areeff- This guy Dave is a clueless moron. He must have run a sports book in Las Vegas at one time or another. What is clearly the case here is a book took a stand on an event and shaded one side. They got hit on that side and now they decided it was the "wrong line". That's their way of getting out of paying what they owe. They booked it and they should pay it. I've never played with this shit outfit but if I did, my account would be closed tonight. I hope they reconsider and do the right thing but it doesn't look that way.
What a bunch of garbage explanations from betcbs! If that conversation did indeed take place...first off. Why wasn't (isnt) this 200 prop rule set automatically into EVERYBODY's wagering system? Is this "prop" rule listed on the site? Was the line supposed to move the other way all the way back to +300? Do they still accept larger than your average bets(which doesnt seem to be the case anyway)..on losing bets. What a joke...deposit 50 and get a 50 bonus. This is a small shop with small finacial stability, is anyone surprised this happened?
Areef,
Just got thisin the mail from CBS
ALTERNATE & REVERSE RUN LINES
Here is how it works:
Tired of laying -200 on your favorite teams everyday?
Wouldn’t you rather bet the Yankees will win by more than 2.5 runs and GET +110?
Or how would you like to TAKE the Yankees on the Runline +1.5 instead of laying -1.5?
New York Yankess vs. Tampa Bay Devil Rays
Moneyline Yankees -210
Run Line Yankees -1.5 -135
Alternate Run Line Yankees -2.5 +110
Reverse Run Line Yankees +1.5 -380
Houston Astros vs. Arizona Diamondbacks
Moneyline Diamondbacks -140
Run Line Diamondbacks -1.5 +150
Alternate Run Line Diamondbacks -2.5 +220
Reverse Ruin Line Diamondbacks +1.5 -240
Alternate and Reverse Run Lines are posted by 2:00 Eastern Everyday.
$200 Max Wager Limit.
Lines are posted under the Main Menu ‘Other Sports – Props- Baseball.
Just got thisin the mail from CBS
ALTERNATE & REVERSE RUN LINES
Here is how it works:
Tired of laying -200 on your favorite teams everyday?
Wouldn’t you rather bet the Yankees will win by more than 2.5 runs and GET +110?
Or how would you like to TAKE the Yankees on the Runline +1.5 instead of laying -1.5?
New York Yankess vs. Tampa Bay Devil Rays
Moneyline Yankees -210
Run Line Yankees -1.5 -135
Alternate Run Line Yankees -2.5 +110
Reverse Run Line Yankees +1.5 -380
Houston Astros vs. Arizona Diamondbacks
Moneyline Diamondbacks -140
Run Line Diamondbacks -1.5 +150
Alternate Run Line Diamondbacks -2.5 +220
Reverse Ruin Line Diamondbacks +1.5 -240
Alternate and Reverse Run Lines are posted by 2:00 Eastern Everyday.
$200 Max Wager Limit.
Lines are posted under the Main Menu ‘Other Sports – Props- Baseball.
Don't buy any of that crap about the limit should have been $200. From BetCBS' website........
ATTENTION CUSTOMERS: Many of our current clients have been confused as to our everyday LIMITS as well as the POST-TIMES of different sport wagering lines.
Below is a complete weekly schedule:
(ALL TIMES ARE EASTERN)
FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL, BASEBALL and HOCKEY:
Overnight Lines: 10:30 pm Previous Day
Limits: $500
Full Limits: 11:00 am Day of the Game
Limits: $5000 sides $2000 totals
PGA GOLF:
Every Wednesday 11:00 am
Limits: $1000
NASCAR:
Every Saturday 5:00 pm
Limits: $1000
TENNIS:
24 hrs. before start of match
Limits: $1000
BOXING:
Every Friday 5:00 pm
Limits: $1000
SOCCER:
24 hrs. before start of match
Limits: $1000
WNBA:
Day of the game at 12:00PM
Limits: $2000 sides $1000 totals
CANADIAN FOOTBALL:
Day of the game at 12:00PM
Limits: $2000 sides $1000 totals
ARENA FOOTBALL:
Every Thursday 11:00 am
Limits: $2000 sides $1000 totals
NASCAR / FORMULA 1 ODDS TO WIN:
Friday at 12:00PM
Limit: $500
PROPS:
Mon- Fri at 2:00 / Sat. and Sun. at 12:00 Eastern
Limits: $200
Halftime Limits:
Mon-Fri at 11:00 am / Sat and Sun at 9:00 AM (first halves)
$2000 Sides and $1000 Totals
ADDED GAMES:
Everyday
$1000 Sides
This site is best viewed using the latest version of Netscape
or Internet Explorer Copyright CasaBlancaSports 1994 - 2003
ATTENTION CUSTOMERS: Many of our current clients have been confused as to our everyday LIMITS as well as the POST-TIMES of different sport wagering lines.
