential all year, in the best conference in the NFL, and now they're catching points on a neutral field? Where do I sign up?
 

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i think the line is right. Manning is facing a defense not even close to anything he has seen in years. The only people who can move on this defense are guys like Kapernink who can move out and run and these types have trouble moving. Manning will be sitting duck. This defense is nasty and can actually cover people. This isn't New England where Manning can sit back there all day and chose who he wants to throw to because everyone is open.

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Pete Carroll will know that Seattle's power and pressure will not be as effective if he can't disrupt Manning's quick reading, pinpoint placement and touch. The Seahawks are the best tackling team in the league, but if Manning gets the ball out in under three seconds and can connect on those 8-18 yard routes, Seattle will be in big trouble. That's why I think the Seahawks will likely play a lot of press coverage and try to jam Denver's WRs at the line...to give their DL time to get after Manning. That's what this game will come down to...whether Seattle's defensive line can get into Denver's backfield and knock Manning on his ass. This isn't Kaepernick, either...if Seattle's defense can get anywhere near Manning, he's going down immediately. Manning hasn't been sacked much lately, but I'd be stunned if the Seahawks don't get to him at least a few times (can't wait to see the prop on Seattle sacks).
 

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i think the line is right. Manning is facing a defense not even close to anything he has seen in years. The only people who can move on this defense are guys like Kapernink who can move out and run and these types have trouble moving. Manning will be sitting duck. This defense is nasty and can actually cover people. This isn't New England where Manning can sit back there all day and chose who he wants to throw to because everyone is open.
correct, I agree....
 

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i think the line is right. Manning is facing a defense not even close to anything he has seen in years. The only people who can move on this defense are guys like Kapernink who can move out and run and these types have trouble moving. Manning will be sitting duck. This defense is nasty and can actually cover people. This isn't New England where Manning can sit back there all day and chose who he wants to throw to because everyone is open.

And Seattle has not faced an offense like this all year.

Guys, seriously, as many arguments as you can make for Seattle, you can flip the script and make them for Denver.

Denver's defense is pretty damned good, and you have a Seattle offense that is pedestrian, but gets the job done.

How many 6'4 and 6'5 athletic pass catching stud TE's has Seattle faced this year? Is Sherman going to cover J or D Thomas in the slot? Mismatches all over the field in Denver's favor, most of all at the QB position.

I have not made a play yet, and I am not sure what my play will be. I respect all the names in this thread but playing Devil's advocate because this happens a lot after a huge emotional game like the SF Seattle game.
 

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I would take the better defense and better running game. But I do get the feeling that the nfl gets what they want and something tells me goodell wants a manning win.

the X factor

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Just off the top of my head i can think of several Super Bowls that likely had more lopsided betting pools than this one will have. ... Maybe even one with Denver when they played Atlanta. ....And i know some of those frisco super bowls were very lopsided , and of course the all time upset with Namath over the Colts.

I DO like Denver here , but Seattle will get plenty of backing , no way will this be the most public Super Bowl ever.
 

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Denver and Seattle regular season

Rushing defense tied for 7th in the league at 101 yards per game

Passing defense Seattle #1 at 172 yds per game
Denver #26 at 254 yds per game
 

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And Seattle has not faced an offense like this all year.

Guys, seriously, as many arguments as you can make for Seattle, you can flip the script and make them for Denver.

Denver's defense is pretty damned good, and you have a Seattle offense that is pedestrian, but gets the job done.

How many 6'4 and 6'5 athletic pass catching stud TE's has Seattle faced this year? Is Sherman going to cover J or D Thomas in the slot? Mismatches all over the field in Denver's favor, most of all at the QB position.

I have not made a play yet, and I am not sure what my play will be. I respect all the names in this thread but playing Devil's advocate because this happens a lot after a huge emotional game like the SF Seattle game.
Thank you. I was about to add something to that extent.
SEA hasnt a faced an offence like this. They are in for their toughest test yet. And they better be sure they wont be getting away with all the extra contact beyond 5 yards in the SB.
 

