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Win One, you are right there...what's the take on SMU for the coming season?
 

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Win One, you are right there...what's the take on SMU for the coming season?
SMU - They are recruiting very well for SMU. Their numbers are up and they are much more talented that they were a few years back. With that being said, they are still incredibly young from an experience perspective, and they just are not very big physically. I hope to see more of them when the camp starts. They are going to score points but I think they will struggle against teams that just line up and punch them in the gut because of their lack of size. I also see them having trouble consistently being able to run the ball between the tackles.
Will report more when camp opens later this summer.
 

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I still say there's something in the Texas/Oklahoma "air and drinking water" that makes Southwestern football click . I recall years back where great teams from Texas, Oklahoma & Arkansas had their rosters filled with some of the best footfall players of all-time. To mention a few such as Sammy Baugh, Doak Walker, Bobby Lane, Davy O'Brian on through Billy Vessels, Billy Simms, on up to Rickey Williams, Leroy Selmon and Adrian Peterson and so many more. There were the all-time great coach's such as Bear Bryant Darrel Royal, Frank Broyals, and Bud Wilkinson's just to mention a few that roamed the sidelines. Ah yes, there was always something special about Southwestern Conference football that made it special in the annals of all-time that I will never forget.

Has it all changed ? Is it the water that comes in plastic bottles that made a difference ? I remember the days when the defensive players in the SWC would knock an offender down "just for the fun of it" and then laugh at him.....I remember the days of their "wide-open" style of play as special Just maybe there is some of that old SWC Brand sill left. The 2016 Oklahoma Sooners might have a shot at winning all the "marbles" and bring back some of the memories and glory from the years gone by.
 

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The recruitment of Patrick Hudson, the No. 56-ranked college football prospect in the class of 2016, has concluded.
After making an official visit to Oklahoma last weekend, the Under Armour All-America Game offensive lineman committed and signed a financial aid agreement with Texas on Wednesday.
The 6-foot-5, 335-pound Hudson was one of five Baylor players released from national letters of intent June 23, instantly becoming one of the nation's most-sought prospects once again.
The nation's No. 1-ranked offensive guard prospect took brief looks at Georgiaand Texas A&M in addition to Oklahoma since being released. Before signing with Baylor over Texas on Feb. 3, the No. 9-rated prospect in Texas made official visits in January to Baylor, Texas and Georgia.
Hudson plans to enroll at Texas on July 11.
 

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Baylor's backup QB, Jarrett Stidham (#4 dual-threat QB in 2015), has requested full release with aTm the likely transfer destination although auburn and oregon are also possibilities
 

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Stidham is the kid that played last year when the starter got hurt and played well. That would be a HUGE loss for Baylor
 

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Can someone tell me how UTexas can add 5+ scholarship players from the Baylor roster at this late date. Typically, aren't most of those scholarships accounted for? Unless you have some attrition, I don't know how you make the numbers work.
 

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I'm also liking WV this year. They are on the "good year" of their Big 12 scheduling with TCU, OU and Baylor all at home. Definitely top 5 potential. They also catch TTU in a bit of a sandwich spot. That will be a big game for them if they want to move into the top 5. With an experienced QB like Skyler Howard I like their chances of pulling off a couple of road wins..

Agree sooners..
 

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Can someone tell me how UTexas can add 5+ scholarship players from the Baylor roster at this late date. Typically, aren't most of those scholarships accounted for? Unless you have some attrition, I don't know how you make the numbers work.
they are 2 or 3 over limit right now which means they will need to convince a couple to transfer out


OU added a big one over the weekend....