Below is a complete weekly schedule:
(ALL TIMES ARE EASTERN)
FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL, BASEBALL and HOCKEY:
Overnight Lines: 10:30 pm Previous Day
Limits: $500
Full Limits: 11:00 am Day of the Game
Limits: $5000 sides $2000 totals
PGA GOLF:
Every Wednesday 11:00 am
Limits: $1000
NASCAR:
Every Saturday 5:00 pm
Limits: $1000
TENNIS:
24 hrs. before start of match
Limits: $1000
BOXING:
Every Friday 5:00 pm
Limits: $1000
SOCCER:
24 hrs. before start of match
Limits: $1000
WNBA:
Day of the game at 12:00PM
Limits: $2000 sides $1000 totals
CANADIAN FOOTBALL:
Day of the game at 12:00PM
Limits: $2000 sides $1000 totals
ARENA FOOTBALL:
Every Thursday 11:00 am
Limits: $2000 sides $1000 totals
NASCAR / FORMULA 1 ODDS TO WIN:
Friday at 12:00PM
Limit: $500
PROPS:
Mon- Fri at 2:00 / Sat. and Sun. at 12:00 Eastern
Limits: $200
Halftime Limits:
Mon-Fri at 11:00 am / Sat and Sun at 9:00 AM (first halves)
$2000 Sides and $1000 Totals
ADDED GAMES:
Everyday
$1000 Sides
This site is best viewed using the latest version of Netscape
or Internet Explorer Copyright CasaBlancaSports 1994 - 2003
I have never used this book before. I am neither pro bettor nor pro book, it just depends on the situation. I have never had anything like this happen before, but the book is just flat out wrong. I will never play there now and were I you would consider flying to Dave and kicking his ass if this was true. Don't think it would help get your money, but would make me feel better if I were in the position. Sorry to hear it man.
A cross section of closing prices (Pinnacle highest at +435):
gamebookers -417 +310
Bet 365 -450 +300
Paddy Power -450 +275
WitEuro -455 +375
Nordicbet -455 +260
WSEX -500 +330
BetInternet -500 +300
Unibet -500 +315
5 Dimes -515 +410
PinnacleSports -549 +435
Canbet -556 +362
Centrebet -556 +365
Carib Sports -556 +330
BETCRIS -581 +380
Sporting Odds -588 +350
Ladbrokes -599 +350
Interwetten -667 +280
gamebookers -417 +310
Bet 365 -450 +300
Paddy Power -450 +275
WitEuro -455 +375
Nordicbet -455 +260
WSEX -500 +330
BetInternet -500 +300
Unibet -500 +315
5 Dimes -515 +410
PinnacleSports -549 +435
Canbet -556 +362
Centrebet -556 +365
Carib Sports -556 +330
BETCRIS -581 +380
Sporting Odds -588 +350
Ladbrokes -599 +350
Interwetten -667 +280
This is terrible.. I don't even want to hear the bad line arguement unless someone gets their negative signs mixed up and posts +500/-300. THAT is a bad line.
Anything else, and I mean ANYTHING else, needs to be resolved BEFORE the game goes off. If you can't hire someone to watch for this stuff 24 hours a day you should not be taking action 24 hours a day.
I would have told areeff "tough luck" had he tried to pull a scalp and then got this end of it cancelled BEFORE the game went off. Thats a risk of scalping, and frankly a book can cancel anything I bet before the game goes off, I don't care. I may leave your book, but its your right not to take my action. BEFOREHAND.
But from the moment its "game on", I think there are about 1 in a million situations deserving of after-the-fact cancellation.
This is absolutely sickening, and I will never play at BetCBS
Anything else, and I mean ANYTHING else, needs to be resolved BEFORE the game goes off. If you can't hire someone to watch for this stuff 24 hours a day you should not be taking action 24 hours a day.
