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Hey all, I have a quick question regarding lines...
Last night I played these:
Washington St v Stanford +4.5/-4.5, 2x 1.91 @ Stanford
Arizona St v Oregon -8/+8, 2x 1.91 @ Arizona St
They were both winners, which is good of course, but I have a question about the handicaps. What is the difference between whole numbers and halfs? I mean, in this case I needed Stanford to win with 5 points and Arizona to win with 8 points right? What is the reason to play with half points, which can never be scored? Why not put Stanford at -5 instead of -4.5?
The same goes with scored goals in for instance hockey or soccer. Why would a bookie sometimes use the over 5.5 or over 2.5 goals and sometimes over 5 or over 2 goals, which actually means the same, as scoring 0.5 goals is impossible.
Thanks
Last night I played these:
Washington St v Stanford +4.5/-4.5, 2x 1.91 @ Stanford
Arizona St v Oregon -8/+8, 2x 1.91 @ Arizona St
They were both winners, which is good of course, but I have a question about the handicaps. What is the difference between whole numbers and halfs? I mean, in this case I needed Stanford to win with 5 points and Arizona to win with 8 points right? What is the reason to play with half points, which can never be scored? Why not put Stanford at -5 instead of -4.5?
The same goes with scored goals in for instance hockey or soccer. Why would a bookie sometimes use the over 5.5 or over 2.5 goals and sometimes over 5 or over 2 goals, which actually means the same, as scoring 0.5 goals is impossible.
Thanks
First of all welcome to the RX. As to your question, when a bookmaker posts an opening line it is, in theory, with the intent of getting equal action on both sides of the line, however, the line is moved by money wagered. Half points can and do make the difference between a winner and a loser many, many times.
In your examples, Stanford had to win by 5 for you to win. If the number was -5, Stanford would have had to win by 6 for you to win. If they only won by 5, you would have pushed and had no action. Arizona State had to win by 9, which is exactly what they did (66-57), so you won. Had they only won by 8, you would have pushed. In your hockey examples, the over 5.5 and 2.5 means the total must be 6 and 3 respectively for you to win. If they score 5 and 2, you would lose. Thus, you can see the half point or half goal is very important and can be the difference between and win and a loss. Bottom line: The half point or goal is not the same as the whole point or goal.
OMT,
I play my State Pick Three and Pick Four Lotto. I look at past winners and the probability of a number showing up in a given column after a period of a no show for ten drawings. For example in the Pick Three, I will look down the column for a number that has hit in a while and then go to the second column, find a number that has not hit and finally across to the third column. Then I will play those three individual numbers in a box. I hit two out of three a lot in my boxes and occassionally win, but there is a grey area I just can't seem to peg down. The same holds true for Pick Four where I will hit three out of four in my boxes, but just can't seem to hit that last number. Any thoughts or suggestions.
Thanks
JJB
I play my State Pick Three and Pick Four Lotto. I look at past winners and the probability of a number showing up in a given column after a period of a no show for ten drawings. For example in the Pick Three, I will look down the column for a number that has hit in a while and then go to the second column, find a number that has not hit and finally across to the third column. Then I will play those three individual numbers in a box. I hit two out of three a lot in my boxes and occassionally win, but there is a grey area I just can't seem to peg down. The same holds true for Pick Four where I will hit three out of four in my boxes, but just can't seem to hit that last number. Any thoughts or suggestions.
Thanks
JJB
Thanks OMT, I'm happy with the handicap numbers, that's really helpful as I didn't know matches would be pushed. However, the goals still don't really make sense to me. I mean, scoring over 2 goals is the same as scoring over 2.5 goals and scoring over 5 goals is the same as scoring over 5.5 goals. In both cases 2 and 5 goals are not enough, but 3 and 6 goals are winners in both occasions.
OK, let me explain the goals in another way. Let's think of the under the total goals. If the numbers were 2 and 5 goals instead of 2.5 and 5.5 goals, you would need 1 or 4 goals to win as 2 and 5 goals would be pushes, but with 2.5 and 5.5 goals, you would need 2 and 5 goals or less to win.
Hi. OMT!!!!!!!!
I just made a account at sportsbook.
I got a few newbie questions.... (sorry i did not bother looking for other post that might be related to this question)
1. How mmuch do you think i should deposit into the account? (i was thinking 300 and bet 50 bucks per a game )
2. Are there fees when you deposit?
3. What if I bet like 50 bucks and lost are there juice invovled?
4. When I want to payout are there fees involved?
I just made a account at sportsbook.
