Connecting the dots on Hillary Clinton

[russ1945]

Hillary finally hands over server -- after it's professionally wiped clean!
Intelligence community wants security clearance suspended...
Majority support CRIMINAL PROBE...
Classified data found on emails in May...






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[russ1945]

Do you have any idea how serious what she did is?
This could compromise Americas national security.
Its boarderline treason.
Its one of the poorest examples of poor judgment I've ever seen by a high ranking person.

She may be lucky to stay out of prison .

And I'm not one of these people who looks for any excuse to throw someone under the bus anytime I find an excuse.

This is some serious shit.

That is exactly why I started this thread. What she did was done with poor judgement and without any regard for the consequences this nation might face due to her disregard for security and transparency. She will not go to prison but she should be barred from ever running for public office or holding a government job and should lose all benefits that she has coming for doing both in the past. She is the ultimate elitist and she feels she is above the law. If that server was wiped clean by professionals after all this time it tells you all you need to know. China and Russia probably have all that info. We should offer a reward for the recovery all those emails. She won't drop out of the running because that would be an admission of guilt so to speak but if she continues on the current path all she is doing is putting off the unavoidable. Would an innocent person destroy their emails and their server. Can't wait till Trey sits her down and puts her down.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Yeah, that pay to play stuff runs wild on local level. Pretty unreal to watch guys spend a 30k to win township commissioner for 1,200 yearly salary.

Russ add this guy to your list of blacks who get it. Right next to Ben Carson and Thomas Sowell....

 

[russ1945]

Russ add this guy to your list of blacks who get it. Right next to Ben Carson and Thomas Sowell....

What did you think about last nights game

 

[russ1945]

[h=2]Pardon Hillary Now[/h]Column: A presidential pardon is the only way to save Hillary Clinton’s campaign
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BY: Matthew Continetti
August 14, 2015 5:00 am

Robby Mook, Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, wrote a six-page memo to “Interested Parties” Wednesday on the state of the 2016 presidential race. His message: Everything is under control. “While we always have, and continue to, anticipate a very competitive race,” Mook wrote, “Hillary stands today in a very enviable position.”
He’s got to be kidding. Clinton faces mounting political and legal challenges that threaten her bid for the White House and the Democratic hold on the presidency. Her favorable ratings have tanked. Voters find her untrustworthy. She can’t fill overflow seats, but her socialist opponent enjoys huge crowds. Vice President Biden is thinking of challenging her. She’s the most inaccessible and aloof candidate running today.
And those aren’t her biggest problems. More worrisome for Clinton is the federal investigation into whether her private email server compromised national security. After months of resistance, she finally turned over the hardware, along with two thumb-drives of emails that Clinton lawyer David Kendall has been keeping, to the FBI. This week the bureau also visited a Colorado company that handled the emails. Clinton’s top aide, Huma Abedin, is lawyering up.
Clinton maintains she followed the rules. But she’s been proven wrong before. Who knows what the FBI and intelligence community might find—or how it might affect her campaign.
What Clinton needs most of all is a way out, a means of escape. Before she can recover politically, the legal uncertainty must end. And the only way to end it is a presidential pardon. Clinton’s future isn’t only tied to President Obama’s job approval and economic performance. It’s also tied to his compassion. Obama alone can resuscitate Hillary’s campaign.
You scoff. How can a president pardon someone who hasn’t been convicted of a crime? Well, it’s not like Obama has worried about the legality of his actionsin the past. And besides, there’s a way for him to pardon Clinton. In a 2008 article, Slate magazine cited Ex parte Garland, a nineteenth century Supreme Court decision. “Generally speaking,” wrote Jacob Leibenluft, “once an act has been committed, the president can issue a pardon at any time—regardless of whether charges have even been filed.”
The most famous preemptive pardon in American history was of Richard Nixon. President Ford absolved his predecessor of all crimes he “has committed or may have committed or taken part in” between inauguration day 1969 and resignation day 1974. Obama could do better than Ford by absolving Clinton of all crimes she “has committed or may have committed or taken part in” between, say, January 20, 2009 and January 20, 2025. That would give her some wiggle room. And why not pardon Huma, too. She’s suffered enough.
A pardon is necessary because political pressure may not be enough to save Clinton. Investigations are unruly, unpredictable. “Even if the Department of Justice is highly politicized—as it is—there is a powerful legal procedure here that will be hard to kill off,” writes University of Chicago professor Charles Lipson.
But the FBI inquiry will cease as soon as the pardon is issued. There’d be no reason to proceed—Clinton would be forgiven for whatever she did or might have done. Not to pardon her would risk another “long national nightmare” of I.G. reports, committee hearings, depositions, subpoenas, betrayals, media leaks, tell-all books, grand juries, and indictments. Bad press would dog her campaign. Republicans would benefit.
Not only would a pardon have legal consequences. It would have political ones. It would be a tacit endorsement of Clinton, a message to Biden not to run. Scrutiny of Clinton would fade. A few news outlets might continue to dig around—we at the Washington Free Beacon will never, ever stop—but most reporters, who’d rather not be writing about this scandal anyway, would turn elsewhere.
Obama would look magnanimous. The country would be spared years of Clinton drama it doesn’t want. A pardon would be a final display of Obama’s moral superiority to the woman he defeated long ago—exactly the sort of self-righteous gesture that most appeals to him. As David Geffen put it in 2007, “I don’t think anybody believes that in the last six years, all of a sudden Bill Clinton has become a different person.” Nobody believed that about Clinton’s wife, either. They still don’t.
Pardon Hillary now if you want to save her campaign. If not, if you let the investigation proceed, then you may have no choice but to pardon her later. A little less than a year and a half remains in President Obama’s term. Pardoning Clinton would be a fitting capstone to his presidency. If he doesn’t do it, though, Hillary still has options. There’s always President Trump.