I would have told areeff "tough luck" had he tried to pull a scalp and then got this end of it cancelled BEFORE the game went off. Thats a risk of scalping, and frankly a book can cancel anything I bet before the game goes off, I don't care. I may leave your book, but its your right not to take my action. BEFOREHAND.
But from the moment its "game on", I think there are about 1 in a million situations deserving of after-the-fact cancellation.
This is absolutely sickening, and I will never play at BetCBS
Another example of a Book using the "Bad line" bullcrap excuse to cover for their incompetence. BOOK A BET, PAY A BET. If you posted a "bad line", eat it, and be more careful. If you didn't set your software correctly, eat it, and make sure it is set correctlty next time. This is not a case of multi bets by beards to circumvent a limit, multi family members or "friends" betting on the same computer, sending in a Western Union to "see if the bet wins", etc, all the shady stuff that have screwed Books, and I have sided with the Books on. This is a case of a player seeing a line, betting a line, winning and getting money STOLEN from him. Unless I'm missing something, this is as clear as can be.
They should all be this clear cut. Casa Blanca is in the wrong here, and their reputation will rightfully suffer unless they pay this player in full.
They should all be this clear cut. Casa Blanca is in the wrong here, and their reputation will rightfully suffer unless they pay this player in full.
While I do not agree with Bet CBS's actions, the correct line on this game was -450/+350.
If there was a book out there that had +550, that would be a 100 cent scalp. There is no way any book had even +450. Believe me, I looked at this match at every book to scalp it. The line was a lot further off then this poster would have you believe. It was basically 250 cents off.
If there was a book out there that had +550, that would be a 100 cent scalp. There is no way any book had even +450. Believe me, I looked at this match at every book to scalp it. The line was a lot further off then this poster would have you believe. It was basically 250 cents off.
Alright ... some facts, some opinions:
1. I'm 100% sure that CBS never ever meant to post the -800/+605 odds, and that they made a mistake and really meant to post -500/+300. BetCBS is virtually "unscalpable", and there is no way they meant to hang +605.
2. I'm 95% sure that, had Areef's bet lost, CBS would NOT be refunding any or all of Areeff's losing wager.
3. I'm 99.9% sure that this bet was part of a scalp, which makes it all the more painful, as
Areeff is out of pocket at the other shoppe(s) where the other leg of the bet lost.
4. Their posted limits are $1,000 for tennis matches within 24 hours of the match. Thus, there was no problem with the amount of money that areeff bet on the game.
5. Areeff made a big mistake by not calling CBS either immediately before or immediately after placing the bet, to confirm that the line was OK.
6. Areeff was wrong when he said that he had several other betting options (books) with +500 and +550 odds. This was not the case.
7A. This was a -500/+350 mismatch on paper. There were +400s out there; Pinnacle had +435. It would not be out of the realm of possibility to think that some shoppes might hang a +600 (I have seen this happen MANY times).
7B. However, anyone who has placed more than two bets at CBS knows that it won't be CBS purposely hanging the +600. They'd be the last book to do it.
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So, what's a proper solution:
If Areeff is betting $1,000 on a +600 underdog, the guy has been doing this for awhile. He probably knew that the +605 at CBS was just a little bit too high for that shoppe, yet he took a chance.
No doubt, CBS had no intention of putting up the +605, but it wasn't a blatant palpable error. This number enticed a bettor to set up a scalp, and now the voiding of most of the bet has cost Areeff significant money on the losing legs of the scalp.
In my opinion, an acceptable solution would be to pay out the winnings on the full $1,000 bet at +435, which are the odds that were available at Pinnacle at the time.
These were the best available odds at a competing "mainstream" shoppe, and one can reasonably assume that Areeff would have placed his bet there if he knew that the +605 at CBS was not a good line.
1. I'm 100% sure that CBS never ever meant to post the -800/+605 odds, and that they made a mistake and really meant to post -500/+300. BetCBS is virtually "unscalpable", and there is no way they meant to hang +605.
2. I'm 95% sure that, had Areef's bet lost, CBS would NOT be refunding any or all of Areeff's losing wager.
3. I'm 99.9% sure that this bet was part of a scalp, which makes it all the more painful, as
Areeff is out of pocket at the other shoppe(s) where the other leg of the bet lost.
