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BETCBS/CASABLANCA STEALING Thousands of dollars AFTER AN EVENT HAS HAPPENED/POST HERE IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by assassin:
How many times did YOU scalp this line at cbs? that seems to be part of the issue, or so they say.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
assassin:
Let me get out my crystal ball. Is it the number 4 you are thinking of ?
How many times did YOU scalp this line at cbs? that seems to be part of the issue, or so they say.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
assassin:
Let me get out my crystal ball. Is it the number 4 you are thinking of ?
Well since someone already spoiled the pot yes i was told there were 4 bets on this. 1 from a guy i know and share scalps with, 1 from a guy who has emailed me who lives somewhere in the midwest? MI? MN? and another from a guy in italy.
If someone is going to try to say i have people in italy and MI?/MN? betting for me that is ludicrious. The guy who lives in my old city? I don't even live at my address i signup to books under. It's just a convenient property that our family owns for mail. There is NO BEARDING, no fault. I won't say that isn't unheard of at a book like SIA where limits are 220 and a guy wants to put down a nickel or so he'll ask me to place a bet for him but would i want 24000 in CBS? hell no. I bet a dime because it was THEIR max and MINE for this type of book.
The guy in europe (not italy) i got the line from says the line moved to +605 in the last hour before match start, but that is hearsay. That would be 3AM PST 11AM GMT as i believe the match started 4AM PST. \
Was this the post you are talkign about?
http://www.bettorspub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=6b0d04e6dbcdbf16f110d3ca433a9817&threadid=4941
If someone is going to try to say i have people in italy and MI?/MN? betting for me that is ludicrious. The guy who lives in my old city? I don't even live at my address i signup to books under. It's just a convenient property that our family owns for mail. There is NO BEARDING, no fault. I won't say that isn't unheard of at a book like SIA where limits are 220 and a guy wants to put down a nickel or so he'll ask me to place a bet for him but would i want 24000 in CBS? hell no. I bet a dime because it was THEIR max and MINE for this type of book.
The guy in europe (not italy) i got the line from says the line moved to +605 in the last hour before match start, but that is hearsay. That would be 3AM PST 11AM GMT as i believe the match started 4AM PST. \
Was this the post you are talkign about?
http://www.bettorspub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=6b0d04e6dbcdbf16f110d3ca433a9817&threadid=4941
Assassin...would you be kind enough to share any additional info you may have regarding this situation or post the link you speak of. I wouldn't begin to know where to find it. Something bothers me as to why(with this huge readership) no one else has come forth to POST here complaining that they also were NOT paid by Casablanca. I asked in a previous post (yesterday) could Mr . Arreef be an isolated "no pay" by Dave Johnson because of a personal anger with his betting pattern?? Not saying Johnsion is right if that's the case, but something just doesn't fully make sense to me the more I think about this. I'm concerned by this entire situation because I have always had a good relationship with Casablanca and I have referred several friends there as well. Thanks in advance.
here is the claim by casablanca which is pure BS
The person bringing this charge seems to have had, or still has, four different accounts with CBS, after a little digging was done. The line was evidently bad (but that is not necessarily a defense), and it was hit four times in twenty minutes at around 5:00 AM
It was claimed by an advertisor for betcbs.
1 the guy in the midwest emailed me through bucky. I asked him to post. Don't know why he won't post but he and the other guy (i won't name either for privary reasons) said they'll just see what happens with me. I will give there emails addresses to a moderator who emails me at dreamfall2112@hotmail.com
I have NOTHING to hide hence why i posted the link and exactly what was said.
This is not a case of that jackass who had 7 accounts at SIA nailing them all over and over again. This is not even close this is 1 bet that was cancelled!
The person bringing this charge seems to have had, or still has, four different accounts with CBS, after a little digging was done. The line was evidently bad (but that is not necessarily a defense), and it was hit four times in twenty minutes at around 5:00 AM
It was claimed by an advertisor for betcbs.
1 the guy in the midwest emailed me through bucky. I asked him to post. Don't know why he won't post but he and the other guy (i won't name either for privary reasons) said they'll just see what happens with me. I will give there emails addresses to a moderator who emails me at dreamfall2112@hotmail.com
I have NOTHING to hide hence why i posted the link and exactly what was said.
This is not a case of that jackass who had 7 accounts at SIA nailing them all over and over again. This is not even close this is 1 bet that was cancelled!
areef
e-mail addresses you send a moderator counts for zilch. Could the reason these "stiffed people" you suggest contacted you won't follow your suggestion to post their complaint be because ther'd be 3 separate posts each having the total number of posts at #1 in the lower left hand corner of each of them??
e-mail addresses you send a moderator counts for zilch. Could the reason these "stiffed people" you suggest contacted you won't follow your suggestion to post their complaint be because ther'd be 3 separate posts each having the total number of posts at #1 in the lower left hand corner of each of them??
