Brady's 4-game suspension upheld

[Willie99]

I think law enforcement officers all across this country would love to have the Brady hater mentality behind them all day every day. And prosecutors would be licking their chops.

"I think he did it", guilty guilty guilty, game over

weight of the evidence, or lack thereof, be damned, hang him high boys

kinda surreal, but not so much anymore, I expect poppycock nowadays more so than ever before



I also find it somewhat amusing that Roger denying his appeal actually carries weight in some circles. Did somebody actually expect something different? Everything he did was to make sure he gets to make every decision in this case, that alone should stand out as a farce. He's afraid to let anyone else rule, and for good reason given his track record.

 

[slapshot]

Wonder if Bill and other Patriots destroyed their phones also :think2:

 

[The Guesser]

This guy gets it.

Time for Brady to Admit He Cheated and Save the NFL from a Civil War

<address class="article_author-info" itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"> By Mike Freeman , NFL National Lead Writer </address> <time class="article_timestamp" itemprop="datePublished" data-updated_at="1438118472">Jul 28, 2015</time>


Let's get to the most important part of this latest news: Tom Brady destroying his cellphone.
In its decision to deny Brady's appeal of a four-game suspension for his role in Deflategate, the NFL alleges the Patriots quarterback willfully obstructed the investigation, citing the cellphone. On the day he was supposed to meet with investigator Ted Wells, Brady stuck his phone in a blender. Or he hit it with a chainsaw. Or he gave it to his assistant to destroy. Something like that. However he did it, he obliterated the phone.
So, pause here for a moment.
Go back to the league's investigation. The NFL's cops wanted to talk to Brady, and Brady knew they would likely ask about the phone. So what did he do? He got rid of it.

Now, Brady didn't have to turn over the phone. He could have told the NFL to screw off. But this isn't about rights or what's legal. This is about appearance. And why would someone who's not guilty be nuking his phone?
All he had to do was just tell the NFL, "No." And he did—so why destroy the cellphone?
It goes back to an old saying: The cover-up is worse than the crime.

Here's what the league stated in its final decision:

The most significant new information that emerged in connection with the appeal was evidence that on or about March 6, 2015—the very day that he was interviewed by Mr. Wells and his investigative team—Mr. Brady instructed his assistant to destroy the cellphone that he had been using since early November 2014, a period that included the AFC Championship Game and the initial weeks of the subsequent investigation. During the four months that it was in use, almost 10,000 text messages were sent or received by Mr. Brady using that cellphone. At the time that he arranged for its destruction, Mr. Brady knew that Mr. Wells and his team had requested information from that cellphone in connection with their investigation. Despite repeated requests for that information, beginning in mid-February 2015 and continuing during his March 6, 2015, interview by investigators, information indicating that Mr. Brady might have destroyed his cellphone was not disclosed until months later, on June 18, 2015, and not confirmed until the day of the hearing itself.

​

Again, a quick pause. The cellphone was destroyed after the NFL requested the information on it. Brady claims that he always destroys his phones, but that's no excuse here. He destroyed this one knowing the NFL wanted the data on it.

I had heard some time ago that the NFL had new evidence. Now we know what it was. Now we also now why Roger Goodell upheld the four-game suspension. He had no choice. Brady was playing a conniving shell game with his phone.
So now comes a basic question: Do you believe Brady?
"Unless you happen to be an apologist or a fan of the Patriots," Bill Polian said on ESPN, "it's pretty hard to point fingers at the NFL. They went by the book."
The NFL doesn't have subpoena power. It can't go to the phone company and get the records. It has to rely on the cooperation of Brady. The NFL is big on cooperation and became that way, intensely, after another Patriots scandal: Spygate.

This is why Polian called the destruction of the phone something that "just shocks me." I know Polian has reason to be biased, as a former exec for the rival Bills and Colts, but he's also right.
Because, basically, the phone was one of the few ways for the NFL to see the truth, and Brady destroyed it. Knowing the league wanted it. This was anti-cooperation.
One more thing needs to be singled out from the decision. Neither of the two Patriots game-day officials—one of whom took the balls into a private bathroom before the game, according to the Wells Report—were called as witnesses by the union at the appeal hearing. The NFLPA declined an opportunity for those two individuals to be heard by the commissioner before he made his decision. That also speaks volumes.
So now, likely, comes the next phase: the court fight. Brady probably will take the fight to federal court, meaning this case is far from over. In fact, it could go on for months more.
Unless one thing happens.
What Brady needs to do—in order to avoid what will be a nasty fight, a sort of civil war—is just come clean.
No reasonable, non-biased person believes Brady. His side of the story simply strains credibility too much. Maybe he does always destroy his cellphones, maybe it was within his rights to withhold the phone anyway, but to destroy it knowing that league investigators wanted it on the day he's meeting with them?