After signing with Baylor on National Signing Day, Parrish Cobb, a one-time Sooner commit, is headed to Norman after all.
With the controversy surrounding the Baylor football team, Cobb was one of many 2016 signees that were granted a release from their national letter of intent. Cobb wasted little time in choosing his new home, signing with the Sooners on Friday.
The 5-11, 175 pound cornerback from Waco, Texas, becomes the twenty-first commitment to OU's 2016 signing class, which now ranks in the top-20 nationally and second in the Big 12, according to Rivals.com.
Cobb’s addition comes at a time of need. Jordan Thomas, the Sooners' starting corner who figured to be a leader in the secondary during the upcoming season, was arrested early Thursday morning. Should Thomas miss time, Cobb, a four-star defensive back, could make an immediate impact either on defense or in the return game.
Cobb is rated as a top-150 player and a top-20 corner in the 2016 class by Rivals.com. In his senior season, the Semper Fidelis All-American had 47 tackles, 16 pass breakups and four interceptions, returning one for a touchdown, while playing corner He also added 17 touchdowns on offense, with two return touchdowns in his career.
Cobb committed to OU over numerous other offers from TCU, Texas, Texas A&M and Notre Dame.
 

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Baylor's backup QB, Jarrett Stidham (#4 dual-threat QB in 2015), has requested full release with aTm the likely transfer destination although auburn and oregon are also possibilities
Stidham has left Baylor and heading the JUCO route for 1 year for his redshirt season of top level ball. Very rare route to take but gives him 3 years left for FBS football and Baylor cannot stop him from transferring to another B12 school. If he would have transferred straight to another B12 school he would only have 2 years of eligibility left...found himself a loophole for in-conference transfer it seems

interesting. looks like some B12 team getting a heck of a QB prospect for 2017-18-19 season
 

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former four-star recruit Ryan Newsome announced on his Twitter account that he would be leaving Texas and looking to continue his career elsewhere. Newsome, who saw playing time as a true freshman for head coach Charlie Strong, will have four years to play three wherever he ultimately finishes his career.
Texas granted Newsome his release on Tuesday — he says he can't go to Notre Dame or Cal (who Texas plays this year) or any Big 12 school — and since then, the messages have streamed in non-stop. Already Newsome has developed a list of six schools where there's mutual interest: Tennessee, Alabama, Michigan State, Texas A&M, Arizona State and USC.


[h=3]Breaking down Newsome's top schools[/h]
  • Texas A&M - “They want me there but they have to talk to Sumlin, a little more talk has to be done. The thing about it is (coaches) Noel and Taylor Mazzone are there and they were recruiting me and Christian Kirk to play on the same team at UCLA. That same idea is in his head. I’m interested in A&M a lot. Obviously it’s a little plot twist because I was just at Texas and that’s a rival no matter what. A lot of my family went to A&M; my Dad’s whole side went there so the fact they know I’m interested in going there they’re flipping. I should know some later this week. I’m looking forward to what Coach Sumlin says.”
  • Michigan State - "Initially they were the first school to contact me and supposedly before I signed (with Texas) they were interested in me, too. They told me I am what they’re looking for. They said I’m their guy.”
  • Tennessee - “Tennessee is on me hard; they’re all on me there. Coach Butch (Jones), he’s just a great guy. I officially visited Tennessee but my parents never went up there. Now, they said they’ll go see it. But Darren Kirkland and Khalil (McKenzie) are on me hard; they all want me there. The Tennessee fans are going crazy.”
  • Arizona State - “Coach Graham was talking about relationships and he’s from Texas. Relationships are really key for me. When I was at UT I loved Coach Traylor and those guys; but when Norvell, Tommie (Robinson) and Coach Watson left everyone that recruited me was gone. That happens sometimes but those were the guys that knew what I could do. I’ve known Coach (Jay) Norvell for three years; he recruited me at Oklahoma and Texas.”
  • Alabama – “I know Deionte Thompson and Blake Barnett. Bama offered me in high school and I saw the way they used Calvin Ridley; they put him in the backfield and in motion and that’s what they said they were going to do with me. They only offered me and Christian Kirk as slots in high school. It’s business-like over there with Coach Saban; he’s a tough guy.”
A note on USC: There's serious interest with the Trojans because former Texas assistant coach Tommie Robinson is in Los Angeles now.
 

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Bill Snyder says two former teams want back in the Big 12. Colorado and Nebraska. Both schools lost their main recruiting base in Texas when leaving. I would take them both back in a heartbeat. But I think the chances of them leaving their conferences are pretty slim. Especially Nebraska. What do you think RunLee? To me it looks like Nebraska is starting to recruit pretty well again...I don't see them leaving. Hard to see Nebraska and Texas in the same conference again after what's happened...