Areef posted the link himself, which is a class move imho. Areef, no one is accusing you of anything, no hidden agendas, just trying to get all the facts.
I do wish you the best in resolving this situation. I have always believed if a book posts a line, they should honor it. regardless of anything else, this is their responisbility to ensure they have adequate, well trained staff, and adequate supervision.
I do wish you the best in resolving this situation. I have always believed if a book posts a line, they should honor it. regardless of anything else, this is their responisbility to ensure they have adequate, well trained staff, and adequate supervision.
assasin i appreciate your effort on both sides of the situation. once all the IPs show no problems this situation will be put to rest.
Jim: That is possible. I'm not sure if either are members of RX and the 4th person from italy is out of thise whole loop so who knows what happened with him.
Jim: That is possible. I'm not sure if either are members of RX and the 4th person from italy is out of thise whole loop so who knows what happened with him.
I'll bet I know the name of the Italian. I'm sure he is following this thread and I know he holds the record for most sportsbook problems.
I can see where an operator looks at this and thinks so what about these scalpers, they are not real players anyway.
Where is the love? Have you hugged your scalper today?
I can see where an operator looks at this and thinks so what about these scalpers, they are not real players anyway.
Where is the love? Have you hugged your scalper today?
get over it. I just dont feel it's fair to make some of the assumptions and throw them out there like you did. And the number of posts criteria is typical 'pot calling the kettle black.'
I dont understand what the problem is with 4 different IP's having the same wagers. Especially since this is an info exchange site, and there are quite a few people who visit here just to get down on solid handicappers' plays. Hell, I tell quite a few of my friends off-line what I like, does that mean I'm in danger of getting booted for being a mover? Hope that's not something on the horizon for posters.
I dont pay attention to # of posts. After your comment, I didnt recognize your name, and saw that you only had 11 posts, so I found your comment humorous. 99% of my posts are what I am wagering on, do a search. The other 1% have been recently, during the slow, boring baseball season.
I dont understand what the problem is with 4 different IP's having the same wagers. Especially since this is an info exchange site, and there are quite a few people who visit here just to get down on solid handicappers' plays. Hell, I tell quite a few of my friends off-line what I like, does that mean I'm in danger of getting booted for being a mover? Hope that's not something on the horizon for posters.
I dont pay attention to # of posts. After your comment, I didnt recognize your name, and saw that you only had 11 posts, so I found your comment humorous. 99% of my posts are what I am wagering on, do a search. The other 1% have been recently, during the slow, boring baseball season.
I've read this entire thread and here is the way I see it.
1) Casablanca is not open over night to call and speak directly with a clerk or manager. Even if Areff wanted to tell them they had an off number he couldn't.
2) That would mean that the +605 number had to have been posted before closing or at closing.
3) If a book is not going to be available to be notified that they have a bad line up then they should absolutely take full responsibility for what lines they have posted.(i.e. PAY THE MAN)
4) Casablanca is further liable because if you are a book that is going to leave lines up overnight with no one there to monitor the action then the first thing that should have been done was for someone to doublecheck the line before they went home to bed for the night. If this wasn't done that is Casablanca's fault not Areff.
5) I believe Areff is wrong when he states they moved to that line an hour before post. I just think that is the first time he noticed the off number. They couldn't have made the change then if they weren't there. The mistake should have been caught by Cssablanca before they went to bed.
6) What would Casablanca do in basketball or football season if an overnight injury came up that caused a line to move 3 or 4 points. Cancel everybody's bet in the morning? Injuries are part of betting and booking bets with no manager available to move your lines is a risk Casablanca assumed and should be held responsible for.
7) The fact that it may have been bet several times and also by people that Areff may or may not know is irrelevant to this issue. Had it been an overnight injury and word spread they would have gotten hit multiple times as well. Had Areff told his friends that he found a good off number then they are entitled to bet it too. An over night manager could have spotted the error on the first hit and handled it appropriately at the time. Areff is not responsible for Casablanca's inability to afford an overnight manager.
8) The only reason any of us are having this discussion is because the dog won.
a) Had it lost Areff certainly would not have complained that he should get a refund because he bet an off number.
b) Had he called after the match lost requesting a refund. He would have got nothing not even half his bet back even though Mr. Johnson claims he was being more than fair honoring a 500 bet at lower odds.
c) Had Areff come to the forum complaining that Casablaca didn't refund his bet for betting a bad line this forum would have blasted Areff and told him to quit being a sore loser.
9) I did a search of Casablanca and BETCBS on this forum and noticed as others had pointed out that whenever Casablanca is attacked Mr Johnson has always been quick to respond and present a point of view from his side that although not everybody agreed with at least presented his point in a logical and reasonable manner.
10) I don't buy the excuse that he is out of the country and that is why we haven't heard from him. Even if he is away I find it hard to believe that he is not completely on top of all the facts regarding this situation and has no access to a computer to log on and respond. I consider his failure to respond an admission of guilt.