I got a few newbie questions.... (sorry i did not bother looking for other post that might be related to this question)
1. How mmuch do you think i should deposit into the account? (i was thinking 300 and bet 50 bucks per a game )
2. Are there fees when you deposit?
3. What if I bet like 50 bucks and lost are there juice invovled?
4. When I want to payout are there fees involved?
Welcome to the RX. Here are the answer to your questions.
1. Each sportsbook has a policy on covering fees for transferring funds depending on your method of transfer. They add the fees to your account. Normally, they require about a $300 to $500 deposit. You may get a promotion as well.
2. There is juice in most every wager. The norm is 10%. In other words, if you bet $50 and lose you lose $50 but if you win, you win $45.45.
3. Most sportsbooks have a fee for a payout which depends on the method you choose for delivery of your funds.
I suggest that you check the following link for Sportsbook, study the website before depositing. Look for any phone numbers and discuss what you wish to do with a customer service representative. Best of luck
http://www.sportsbook.com/
OMT,
In NBA Quarter wagering, does the cumulative score count in the tally or is the outcome determined by the quarter score only. For example if the third quarter line for Milwaukee Denver was Denver -2, does Denver have to be winning the game at the end of the third quarter by two to cover or is it be winning the third quarter box score by two to cover. They could win the quarter and not be winning the game at the end of the third. Same is true with fourth quarter. Which instance is an individual wagering upon when he/she wagers on quarters?
Thanks For Time And Consideration,
JJB
In NBA Quarter wagering, does the cumulative score count in the tally or is the outcome determined by the quarter score only. For example if the third quarter line for Milwaukee Denver was Denver -2, does Denver have to be winning the game at the end of the third quarter by two to cover or is it be winning the third quarter box score by two to cover. They could win the quarter and not be winning the game at the end of the third. Same is true with fourth quarter. Which instance is an individual wagering upon when he/she wagers on quarters?
Thanks For Time And Consideration,
JJB
In quarter wagering, you are betting the side or total of that quarter only. The game score has nothing to do with quarter betting. In your example, if you bet Denver -2, they would have to beat Milwaukee by 3 points in the third quarter scoring only to win. If they won by 2, the wager would be a push (no action). If they won by 1, the wager would lose.
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My PM feature is not activated. You can always send me an e-mail at oldmanted@therx.com.
OMT,
Some Books offer reduced juice for straight bets. The following example compares a regular line and a reduced juice line.
Regular:
Harvard +14 1/2 -110 +885 O142 1/2 - 110
Cornell -14 1/2 -110 -1350 U142 1/2 -110
Reduced Juice:
Harvard +14 1/2 -106 +885 O142 1/2 -106
Cornell -14 1/2 -104 -1250 U142 1/2 -104
QUESTION:
For the new guy on the block, such as myself, why wouldn't I choose reduced juice for every straight wager I place. In the long run, on losing straight bets, the reduced juice paid could add up to more money to bet with on a later ocassion. That is instead of 110 EVERY TIME, 106 each time for a difference of four. After six wagers, that is $24.00 dollars to be placed on another TWO wagers (if those wagers are 11 for 10). The point spread isn't effected so the odds for the player are the same. Even the ML in the above example goes down. So why would a novice gambler choose to pay the extra four dollars, when he/she can get the same payoff for less?
Thanks for listening,
JJB
Some Books offer reduced juice for straight bets. The following example compares a regular line and a reduced juice line.
Regular:
Harvard +14 1/2 -110 +885 O142 1/2 - 110
Cornell -14 1/2 -110 -1350 U142 1/2 -110
Reduced Juice:
Harvard +14 1/2 -106 +885 O142 1/2 -106
Cornell -14 1/2 -104 -1250 U142 1/2 -104
QUESTION:
For the new guy on the block, such as myself, why wouldn't I choose reduced juice for every straight wager I place. In the long run, on losing straight bets, the reduced juice paid could add up to more money to bet with on a later ocassion. That is instead of 110 EVERY TIME, 106 each time for a difference of four. After six wagers, that is $24.00 dollars to be placed on another TWO wagers (if those wagers are 11 for 10). The point spread isn't effected so the odds for the player are the same. Even the ML in the above example goes down. So why would a novice gambler choose to pay the extra four dollars, when he/she can get the same payoff for less?
Thanks for listening,
JJB
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