Christian homosexuals?

[festeringZit]

Do you believe in the phrase "once forgiven always forgiven by the Lord"?

Just because somebody strives to do right doesnt mean they will always do right 100% of the time. Do you wish to assume you know the heart of said sinner? I was always under the impression that only the lord Jesus Christ could know the sinners heart. Man is just a man.

Nope, I don't wish to judge a man's heart... that's God's job.

I believe that if a person is truly repentant that God can/will
forgive them - and that only God knows for sure if a man
is truly repentant. I think we agree here...

 

[fletchisrhsm]

Nope, I don't wish to judge a man's heart... that's God's job.

I believe that if a person is truly repentant that God can/will
forgive them - and that only God knows for sure if a man
is truly repentant. I think we agree here...

I think we do as well. :toast:

So it is possible to be a homosexual and still be a Christian.

These conversations be good for all.

Shalom brother Zit.

 

[festeringZit]

I think we do as well. :toast:

So it is possible to be a homosexual and still be a Christian.

These conversations be good for all.

Shalom brother Zit.

I believe it's possible for a man to have homosexual desires, and
still be a Christian. But I don't think it's possible for a man to
continue to act on them, without seeking God for forgiveness and
repentance, and still be in right standing with God.

It sounds like your friend Attila is a Christian, true?

Shalom indeed.

 

[ATTILAtheBEAST]

Most certainly. I've been praying for Fletch's salvation for several years now.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

Most certainly. I've been praying for Fletch's salvation for several years now.

From the book of James:

Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability
To lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here.

 

[barman]

I was always told that the Bible isnt meant to be taken metaphorically, meaning the written word is the gospel. If this is the case, then isnt the written word sufficient? Now, your analogy makes perfect sense to me, and i two understand how i could be confused. However, if we start to use analogies when something doesnt look quite to us is this not trying to add or take out of the book as it was intended as we were instructed not to? Or, is the meaning clear had i read the entire chapter written by Luke?

Many sects of Christianity do in fact believe the words in the Holy Bible should be interpreted literally and those literal interpretations to be without error.

Many other sects - including the Christians at Unity - perceive the messages within the Holy Bible to be for the most part metaphorical - especially the bulk of the Old Testament.

 

[barman]

All of mankind fell into disarray when Adam sinned. God created Adam
sinless, but with the ability to chose between right and wrong. When
Adam chose to sin against God, he and his offspring fell, and we all
have been suffering ever since.

The above analysis a perfect example of the dichotomy between various sects of Christianity. Many believe the story of "Adam" being the first human to be a literal true historical accounting, while others perceive it as purely allegorical since it conflicts with established scientific knowledge about the history of humankind on this planet.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

 

[barman]

First off, I believe that ZIT honestly expresses his personal beliefs with the above.

It illustrates another very key dichotomy between various sects of Christianity

While many promote the notion that man must "seek forgiveness" from God, others instead promote the message that man must "seek to forgive" (himself and others).

A level of enlightenment is achieved when one learns that God forgives. But an even higher level is achieved when one learns how to forgive.

For sure, both are important steps if starting from a point where one does not believe that God will forgive your errors (sins), whatever they may be.

 

[barman]

heh...to Fletch's colorful posting

Certainly brings to mind the core message of the video I posted on Page 1 of this thread - "The Bible is Bullshit"

"These are the words that were written by Men."

"It's time for us to love one another. It's time for us to take care of each other."

 

[ScottL]

This thread is now way too Christian and way too gay!

 

[barman]

Scotty, there always be room under Our Big Tent for HNJ's, HN atheists and HN heteros.

Basically, you've got a lifetime pass

 

[Illini]

It tends to be a bit more inspiring than viewing God as a stiff, wrathful and unrelenting presence who takes a short list of humans (homos, killers, rapists, atheists, Jews, Muslims) and impales them on a smoking tine to be placed on the eternal cooking fire of "Hell".

And of course, God gives everyone ANYTHING they want.

She tells us throughout the New Testament and Old Testament and via many other inspired writings of the ages that "We can have whatever we desire in our hearts"

"All things are possible for he who believes"


etc

Once you can wrap your spiritual heart around these awesome promises, God no longer is a scary, vengeful, discriminatory God.

Instead, you come to realize that She is the most awesome power in the Universe and that we as humans can tap into that power at any moment we wish.

I need a video clip where someone screams, "AMEN BROTHER!"

Please elaborate on what you mean, exactly.

 

[ScottL]

"Scotty, there always be room under Our Big Tent for HNJ's, HN atheists and HN heteros.
Basically, you've got a lifetime pass."

Good, then get rid of Railbird! No room for him LOL!

 

[fletchisrhsm]

Scotty, there always be room under Our Big Tent for HNJ's, HN atheists and HN heteros.

Basically, you've got a lifetime pass

What about mmff?

 

[ScottL]

What about mmff?

Your mom's fat friend? You still hittin' that?

 

[fletchisrhsm]

Your mom's fat friend? You still hittin' that?

I told you. I dont discriminate. Once you get past the rolls, it all feels the same. Takes a little longer to find, but its all wet the same.

 

[ScottL]

Yeah, but do you know where HER SON is while you're THERE???

 

[barman]

 

[Illini]

This is a very tough subject, and one that is very difficult to answer. On one hand, it's rather obvious that homosexuality is not natural. Female and male were made for each other, that's plain for anyone to see. And the Bible is pretty clear, for those of us that believe the Bible.

At the same time, most of us have never had a homosexual thought. We aren't tempted by it and never will be. I couldn't be gay if even if I wanted to, and I'm sure most people are just like me in that regard. So they have something that most of us don't have. I've worked with some gay people and gotten to know them as people, not as "gays." My boss is a flaming gay, and is a great guy. He doesn't flaunt his homosexuality, and as far as I know, has never discussed it with anyone at work. But you meet him, and in 5 seconds, you know. He's different.

How can I possibly know what's like to be him? I have differing viewpoints, and I don't know where I stand on this issue. I am a Christian, and I don't like how the large majority of the Church uses the homosexuality issue as a means to judge people, and feel justified in doing so, because after all, "we're just repeating what the Bible says." I don't like it one bit. So many people are venemous in their desire to judge other people, and this way, they can do it, and feel it's right to hate those people. They would never say it, but it's hate. For most, that is.

I am a very compassionate person, and this issue is very tough for someone that is a Bible believing Christian. I have tried to put myself in their shoes. How would I feel if someone told me that being gay was right, and I had to be gay to be accepted by God? I'd tell them to get lost, and wouldn't ever give another thought to their lunacy. That's what it must be like for homosexuals.

On the other hand, I can't ignore the Bible, if I'm a Christian. So it's a very tough subject.