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...2/big-12-expansion-candidates-colorado-whaaat
 

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Bill Snyder says two former teams want back in the Big 12. Colorado and Nebraska. Both schools lost their main recruiting base in Texas when leaving. I would take them both back in a heartbeat. But I think the chances of them leaving their conferences are pretty slim. Especially Nebraska. What do you think RunLee? To me it looks like Nebraska is starting to recruit pretty well again...I don't see them leaving. Hard to see Nebraska and Texas in the same conference again after what's happened...

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...2/big-12-expansion-candidates-colorado-whaaat

I have a hard time seeing Nebraska returning to a Texas dominant conference (the whole nostalgic draw centers on OU, btw). Perhaps some higher-ups could talk Nebraska in to letting Texas join the Big Ten if that was the momentum. The money coming from the Big Ten in not only athletics but research grant money is too much to pass on. But I wouldn't be surprised if certain boosters have expressed nostalgia. Like you said, Nebraska is starting to recruit at a high level, pretty amazing really and is putting some kabosh on some theories that it can't be done given the location. I've mentioned before that recruiting is about relationships. California has always provided more recruits to Nebraska than the state of Texas and now that is beginning to expanded with the California ties of the current staff. The Calibraska movement is going strong....back on point. If I had to guess, I'd say Bill is talking about Colorado and Missouri. I'm sure all for programs have some buyers remorse. I'd toss my hat in on Missouri feeling out of place more than TAM or NU. Missouri has always thought highly of their institution, which is why they wanted the Big Ten. I think both TAM and NU have enough disdain for the Longhorns that it isn't them. Then Snyder might just be bullshiting us. Maybe he's helping the conference out in a potential negotiation position with any of the "real" candidates.
 

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I have a hard time seeing Nebraska returning to a Texas dominant conference (the whole nostalgic draw centers on OU, btw). Perhaps some higher-ups could talk Nebraska in to letting Texas join the Big Ten if that was the momentum. The money coming from the Big Ten in not only athletics but research grant money is too much to pass on. But I wouldn't be surprised if certain boosters have expressed nostalgia. Like you said, Nebraska is starting to recruit at a high level, pretty amazing really and is putting some kabosh on some theories that it can't be done given the location. I've mentioned before that recruiting is about relationships. California has always provided more recruits to Nebraska than the state of Texas and now that is beginning to expanded with the California ties of the current staff. The Calibraska movement is going strong....back on point. If I had to guess, I'd say Bill is talking about Colorado and Missouri. I'm sure all for programs have some buyers remorse. I'd toss my hat in on Missouri feeling out of place more than TAM or NU. Missouri has always thought highly of their institution, which is why they wanted the Big Ten. I think both TAM and NU have enough disdain for the Longhorns that it isn't them. Then Snyder might just be bullshiting us. Maybe he's helping the conference out in a potential negotiation position with any of the "real" candidates.
The only school in the SEC who is better off is A$M. But they are just doing now what they should have been doing all along in the Big 12. Missouri is the school that's out of place. It was a very hasty decision in leaving the Big 12. The SEC is just a bad cultural fit for them, and they don't have the recruiting base nor the bagmen to be competitive in the SEC. I think they reached their peak in the first year in the league, and will become a 6-9 win team that maybe wins their division every decade. They are basically the second Kentucky in the SEC minus the basketball championships. The trouble with Mizzou is they've always fancied themselves as one of the elite teams. You know this better than anybody Run since they were big North rivals with Nebraska before they left. But they've never lived up to their own expectations. And now they are in a conference where they are going to be finishing in the middle of the pack every year. So they are now stuck between a rock and a hard place. What do they want more, a chance to win a championship or the money? The problem is once you start getting your hands on a lot of money, it's hard to give that up. So greed will most likely win out...Colorado would probably have the best chance at coming back since they aren't really much better off in the Pac-12 than they are now. But all of these teams left for a reason. That's why it's going to be hard to get any of them back...
 