We've all screwed up. I have. Everyone has. It's time to move on from this screwup.
That probably won't happen. Brady will probably go to federal court, and he and a team of lawyers will do court Muay Thai. It will likely be a legendary fight, tearing apart the league from the inside. The only winners will be the lawyers. Big bank, baby.
The way to avoid that is for Brady to finally admit his wrongdoing, take his punishment and sit his ass down. End this nasty fight that will only get uglier. If he doesn't—if he does the expected and fights a symbolic fight—the league will suffer.
Here is what Brady should do:
Call a press conference. Say he wants to apologize. He was wrong. He misled people. He's sorry. Take no questions. Then drop the fight and move on with life.

One day, Tom Brady will go into the Hall of Fame, and if he ends this now, no one will remember it on that day.
But fighting, saying he's innocent when the evidence shows that's not the case, makes him look Lance Armstrong-ish. His story is not believable, and everyone's tired of the drama it's causing. If he keeps fighting, he'll be remembered as causing more fissures at a time when the league's image is already cracking. He will still go into the Hall—he is, to me, the best quarterback ever—but that other part, the deflating part, will get more play in his career story.

Just admit it, Tom. End this. Move on.
So the league you love can do the same.

 

[Willie99]

"Ray, what happened in the elevator that day"?. "I punched her in the face and knocked her out Roger". Months later video comes out, nation is surprised Ray punched her in the face and knocked her out.

"Tom, will you give us your cell phone"?, "no fucking way in hell I'm giving you my phone Roger". Months later, nation is surprised Tom wouldn't give Roger his phone. Evidently still thinking they might find important text messages sent to people for whom they already have the text message history for.

Brilliance at work I tell you, simply brilliance

 

[doubledeuce22]

roger Goodell didn't provide his personal cell phone during Ray rice investigation. What a sham this is.

 

[doubledeuce22]

This guy gets it.

Time for Brady to Admit He Cheated and Save the NFL from a Civil War

<address class="article_author-info" itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"> By Mike Freeman , NFL National Lead Writer </address> <time class="article_timestamp" itemprop="datePublished" data-updated_at="1438118472">Jul 28, 2015</time>


Let's get to the most important part of this latest news: Tom Brady destroying his cellphone.
In its decision to deny Brady's appeal of a four-game suspension for his role in Deflategate, the NFL alleges the Patriots quarterback willfully obstructed the investigation, citing the cellphone. On the day he was supposed to meet with investigator Ted Wells, Brady stuck his phone in a blender. Or he hit it with a chainsaw. Or he gave it to his assistant to destroy. Something like that. However he did it, he obliterated the phone.
So, pause here for a moment.
Go back to the league's investigation. The NFL's cops wanted to talk to Brady, and Brady knew they would likely ask about the phone. So what did he do? He got rid of it.

Now, Brady didn't have to turn over the phone. He could have told the NFL to screw off. But this isn't about rights or what's legal. This is about appearance. And why would someone who's not guilty be nuking his phone?
All he had to do was just tell the NFL, "No." And he did—so why destroy the cellphone?
It goes back to an old saying: The cover-up is worse than the crime.

Here's what the league stated in its final decision:

The most significant new information that emerged in connection with the appeal was evidence that on or about March 6, 2015—the very day that he was interviewed by Mr. Wells and his investigative team—Mr. Brady instructed his assistant to destroy the cellphone that he had been using since early November 2014, a period that included the AFC Championship Game and the initial weeks of the subsequent investigation. During the four months that it was in use, almost 10,000 text messages were sent or received by Mr. Brady using that cellphone. At the time that he arranged for its destruction, Mr. Brady knew that Mr. Wells and his team had requested information from that cellphone in connection with their investigation. Despite repeated requests for that information, beginning in mid-February 2015 and continuing during his March 6, 2015, interview by investigators, information indicating that Mr. Brady might have destroyed his cellphone was not disclosed until months later, on June 18, 2015, and not confirmed until the day of the hearing itself.

​

Again, a quick pause. The cellphone was destroyed after the NFL requested the information on it. Brady claims that he always destroys his phones, but that's no excuse here. He destroyed this one knowing the NFL wanted the data on it.

I had heard some time ago that the NFL had new evidence. Now we know what it was. Now we also now why Roger Goodell upheld the four-game suspension. He had no choice. Brady was playing a conniving shell game with his phone.
So now comes a basic question: Do you believe Brady?
"Unless you happen to be an apologist or a fan of the Patriots," Bill Polian said on ESPN, "it's pretty hard to point fingers at the NFL. They went by the book."
The NFL doesn't have subpoena power. It can't go to the phone company and get the records. It has to rely on the cooperation of Brady. The NFL is big on cooperation and became that way, intensely, after another Patriots scandal: Spygate.

