Homosexuality is Condemned in the Bible!
The Bible's condemnation of homosexuality is as clear and plain as the Bible's condemnation of murder, adultery, premarital sex, kidnapping, lying and idolatry. Further, for me to openly condemn homosexuality theologically makes me no more a "gay basher" than I am an "adultery basher", "premarital sex basher", "kidnapper basher" or a "murderer basher". If you disagree, your argument is with God's Bible.
The homosexual community has two ways of promoting their personal choices of being homosexual through the religious forum. First, some will claim the Bible actually promotes and condones homosexuality. Second, others try to get the Bible banned from public use by categorizing it as hate literature.
For any to use the Bible to condone rather than condemn homosexual activity in the theological arena just proves such a one has absolutely no idea what the Bible actually teaches. For anyone to suggest the Bible says homosexual activity is acceptable to God, is nothing short of willful blindness. So to set the record straight once and for all, here is what the Bible teaches on the subject.
Anyone who has heard of the cities of "Sodom and Gommorah" knows that they were notorious hotbeds of homosexuality. Gen 19:5-8 "and they called to Lot and said to him, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.' But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, 'Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly.'" The Greek word in the New Testament for homosexuality is literally "a sodomite". Jock is trying to redefine what the term "sodomite" means. (A term that has unchanged in 5000 years, even today- "sodomy") Apart from the fact the city was clearly destroyed by God because of homosexuality in the narrative of Gen 19, even the New Testament clearly states exactly the same thing in Jude 7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire." Any sinner should always remember that the God who commands us to love our neighbour is the same God who will cast any and all unrepentant sinners into the "eternal fire". Here are more Bible quotes, Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals" 1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers" Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."
If the homosexual community chooses to practice homosexuality in privacy, that is there free choice. But let such persons know for certain that the Christian Bible condemns all such practices and God will judge them unfit for the kingdom of heaven if the continue to practice and openly promote homosexual sex.
<DIR>Seven Things I Wish
Pro-Gay People Would Admit
by Bob Davies
<B>1</B>. I wish they would admit that many people are not happy with their homosexuality or lesbianism, and that this conflict is internal, based on legitimate, intelligent religious and moral convictions--not just the result of a so-called "homophobic" society which is forcing guilt upon people who don't conform to a heterosexual ethic.
Stop throwing out the cheap, inaccurate labels like "internalized homophobia" to explain our motivations.
<B>2</B>. I wish they would acknowledge that homosexuals and lesbians can experience significant change in their sexual feelings and desires, even though they may never be totally heterosexual in their sexual thoughts and feelings.
Be honest enough to admit that such change is significant and genuine, even if it isn't complete.
<B>3.</B> I wish they would acknowledge that many former homosexuals and lesbians have found a greater measure of peace and satisfaction after leaving a gay or lesbian lifestyle than they ever experienced while embracing homosexuality.
Not all "ex-gays" are miserable, plotting how to secretly fulfill their homosexual lusts without being caught.
<B>4.</B> I wish they would acknowledge that many former homosexuals and lesbians have genuine joy in their marriages.
Most former gays and lesbians don't get married in a futile attempt to "escape" homosexuality; they marry as a natural consequence of resolving that issue in their lives.
<B>5.</B> I wish they would acknowledge that all people have as much right to pursue a heterosexual lifestyle as they do to pursue homosexuality.
Former homosexuals and lesbians should not be harassed and castigated by the gay community. But I have never heard any gay or lesbian leaders speak out against the violence (such as bomb threats and physical/verbal abuse) which some people perpetuate against Exodus ministries.
<B>6.</B> I wish they would stop equating our decision to leave homosexuality with "hatred" and "bigotry" against gays and lesbians.
We don't hate gays; we simply desire to live free of homosexuality. Don't put nasty labels upon our motives. That's being judgmental and unfair.
<B>7.</B> I wish pro-gay religious leaders would admit that their endorsement and promotion of monogamous homosexual relationships is a facade.
Many--probably most--men and women involved in long-term partnerships are not sexually monogamous, but gay churches don't discipline members for committing "adultery" outside their "gay marriage." Neither do they discipline gays or lesbians who have sex before entering into a "holy union" with their partner.
Bob Davies is past President of Exodus International and an ex-gay himself. He has been married for nine years. http://www.bible.ca/s-homo=sin.htm
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Historical views on homosexuality
<dl><dd> Main article: History of Christianity and homosexuality
</dd></dl> The early Christian Church, the Roman Catholic Church the Eastern Orthodox Churches and, later, the Protestant churches have traditionally explicitly condemned sexual acts and desires between men, namely, "man lying with man as one lies with a woman" and men "burning with lust toward one another",<sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</sup> and this has been extended to condemn homosexuality generally. Note that while the terms "homosexuality" and "homosexual" are of recent invention, the phenomena they represent are not.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference">[2]</sup> Whereas the Roman Catholic view is founded on a natural law argument informed by scripture and largely indebted to Thomas Aquinas, the Protestant view is based more directly upon scriptural verses.<sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</sup>
Denunciation of homosexuality is also seen in surviving early Christian writings (after 250 AD), such as in the writings of Justin Martyr, Aristides, Cyprian, Eusebius of Caesarea, Basil the Great, John Chrysostom, Augustine of Hippo, and in canonical sources such as the Apostolic Constitutions. Eusebius of Caesarea, for example, condemned "the union of women with women and men with men."