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Wouldn't Colorado have to pay exorbitant exit fees to leave the PAC-12? They just gone done paying the Big 12 exit fees so I really doubt that would fly with the athletic department and university officials, although it would not surprise me if there are some coaches are others around the football program that would prefer the Big 12, but I don't think its even remotely feasible. Maybe that old bird Snyder is getting senile and confused them with Colorado State, who desperately wants to join the Big 12. They do have a new stadium going up in Fort Collins, but still probably a long shot. Sounds like the current candidates are: Connecticut, Cincinnati, UCF, Memphis, Colorado State and Houston.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/07/20/colorado-state-among-suitors-to-join-big-12-conference/

I doubt CSU gets a Big 12 invite, although I could one day see them in the PAC-12 as that's how that conference was setup with two schools from each state (Washington, Oregon, No Cal, So Cal, Arizona). Not sure there are a whole lot of sexy candidates out west, Boise, Byu, etc all have their issues.
 

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Pretty much detailed my thoughts on Missouri. Even on conference expansion they didnt hit expectations. Publicly, they are the one that struck up the 2010 expansion craze with the saber rattling and outright flirting. At the time, going SEC seemed like a homerun. Now it looks like Bartman may have made a play on the ball. Look, I know there is regret amongst some NU fans. They thought the transition would be more fruitful, but considering they didnt do anything the last ten years of the big 12 (0-3 in title games), its hardly surprising, just difficult for a proud fanbase. But hope is once again in season until it isnt.
 

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I guess Id lobby for UCF and Cincy. Get those two states for recruiting and tv.
 

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Wouldn't Colorado have to pay exorbitant exit fees to leave the PAC-12? They just gone done paying the Big 12 exit fees so I really doubt that would fly with the athletic department and university officials, although it would not surprise me if there are some coaches are others around the football program that would prefer the Big 12, but I don't think its even remotely feasible. Maybe that old bird Snyder is getting senile and confused them with Colorado State, who desperately wants to join the Big 12. They do have a new stadium going up in Fort Collins, but still probably a long shot. Sounds like the current candidates are: Connecticut, Cincinnati, UCF, Memphis, Colorado State and Houston.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/07/20/colorado-state-among-suitors-to-join-big-12-conference/

I doubt CSU gets a Big 12 invite, although I could one day see them in the PAC-12 as that's how that conference was setup with two schools from each state (Washington, Oregon, No Cal, So Cal, Arizona). Not sure there are a whole lot of sexy candidates out west, Boise, Byu, etc all have their issues.
That's another problem. I don't see any of these schools paying the GOR to come back to a shaky conference where basically nothing has changed since they left...
 

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I guess Id lobby for UCF and Cincy. Get those two states for recruiting and tv.
I've always said UCF is a potential sleeping giant because of the size of the school. And I've heard they have a pretty strong alumni base.. We could do a lot worse than bringing them in. Especially since they are located in a prime recruiting area. Cincy has pretty much been at the top of most people's list since the beginning of these expansion rumors. Plus they are a school who has made a concerted effort to grow their athletic programs, including football. That will probably hold a lot of weight with the Big 12 brass. BYU is probably talked about on the OU boards more than any school because of their fan base, stadium size, they've been competitive on a national level, etc. But the elephant in the room is still their religion. I'm not sure if they can or will be able to work around it. Some think if we were to take BYU, they would also want another school out west to come with them like a CSU. And expand the conference to 14 teams from 10 with the addition of Cincy and UCF or Memphis or possibly UConn. I would rather have 14 teams if we were to expand...
 

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Run, while we're on the subject of Nebraska, I've been looking at a few early plays for the first week while I'm still getting a few decent lines. Right now Nebraska -29.5 is right there towards the top of my list. I would have liked it at 4 TD's or less, but I think they win by 35+. Fresno won't be anywhere near the team they've had in the past. But they are still somewhat getting a little respect with Vegas, even though they went just 3-9 last year. But they are going to be hurting again this season and DeRuyter is probably on his way out. They'll be going to Lincoln with a new redshirt freshman QB and new OC and DC. It looks like a team going through some huge changes, and getting a little desperate. At any rate, going to Lincoln for their first game with just 12 starters back and all these new faces probably won't be a pretty sight...You got anything else to add on this game?
 

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