4. Their posted limits are $1,000 for tennis matches within 24 hours of the match. Thus, there was no problem with the amount of money that areeff bet on the game.
5. Areeff made a big mistake by not calling CBS either immediately before or immediately after placing the bet, to confirm that the line was OK.
6. Areeff was wrong when he said that he had several other betting options (books) with +500 and +550 odds. This was not the case.
7A. This was a -500/+350 mismatch on paper. There were +400s out there; Pinnacle had +435. It would not be out of the realm of possibility to think that some shoppes might hang a +600 (I have seen this happen MANY times).
7B. However, anyone who has placed more than two bets at CBS knows that it won't be CBS purposely hanging the +600. They'd be the last book to do it.
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So, what's a proper solution:
If Areeff is betting $1,000 on a +600 underdog, the guy has been doing this for awhile. He probably knew that the +605 at CBS was just a little bit too high for that shoppe, yet he took a chance.
No doubt, CBS had no intention of putting up the +605, but it wasn't a blatant palpable error. This number enticed a bettor to set up a scalp, and now the voiding of most of the bet has cost Areeff significant money on the losing legs of the scalp.
In my opinion, an acceptable solution would be to pay out the winnings on the full $1,000 bet at +435, which are the odds that were available at Pinnacle at the time.
These were the best available odds at a competing "mainstream" shoppe, and one can reasonably assume that Areeff would have placed his bet there if he knew that the +605 at CBS was not a good line.
I basically disagree completely with what buck naked said. He is not a very good scalper/line shopper if he could only find -450/+350.
If you look at the railbird threads he would posts picks and i would find 25-50c scalps the other direction or even the same direction.
Ex +125 (found +150)
Ex -150 (found opposite +200)
As i said many many times the best lines that were even as high as +650 were in foreign unreputable books so i went with the highest reputable line.
Remember these lines are pushed hard. I have pushed a line from -500 to -1200 on a person opinion layind down 5-10 dimes.
I saw Roddick YES +1100 Wimbledon -790 NO.
Which is the bad line?
Another example is i find RODDICK YES +1400 FRENCH OPEN -1100 NO
Where is the bad line? It's a scalp of course..
But when do you decide which line is bad?
I offered Dave via Max to pay this out at +530/+500 which is the scalp price and he refused.
At this point if i was going to get F'ed i would obviously like 1000 to win 4350 and to learn a lesson and everyone else will learn a lesson that cbs are thieves.
I agree with Halifax that these places rarely post dog lines but how is that different than their excellent favorite line on huge favorites. They'll hang a -3999 when they should be hanging it -6000.
They didn't cancel that bet(probably because it was to win 100)
If you look at the railbird threads he would posts picks and i would find 25-50c scalps the other direction or even the same direction.
Ex +125 (found +150)
Ex -150 (found opposite +200)
As i said many many times the best lines that were even as high as +650 were in foreign unreputable books so i went with the highest reputable line.
Remember these lines are pushed hard. I have pushed a line from -500 to -1200 on a person opinion layind down 5-10 dimes.
I saw Roddick YES +1100 Wimbledon -790 NO.
Which is the bad line?
Another example is i find RODDICK YES +1400 FRENCH OPEN -1100 NO
Where is the bad line? It's a scalp of course..
But when do you decide which line is bad?
I offered Dave via Max to pay this out at +530/+500 which is the scalp price and he refused.
At this point if i was going to get F'ed i would obviously like 1000 to win 4350 and to learn a lesson and everyone else will learn a lesson that cbs are thieves.
I agree with Halifax that these places rarely post dog lines but how is that different than their excellent favorite line on huge favorites. They'll hang a -3999 when they should be hanging it -6000.
They didn't cancel that bet(probably because it was to win 100)
Nice work Halifax...A few observations:
1. Agree
2. More like 100%. Dave @ BetCBS took a Free Shot at Areeff, once he got burned he welched on the bet.
3. - 7. Agree
Dave, this is B.S. Halifax has proposed a somewhat fair settlement. I know it hurts to get beat like this, but paying the wager is the only right thing to do.
1. Agree
2. More like 100%. Dave @ BetCBS took a Free Shot at Areeff, once he got burned he welched on the bet.
3. - 7. Agree
Dave, this is B.S. Halifax has proposed a somewhat fair settlement. I know it hurts to get beat like this, but paying the wager is the only right thing to do.