This is why Polian called the destruction of the phone something that "just shocks me." I know Polian has reason to be biased, as a former exec for the rival Bills and Colts, but he's also right.
Because, basically, the phone was one of the few ways for the NFL to see the truth, and Brady destroyed it. Knowing the league wanted it. This was anti-cooperation.
One more thing needs to be singled out from the decision. Neither of the two Patriots game-day officials—one of whom took the balls into a private bathroom before the game, according to the Wells Report—were called as witnesses by the union at the appeal hearing. The NFLPA declined an opportunity for those two individuals to be heard by the commissioner before he made his decision. That also speaks volumes.
So now, likely, comes the next phase: the court fight. Brady probably will take the fight to federal court, meaning this case is far from over. In fact, it could go on for months more.
Unless one thing happens.
What Brady needs to do—in order to avoid what will be a nasty fight, a sort of civil war—is just come clean.
No reasonable, non-biased person believes Brady. His side of the story simply strains credibility too much. Maybe he does always destroy his cellphones, maybe it was within his rights to withhold the phone anyway, but to destroy it knowing that league investigators wanted it on the day he's meeting with them?

We've all screwed up. I have. Everyone has. It's time to move on from this screwup.
That probably won't happen. Brady will probably go to federal court, and he and a team of lawyers will do court Muay Thai. It will likely be a legendary fight, tearing apart the league from the inside. The only winners will be the lawyers. Big bank, baby.
The way to avoid that is for Brady to finally admit his wrongdoing, take his punishment and sit his ass down. End this nasty fight that will only get uglier. If he doesn't—if he does the expected and fights a symbolic fight—the league will suffer.
Here is what Brady should do:
Call a press conference. Say he wants to apologize. He was wrong. He misled people. He's sorry. Take no questions. Then drop the fight and move on with life.

One day, Tom Brady will go into the Hall of Fame, and if he ends this now, no one will remember it on that day.
But fighting, saying he's innocent when the evidence shows that's not the case, makes him look Lance Armstrong-ish. His story is not believable, and everyone's tired of the drama it's causing. If he keeps fighting, he'll be remembered as causing more fissures at a time when the league's image is already cracking. He will still go into the Hall—he is, to me, the best quarterback ever—but that other part, the deflating part, will get more play in his career story.

Just admit it, Tom. End this. Move on.
So the league you love can do the same.

He destroyed it before he met with Wells..

 

[The Guesser]

He destroyed it before he met with Wells..

The most significant new information that emerged in connection with the appeal was evidence that on or about March 6, 2015—the very day that he was interviewed by Mr. Wells and his investigative team—Mr. Brady instructed his assistant to destroy the cellphone that he had been using since early November 2014, a period that included the AFC Championship Game and the initial weeks of the subsequent investigation. During the four months that it was in use, almost 10,000 text messages were sent or received by Mr. Brady using that cellphone. At the time that he arranged for its destruction, Mr. Brady knew that Mr. Wells and his team had requested information from that cellphone in connection with their investigation. Despite repeated requests for that information, beginning in mid-February 2015 and continuing during his March 6, 2015, interview by investigators, information indicating that Mr. Brady might have destroyed his cellphone was not disclosed until months later, on June 18, 2015, and not confirmed until the day of the hearing itself.
​

Again, a quick pause. The cellphone was destroyed after the NFL requested the information on it. Brady claims that he always destroys his phones, but that's no excuse here. He destroyed this one knowing the NFL wanted the data on it.

 

[The Guesser]

roger Goodell didn't provide his personal cell phone during Ray rice investigation. What a sham this is.

Roger was dead wrong in the Ray Rice Fiasco. And dead right here.

 

[doubledeuce22]

Roger was dead wrong in the Ray Rice Fiasco. And dead right here.

Colts balls measured at halftime of same game were under limit. Should've ended right there. Everything else had been a witch hunt and well beyond scope of league, precedent and procedure. Any other team or player this would have never gone this far. Fact.

 

[PatsFanatic]

Colts balls measured at halftime of same game were under limit. Should've ended right there. Everything else had been a witch hunt and well beyond scope of league, precedent and procedure. Any other team or player this would have never gone this far. Fact.

Correct....The NFL would have woke up the next morning, fined team A for finding balls 1 PSI below the limit, and moved on.

But the NFL got exactly what they were looking for. A ton or attention through the spring and summer.

 

[hehateme82]

Pats fans are really funny people.

 

[PatsFanatic]

Pats fans are really funny people.

9-3 Patriots love the Ravens

 

[doubledeuce22]

Correct....The NFL would have woke up the next morning, fined team A for finding balls 1 PSI below the limit, and moved on.