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Thank you. I was about to add something to that extent.
SEA hasnt a faced an offence like this. They are in for their toughest test yet. And they better be sure they wont be getting away with all the extra contact beyond 5 yards in the SB.

Say what...? Didn't they face the Saints twice...and pretty much shut them down both times?
 

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Seattle may not have faced an offense like this very often, but over the last 2 years, their defense has been super consistent- and consistent vs. very good offenses. They only gave up 317 yards in their road loss to Indy this year, had a poor 1st half last year in the playoffs to Atlanta(though dominated the 2nd half) and a bad performance in Detroit last year- giving up over 400 yards. Other than those 3 games, their defense always keeps them in the game, often causing turnovers, and many times allows them to win going away. Denver might win, but I actually think Seattle has a better chance of winning by blowout than Denver does(although a large margin of victory is unlikely for either team). They will have to collapse Manning's pocket at times and press cover on those 5-15 yard passes(which they do better than anyone) to win this game.
 

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Agree with all of them, and I'll add two more:

Weather: Seattle (big). It's going to be cold in NYC, and I'm not sold that Denver's offense can operate at peak efficiency against a defense like this.

Strength of Schedule: Seattle (big). Sorry, but can someone tell me who Denver's signature win came against this year? The Chiefs were nowhere as good as their fast start indicated. The Chargers -- historic underachievers -- were probably within a 3rd and 18 defensive stop of sending the divisional round to OT, and the Patriots were very banged up and overrated coming into the AFC title game. Denver's schedule as a whole is marshmallow soft.

I'm starting to lean towards going very, very big on Seattle. Just wondering if I'm missing something obvious.

I'm going big on Seattle. I would go bigger if the game was this Sunday. Giving Manning two weeks worries me a little but still will be pounding Seattle. Manning will get hit on 2-2.
 

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And Seattle has not faced an offense like this all year.

Guys, seriously, as many arguments as you can make for Seattle, you can flip the script and make them for Denver.

Denver's defense is pretty damned good, and you have a Seattle offense that is pedestrian, but gets the job done.

How many 6'4 and 6'5 athletic pass catching stud TE's has Seattle faced this year? Is Sherman going to cover J or D Thomas in the slot? Mismatches all over the field in Denver's favor, most of all at the QB position.

I have not made a play yet, and I am not sure what my play will be. I respect all the names in this thread but playing Devil's advocate because this happens a lot after a huge emotional game like the SF Seattle game.

Good defense beats good offenses in every sport. I would Say New Orleans offense is just as good as Denver's because Breeze can move around the pocket. Breeze got shut down twice. If Breeze was as stationary as Manning than i would say the Denver offense is better. The bottom line is that Manning has thrown against absolute garbage this year. Nothing like this. The only defense worth a piss was KC and we saw how good they are against Indy.
 

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Seattle may not have faced an offense like this very often, but over the last 2 years, their defense has been super consistent- and consistent vs. very good offenses. They only gave up 317 yards in their road loss to Indy this year, had a poor 1st half last year in the playoffs to Atlanta(though dominated the 2nd half) and a bad performance in Detroit last year- giving up over 400 yards. Other than those 3 games, their defense always keeps them in the game, often causing turnovers, and many times allows them to win going away. Denver might win, but I actually think Seattle has a better chance of winning by blowout than Denver does(although a large margin of victory is unlikely for either team). They will have to collapse Manning's pocket at times and press cover on those 5-15 yard passes(which they do better than anyone) to win this game.


o fred,

Read your analysis on your thread and think it's dead on. It's pretty rare that all arrows are pointing to one team, but for me, they're pointing to the northwest in this game. I'm not suggesting it's inconceivable Denver wins this game...it's just that almost every factor seems to be in Seattle's favor. Before I play a game, I always try to look at both sides and find reasons to play each team. I've found only one for Denver: if Seattle gets down big, then their offense isn't really built to come back. Barring multiple turnovers in their own red zone, I just can't see any team posting a huge early lead on the Seahawks.