- See more at: http://freebeacon.com/columns/pardon-hillary-now/#sthash.WQ2iLOdA.dpuf

 

[LENBO]

Lying and conniving. It's the Clinton way.

 

[russ1945]

[h=2]The Hillary Clinton Email Scandal, Explained in Plain English[/h]Even the best-case scenario is problematic
BY: Andrew Stiles
August 13, 2015 2:59 pm

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To break the Hillary Clinton email scandal down into plain English, here is the absolute best-case scenario:
Hillary Clinton put the national security of the United States at risk in order to conceal information from the public, but did not break any laws.
That is the best-case scenario. Clinton made a conscious decision to conduct government business over a private, unsecured email server because she was planning to run for president and, for whatever reason, did not want her emails subject to standard transparency requirements. This is essentially indisputable at this point. There are people who will dispute it, but their argument boils to down to “we should trust Hillary Clinton,” even though most Americans don’t, and for good reason. For crying out loud, she asked to borrow a book that has an entire section devoted to “How to Delete Something So It Stays Deleted.”
In terms of Hillary’s own statements about her email set-up, the best-case scenario is that, while she hasn’t told the truth, she hasn’t technically told a lie. Still, most people will find it hard to reconcilereports that “top secret” information gleaned from spy satellites passed through her email server with Hillary’s initial insistence that “there is no classified material” on her server.
The discrepancy, we are told, is simply the result of a “disagreement” among government agencies about whether certain information should be given either no classification, or the highest possibleclassification. While no one ever went broke underestimating the competence of the federal government, this seems like the sort “disagreement” that could be resolved relatively quickly.
There’s also the fact that the FBI found it necessary to take possession of her email records, which,according to the Clinton campaign, is just the “kind of nonsense [that] comes with the territory of running for president.”
No, it isn’t.
Hopefully we will be able to get as close to the truth as can reasonably expected when a Clinton is involved. Whatever the case, one thing is certain: Hillary will be treated differently because she is a prominent politician running for president, and will continue to campaign as a champion for “everyday Americans” struggling in a society in which certain individuals enjoy unfair advantages due to their wealth and/or privilege.
Most people at least claim to believe that things like government transparency and accountability are important. The most discouraging thought in all of this is that some, perhaps many, will come to the conclusion that electing Hillary Clinton is even more important. She will get elected, and, having already set an abysmal precedent as Secretary of State, will continue to behave like a Clinton.
That’s not good. It’s bad.

 

[russ1945]

Lying and conniving. It's the Clinton way.

We have to draw a line sometime, it is getting old.

 

[PatsFan1283]

What did you think about last nights game

Didn't see it. I can't watch preseason

Always was funny to me that the teams make season ticket holders buy preseason tickets for games nobody wants to go to. Huge source of profit for the teams.

Saw Rodgers threw 19 passes. Don't see that type of work for a star player in the 1st game often.

 

[russ1945]

Didn't see it. I can't watch preseason

Always was funny to me that the teams make season ticket holders buy preseason tickets for games nobody wants to go to. Huge source of profit for the teams.

Saw Rodgers threw 19 passes. Don't see that type of work for a star player in the 1st game often.

That was strange. Your backup QB needs some work and OL got over powered a few times. But there were some bright spots. How much are season tickets running now days?

 

[PatsFan1283]

That was strange. Your backup QB needs some work and OL got over powered a few times. But there were some bright spots. How much are season tickets running now days?

Lower level seats $150ish a ticket last I checked.

So you got 2 seats its $300 x 2 preseason games = $600 they make you spend on basically nothing. You can't sell them for any $ either really.

At this point I think Brady is going to just beat the wrap so Garrapolo struggling doesn't mean as much, but who knows.