But the NFL got exactly what they were looking for. A ton or attention through the spring and summer.

both teams balls were under limit.. Fine both teams or fine nobody.

league should have said psi was brought to our attention.. balls have never been measured during a game in the history of the league. Rules/competition committee will review in offseason to put process in place (instead of a witch hunt).

 

[JackStraw77]

Brady tells NFL it's balls to the wall.

 

[hehateme82]

9-3 Patriots love the Ravens

Yeah, but what, 2-2 in the playoffs?.. all in Foxboro as well I believe.

 

[Ricboff]

The most significant new information that emerged in connection with the appeal was evidence that on or about March 6, 2015—the very day that he was interviewed by Mr. Wells and his investigative team—Mr. Brady instructed his assistant to destroy the cellphone that he had been using since early November 2014, a period that included the AFC Championship Game and the initial weeks of the subsequent investigation. During the four months that it was in use, almost 10,000 text messages were sent or received by Mr. Brady using that cellphone. At the time that he arranged for its destruction, Mr. Brady knew that Mr. Wells and his team had requested information from that cellphone in connection with their investigation. Despite repeated requests for that information, beginning in mid-February 2015 and continuing during his March 6, 2015, interview by investigators, information indicating that Mr. Brady might have destroyed his cellphone was not disclosed until months later, on June 18, 2015, and not confirmed until the day of the hearing itself.
​

Again, a quick pause. The cellphone was destroyed after the NFL requested the information on it. Brady claims that he always destroys his phones, but that's no excuse here. He destroyed this one knowing the NFL wanted the data on it.

lol, you're preaching to the choir. Brady could come out and apologize, admit he routinely had his game balls dropped to below legal limits yet hardened loyalists will deflect, defend to the very end.

'he did nothing wrong!!! they all do it!!!!'

'they forced him to say that!!! they had him on a cocktail of opiods and benzos,, he was confused!! this is bullshit!!! greatest American sportsman ever!!!!!!!!'

'i always smash my cellphones when done, who doesnt?!?!...that's all they got!!!!!!! seriously!!!!!!!!'

 

[FearTheRaven]

9-3 Patriots love the Ravens

Lol, gtfo with that shit. You know damn well they don't like playing the Ravens.

 

[The Guesser]

lol, you're preaching to the choir. Brady could come out and apologize, admit he routinely had his game balls dropped to below legal limits yet hardened loyalists will deflect, defend to the very end.

'he did nothing wrong!!! they all do it!!!!'

'they forced him to say that!!! they had him on a cocktail of opiods and benzos,, he was confused!! this is bullshit!!! greatest American sportsman ever!!!!!!!!'

'i always smash my cellphones when done, who doesnt?!?!...that's all they got!!!!!!! seriously!!!!!!!!'

It's like OJ supporters. OJ could have posed with the bloody knife holding Ron and Nicole's Heads, and his irrational supporters would say the evidence was planted on OJ. hno:
I get loyalty, and I'm a huge Brady fan. Guy is fantastic. Best ever. NOTHING will change that. But he was part of a minor, pretty meaningless crime, and unfortunately for him a major coverup that got him suspended. Come clean on the stupid Ball deflation during the Colt game, say the balls were unintentionally deflated too much because the guys knew I like softer balls, apologize, and this goes away with a small fine and a reprimand. Instead, he's making it look like he's going out of his way covering up a pattern of deception, that went far further than the Colt game. For a generally bright guy, I'm shocked at how badly Brady has managed this.

 

[Willie99]

I will never understand why an initial erroneous report regarding the PSI level of footballs was leaked by a source from the NFL a few days after the AFC Championship Game was never corrected by those who had the correct information. For four months that report cast aspersions and shaped public opinion.

Yesterday's decision by Commissioner Goodell was released in a similar manner under an erroneous headline that read ‘Tom Brady destroyed his cell phone.' This headline was designed to capture headlines across the country and obscure evidence regarding the tampering of air pressure in footballs. It intentionally implied nefarious behavior and minimized the acknowledgement that Tom ‘provided the history of every number he texted during that relevant time frame and we had already provided the league with every cell phone of every non NFLPA employee they requested, including head coach Bill Belchick.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25253225/bob-kraft-i-was-wrong-to-put-my-faith-in-the-league

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Roger continues to misrepresent and lie, and the haters continue to swallow without reflex

a federal judge already admonished him once for lying, he never stopped lying about what Ray Rice said

another federal judge said he acted above the law, something he continues to do

yet the self anointed brilliance of this world continue to cite him when it's convenient for them, if and only if he's selling a narrative they enjoy

haters are funny people

 

[REDEYE]

Pats fans need to stop spinning this and except that you cheat.. You got caught, you have been penalized...nothing else to debate..now you're embarrassing yourselves...... time to stop crying