Many prominent Christian theologians have been critical of homosexual acts and desires (though silent on the subject of sexual orientation) throughout the religion's history. Thomas Aquinas denounced "the sin of sodomy" (sodomiticum vitium)<sup id="cite_ref-Aquinas_2-0" class="reference">[3]</sup> as second only to bestiality among the worst of all sexual sins, and Hildegard of Bingen's book Sci vias, which was officially approved by Pope Eugene III, condemned female homosexuality as "perverted".
<dl><dd> Main article: History of Christianity and homosexuality
</dd></dl> The early Christian Church, the Roman Catholic Church the Eastern Orthodox Churches and, later, the Protestant churches have traditionally explicitly condemned sexual acts and desires between men, namely, "man lying with man as one lies with a woman" and men "burning with lust toward one another",<sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</sup> and this has been extended to condemn homosexuality generally. Note that while the terms "homosexuality" and "homosexual" are of recent invention, the phenomena they represent are not.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference">[2]</sup> Whereas the Roman Catholic view is founded on a natural law argument informed by scripture and largely indebted to Thomas Aquinas, the Protestant view is based more directly upon scriptural verses.<sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</sup>
Denunciation of homosexuality is also seen in surviving early Christian writings (after 250 AD), such as in the writings of Justin Martyr, Aristides, Cyprian, Eusebius of Caesarea, Basil the Great, John Chrysostom, Augustine of Hippo, and in canonical sources such as the Apostolic Constitutions. Eusebius of Caesarea, for example, condemned "the union of women with women and men with men."
Many prominent Christian theologians have been critical of homosexual acts and desires (though silent on the subject of sexual orientation) throughout the religion's history. Thomas Aquinas denounced "the sin of sodomy" (sodomiticum vitium)<sup id="cite_ref-Aquinas_2-0" class="reference">[3]</sup> as second only to bestiality among the worst of all sexual sins, and Hildegard of Bingen's book Sci vias, which was officially approved by Pope Eugene III, condemned female homosexuality as "perverted".
yeah and they killed each other and fought wars over their beliefs but over time thankfully they became more civilized
maybe we should start stoning people to death again or crucifying people sounds like fun
those muslims still treating their religious texts as gospel
maybe we too should revert back to the "good ol days" of christianity
Iran to stone 9 people to death for adultery: activist
Last Updated: Sunday, July 20, 2008 | 11:15 PM ET Comments56Recommend11
CBC News
Iran has sentenced nine people to death by stoning for committing adultery, an activist said Sunday.
Shadi Sadr, a lawyer and women's rights activist, said eight women and one man were convicted of adultery in separate cases but that protocol wasn't properly applied in any of the trials.
Six of the nine were convicted based only on the judges' decisions with no witnesses or the presence of their lawyers during their confessions, said Sadr, who has been campaigning in Iran against stoning deaths.
"Their verdicts are approved, and they may be executed at any time," she told reporters in Tehran. "We are trying to stop the implementation of their verdicts. And we want to amend the country's penal law, in which death by stoning is prescribed."
Under Islamic laws in Iran, adultery is the one capital offence punishable by stoning. A man is buried up to his waist, while a woman is buried up to her neck, and then those carrying out the stoning throw stones until the condemned dies.
Stoning was widely imposed in the early years after Iran's Islamic revolution in 1979, but it has seldom been applied in recent years.
Reformists have demanded an end to death by stoning, but opposition from hardline clerics has sidelined their efforts.
you laugh?
I know plenty of ex-gays.
What's so funny about that?
Funny how if a person goes from being straight to gay then
the gays say they must have been gay all along, but if they
go from being gay to straight, then they still must be gay.
You guys drink too much of the politically correct gay agenda
flavored kool-aid.
Downing kool-aid without thinking can be fun!! yummy!!!!
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yet you sight old testament passages to prove your bible against gay claims
obviously the old testament is a very vengeful violent god
do christians today ignore the old testament other than the parts they like?
while the new testament is god speaking through jesus as a big time pacifist loving person
and as i understand as far as the stoning goes for that period of time
jews couldn't stone and crucify without the romans approval....
obviously the old testament is a very vengeful violent god
do christians today ignore the old testament other than the parts they like?
while the new testament is god speaking through jesus as a big time pacifist loving person
and as i understand as far as the stoning goes for that period of time
jews couldn't stone and crucify without the romans approval....
You think that homosexuality is a disease that can be cured and offer your ex-gay friends as proof?
There is a MUCH BETTER CHANCE of you recovering from the mental illness your homophobia is derived from than there is of any individual choosing to switch sides in matters of sexual preference.
Not so. I don't know what plane all those people are on save for that they are no longer on this plane.
Christ taught in the New Testament that the life force is eternal, so I know they're all on some plane somewhere. Each has their own spiritual journey.
The spiritual journey will never end for any of us, which is what makes life so constantly interesting.
Gay men for centuries have posed at being heterosexuals for a variety of reasons. In the 21st century, there's a pretty good list of legal and tax advantages that can motivate the most homosexual of men to take on a female spouse and maybe make a couple of babies together.
Nice that he's able to play both sides of the street and get over
God Bless America
Tiz,
Your points are really lame.
Name one place in the new Testament where Jesus or any Christian
condones stoning or crucifiction.
Name one time in history where Christians stoned people or crucified them.
hno:
Name one place in the New Testament where Christ declares himself to be a heterosexual and not gay.