 

[russ1945]

I have not seen this mentioned before. I was thinking why would Hillary mix personal emails with government business emails and have them on the same server. The Clinton's can't afford another server? I also wonder if she turned her server in as an expense and got reimbursed. If you did not have personal stuff mixed in with government stuff their would be no justification to destroy emails much less the server. I see Hillary as a bullfighter who is in the center of the ring. Unfortunately she is surrounded by bulls. Maybe that is why her story is pure bull shit. lol

 

[Dave007inVegas]

That is exactly why I started this thread. What she did was done with poor judgement and without any regard for the consequences this nation might face due to her disregard for security and transparency. She will not go to prison but she should be barred from ever running for public office or holding a government job and should lose all benefits that she has coming for doing both in the past. She is the ultimate elitist and she feels she is above the law. If that server was wiped clean by professionals after all this time it tells you all you need to know. China and Russia probably have all that info. We should offer a reward for the recovery all those emails. She won't drop out of the running because that would be an admission of guilt so to speak but if she continues on the current path all she is doing is putting off the unavoidable. Would an innocent person destroy their emails and their server. Can't wait till Trey sits her down and puts her down.

You’re right she won’t go to prison and she doesn’t think she is above the law, she knows she is above the law.

If the DOJ won’t prosecute Lerner, if the IRS won’t go after Sharpton yet common people like bakers, caterers and pizza makers take it up the ass, then you start to realize just how fucked up our country has become.

 

[russ1945]

You’re right she won’t go to prison and she doesn’t think she is above the law, she knows she is above the law.

If the DOJ won’t prosecute Lerner, if the IRS won’t go after Sharpton yet common people like bakers, caterers and pizza makers take it up the ass, then you start to realize just how fucked up our country has become.

And under who's leadership (or lack thereof)

 

[Dave007inVegas]

And under who's leadership (or lack thereof)

No need to be redundant, I thought that was a given.

 

[Acebb]

The political class is seriously underestimating the impact of Hillary Clinton’s email controversy. They see it mainly as a problem of public opinion and electoral politics, where it has been increasingly costly but not yet fatal. The political damage—the drip, drip, drip of revelations—has been bad, but there is worse to come.

Hillary Clinton’s big problem now is legal, and it could well be insurmountable politically. Here’s why. Once a “political” issue finally moves into the legal system, as the Clinton email server has, it moves forward with an independent logic. That logic will slowly ensnare Secretary Clinton.

You can already see it happening. Two weeks ago, the Department of Justice acknowledged that it “has received a referral related to the potential compromise of classified information.” The referral was not criminal, and the Clinton camp immediately pummeled the New York Times’ sloppy reporting that it was. But that’s small ball and misleading at that. The DOJ is not investigating a civil matter here. It is investigating a crime. As that investigation moves forward, it will take on a life of its own, as it should in a government of laws.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

The political class is seriously underestimating the impact of Hillary Clinton’s email controversy. They see it mainly as a problem of public opinion and electoral politics, where it has been increasingly costly but not yet fatal. The political damage—the drip, drip, drip of revelations—has been bad, but there is worse to come.

Hillary Clinton’s big problem now is legal, and it could well be insurmountable politically. Here’s why. Once a “political” issue finally moves into the legal system, as the Clinton email server has, it moves forward with an independent logic. That logic will slowly ensnare Secretary Clinton.

You can already see it happening. Two weeks ago, the Department of Justice acknowledged that it “has received a referral related to the potential compromise of classified information.” The referral was not criminal, and the Clinton camp immediately pummeled the New York Times’ sloppy reporting that it was. But that’s small ball and misleading at that. The DOJ is not investigating a civil matter here. It is investigating a crime. As that investigation moves forward, it will take on a life of its own, as it should in a government of laws.

That’s an oxymoron. They are only laws if Obama deems them so. Contrary to popular belief the DOJ only enforces the laws he wants them too.

They work for him not us.

 

[Acebb]

Freakin' Awesome:

[h=1]Joe Biden Wades Further Into ’16 Bid[/h]
But at the same time, Mr. Biden and those who support him are moving to put the pieces into place for a possible candidacy. The vice president directed Mr. Harpootlian to get in touch with one of his closest political advisers, Mike Donilon, and has been calling other supporters. And he has permitted his advisers to discreetly contact operatives in early nominating states to determine how fast they could organize a campaign.

 

[russ1945]

Lower level seats $150ish a ticket last I checked.

So you got 2 seats its $300 x 2 preseason games = $600 they make you spend on basically nothing. You can't sell them for any $ either really.

At this point I think Brady is going to just beat the wrap so Garrapolo struggling doesn't mean as much, but who knows.

I hope he beats it. Like the ref's never noticed the deflation during the game, makes you wonder. Someone could have deflated them after the game, kind of like destroying a phone lol.

 

[PatsFan1283]

I hope he beats it. Like the ref's never noticed the deflation during the game, makes you wonder. Someone could have deflated them after the game, kind of like destroying a phone lol.

I actually said to my friend once that there is no way Brady would even notice the difference on ball pressure for such a small difference, then he sent me a link of Drew Brees on Conan O'brien and they gave him 4 or 5 different balls and said name the PSI and he named all of them correctly. I dunno if it was staged or not but it was pretty impressive.