Think about this: books try to get balanced action on games, but they aren't doing that this time. The line opened at Seattle -1 or so...and there has already been an avalanche of Denver money coming in. They are going to be exposed big time on Denver money...and there has to be a reason they're doing that. I don't put a great deal of stock in just blindly fading the public since they win their fair share of games...but this line suggests an enormous public trap to me. If you play Seattle, you're going to be on the house's side....and they don't lose all that often.
 

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o fred,

Read your analysis on your thread and think it's dead on. It's pretty rare that all arrows are pointing to one team, but for me, they're pointing to the northwest in this game. I'm not suggesting it's inconceivable Denver wins this game...it's just that almost every factor seems to be in Seattle's favor. Before I play a game, I always try to look at both sides and find reasons to play each team. I've found only one for Denver: if Seattle gets down big, then their offense isn't really built to come back. Barring multiple turnovers in their own red zone, I just can't see any team posting a huge early lead on the Seahawks.

Think about this: books try to get balanced action on games, but they aren't doing that this time. The line opened at Seattle -1 or so...and there has already been an avalanche of Denver money coming in. They are going to be exposed big time on Denver money...and there has to be a reason they're doing that. I don't put a great deal of stock in just blindly fading the public since they win their fair share of games...but this line suggests an enormous public trap to me. If you play Seattle, you're going to be on the house's side....and they don't lose all that often.

the books trying to get equal action on both sides might be the dumbest thing these linesmakers ever got the public to believe. I can't even believe there are guys left that believe this crock of crap.
 

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o fred,

Read your analysis on your thread and think it's dead on. It's pretty rare that all arrows are pointing to one team, but for me, they're pointing to the northwest in this game. I'm not suggesting it's inconceivable Denver wins this game...it's just that almost every factor seems to be in Seattle's favor. Before I play a game, I always try to look at both sides and find reasons to play each team. I've found only one for Denver: if Seattle gets down big, then their offense isn't really built to come back. Barring multiple turnovers in their own red zone, I just can't see any team posting a huge early lead on the Seahawks.

Think about this: books try to get balanced action on games, but they aren't doing that this time. The line opened at Seattle -1 or so...and there has already been an avalanche of Denver money coming in. They are going to be exposed big time on Denver money...and there has to be a reason they're doing that. I don't put a great deal of stock in just blindly fading the public since they win their fair share of games...but this line suggests an enormous public trap to me. If you play Seattle, you're going to be on the house's side....and they don't lose all that often.
Got to believe they want Denver money even now. Already about 80% of the plays on Denver, and yet the line sits at 2.5. They are offering all the money you want to play on Denver at less than a field goal! How enticing is that? I'm starting to believe this line will never get to 3, or the books would get some large sharp players on Seattle. Not that I believe the books know who will win, but I just think (considering all the information available) that Seattle wins. Brees was much more mobile than Manning, and even he couldn't get much going vs. Seattle- except when they were down by 2 TDs in the 4th quarter in their 2nd game. In the 1st game, it was over by halftime. Denver is a consistently strong offense, but I believe Seattle hits another level when they play these more meaningful games. Remind of the 2 Giant teams in last 5 years and the Ravens last year. Both teams had that defensive/ team intensity that shines in these type of games.
 

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How many 6'4 and 6'5 athletic pass catching stud TE's has Seattle faced this year? Is Sherman going to cover J or D Thomas in the slot? Mismatches all over the field in Denver's favor, most of all at the QB position.

Couldn't disagree more here. They've played Vernon Davis three times, Jimmy Graham twice, Greg Olsen and Tony Gonzalez.

They also run extremely deep in their secondary. They have 4 CB's (Was 5 before Browner suspension) that could all start in the NFL and going 4 deep at CB doesn't even account for their safeties. They can cover each and every Bronco receiver. The underlying factor here is their physicality. Decker, Welker, Thomas x 2 and co. will all be in for a long day.
 

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Say what...? Didn't they face the Saints twice...and pretty much shut them down both times?
Cmon. Dont compare this years NO team to DEN.
 

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Heres something i thought was interesting. Seattle does not have one player with Super Bowl experience. Denver has many.
 

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