11) I had considered posting there earlier this year to bet first half baseball lines but didn't because they were dealing 40 cent lines. I'm glad I never did because this incident has made it clear to me that there must be other reasons why they refuse to pay.
12) A book willing to take this much heat over $4500 must have a lot more problems than just the ability to pay that money. They obviously can't afford an overnight manager at $5 an hour to protect them from their pre bed time mistakes.
In summary my opinion is that Casablanca has to pay the money if for no other reason simply because had the bet turned out the other way they would have kept all the losing bets. The players have a hard enough time trying to win, if the books are allowed to have it both ways then the players don't have a chance. My recommendation is tread carefully with any dealings with this book.
Remember it is little things like this that are the early signs of an Aces Gold/ Sportsmarket waiting to happen.
1) Casablanca is not open over night to call and speak directly with a clerk or manager. Even if Areff wanted to tell them they had an off number he couldn't.
2) That would mean that the +605 number had to have been posted before closing or at closing.
3) If a book is not going to be available to be notified that they have a bad line up then they should absolutely take full responsibility for what lines they have posted.(i.e. PAY THE MAN)
4) Casablanca is further liable because if you are a book that is going to leave lines up overnight with no one there to monitor the action then the first thing that should have been done was for someone to doublecheck the line before they went home to bed for the night. If this wasn't done that is Casablanca's fault not Areff.
5) I believe Areff is wrong when he states they moved to that line an hour before post. I just think that is the first time he noticed the off number. They couldn't have made the change then if they weren't there. The mistake should have been caught by Cssablanca before they went to bed.
6) What would Casablanca do in basketball or football season if an overnight injury came up that caused a line to move 3 or 4 points. Cancel everybody's bet in the morning? Injuries are part of betting and booking bets with no manager available to move your lines is a risk Casablanca assumed and should be held responsible for.
7) The fact that it may have been bet several times and also by people that Areff may or may not know is irrelevant to this issue. Had it been an overnight injury and word spread they would have gotten hit multiple times as well. Had Areff told his friends that he found a good off number then they are entitled to bet it too. An over night manager could have spotted the error on the first hit and handled it appropriately at the time. Areff is not responsible for Casablanca's inability to afford an overnight manager.
8) The only reason any of us are having this discussion is because the dog won.
a) Had it lost Areff certainly would not have complained that he should get a refund because he bet an off number.
b) Had he called after the match lost requesting a refund. He would have got nothing not even half his bet back even though Mr. Johnson claims he was being more than fair honoring a 500 bet at lower odds.
c) Had Areff come to the forum complaining that Casablaca didn't refund his bet for betting a bad line this forum would have blasted Areff and told him to quit being a sore loser.
9) I did a search of Casablanca and BETCBS on this forum and noticed as others had pointed out that whenever Casablanca is attacked Mr Johnson has always been quick to respond and present a point of view from his side that although not everybody agreed with at least presented his point in a logical and reasonable manner.
10) I don't buy the excuse that he is out of the country and that is why we haven't heard from him. Even if he is away I find it hard to believe that he is not completely on top of all the facts regarding this situation and has no access to a computer to log on and respond. I consider his failure to respond an admission of guilt.
11) I had considered posting there earlier this year to bet first half baseball lines but didn't because they were dealing 40 cent lines. I'm glad I never did because this incident has made it clear to me that there must be other reasons why they refuse to pay.
12) A book willing to take this much heat over $4500 must have a lot more problems than just the ability to pay that money. They obviously can't afford an overnight manager at $5 an hour to protect them from their pre bed time mistakes.
In summary my opinion is that Casablanca has to pay the money if for no other reason simply because had the bet turned out the other way they would have kept all the losing bets. The players have a hard enough time trying to win, if the books are allowed to have it both ways then the players don't have a chance. My recommendation is tread carefully with any dealings with this book.
Remember it is little things like this that are the early signs of an Aces Gold/ Sportsmarket waiting to happen.
Nice post Paula. My friend is at work today. I have a ball game tonight but will get a chance to visit tomorrow. I suggested an e-mail to Krackman as we sat at the same table to watch the last Super Bowl together last January. Grandfather, myself, and my friend had a nice discussion about baseball after the game.
So far, he is waiting to hear back from his e-mails to CBS to Dave. No luck on the phone to talk to anyone in charge. I am not sure what else he can do to tell his side of it. If Krackman is busy perhaps we could work out a call or interview with an interested moderator here.
At this point, I don't think the Pope can get CBS to respond.
So far, he is waiting to hear back from his e-mails to CBS to Dave. No luck on the phone to talk to anyone in charge. I am not sure what else he can do to tell his side of it. If Krackman is busy perhaps we could work out a call or interview with an interested moderator here.
At this point, I don't think the Pope can get CBS to respond.
