Key Democrat says national health care can NOT include illegal aliens -- But amnesty would lock in the illegal health cost
By
Roy Beck, Thursday, May 21, 2009, 6:19 PM
A key Democratic Senator in the health care overhaul
says illegal aliens can't be covered under whatever emerges. Open-borders advocates are howling. Here's the big question for national Democratic leaders: If they recognize that national health insurance for illegal aliens is too expensive, can they see that an
amnesty essentially locks in the cost by qualifying 12-20 million illegal aliens for the health care -- plus millions of their relatives who will follow?
We’re not going to cover undocumented aliens, undocumented workers.
-- Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., on Thursday, May 21, 2009
A
story by Jim Landers of the Dallas Morning News quoted Baucus who is the Senate Finance Committee chairman. He said that health care reforms that aim to insure every American won’t provide insurance for illegal immigrants and may not address the cost to state and local governments for providing medical care to this large group of the uninsured.
Baucus
recognizes that illegal immigrants comprise 15-22% of the estimated 47 million U.S. residents without health insurance.
It is the growth among the uninsured that is helping drive the political effort to change the health care system. Previous studies have shown that illegal aliens account for nearly all of the growth in the uninsured in recent years.
So, what to do with them in the national health care solution is a big elephant in the room.
Leaders of various open-borders groups cried out that the health care reform has to provide full medical coverage to all illegal aliens. While illegal aliens get all kinds of free medical care already, primarily through emergency rooms and the like, including them in national health insurance would cost the equivalent of a bank bailout.
One of the reasons open-borders advocates would rather push an amnesty through Congress before health care legislation is that the publicized cost of the amnesty would be far less if national health coverage isn't included.
But it will be important to remind leaders that granting amnesty to 12-20 million illegal aliens would add incredible costs if they are guaranteed a high level of health care under a new national medical system.
I think Sen. Baucus understands. Baucus was one of 14 Democratic Senators who voted against the giant amnesty in 2007, defying his Party leaders.
Interestingly, Sen. Baucus
emphasized on Thursday that any talk of giving this kind of health benefits to illegal aliens would be politically explosive.
The national health solution debate will be explosive enough by itself. Imagine adding illegal aliens to it.
Baucus' comment, though, is yet another confirmation that the constant resistance of ordinary Americans to amnesties and rewards for illegal immigration are having a positive effect on Congress. Grassroots opposition is just what the doctor ordered.
ROY BECK is Founder & CEO of NumbersUSA
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John7446 of CA
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 3:39pm
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A perfect example of back door politics. Make the illegals citizens, then they can give them government health care at some one else's expense.
Carolyn9971 of MS
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 3:00pm
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No one that is not a bonafied citizen of the United States should get ANY free medical care. We, as taxpayers, are angry that the welfare rolls continue to increase, the medicaid rolls continue to increase, and illegal aliens (of any country) are getting, not only free medical aid, but all of the above. Our government's mindset is totally off base. My grandchildren will have to work all their lives to pay for these foolish expenditures. Why do you think we have so many illegal aliens and deadbeats in America? It is because we are a nation of giving to those that have not earned anything and never will as long as they can get it for free.
Marino1484 of CA
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 12:46pm
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What is happening to our country?! Get involved!
Barry2926 of FL
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 11:54am
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Sharon i feel for your
Sharon i feel for your remorse for what you gave to are country and thank you,but we are the goverment and them scum are the politicians Thank you for your service / Barry
Wanda8734 of IL
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 11:46am
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I agree 100% It is timeto take care of the American Citizens.
Barry2926 of FL
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 11:37am
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When will we ever geta real AMERICAN politician who loves this country,and not just his pocket book?Your so wright John. With you/ Barry
Dorothy7665 of NE
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 11:26am
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I support comprehensive health care reform; many families are uninsured and without vital services until the emergency room becomes the only option for treatment-- this situation is very costly (emergency room care is way more expensive than preventative care in the long run).
The United States in my opinion should encourage other nations such as Mexico to implement comprehensive health care reforms for their citizens as well. That would be a much better alternative than yet another U. S. immigration amnesty in my opinion because our national infrastructure cannot be an effective substitute for the health care delivery systems of other countries without injuring health care delivery on both sides of the border.
Sheldon2254 of RI
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 11:08am
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some are like that, they get your vote along with a handshake or picture, then they don't know you anymore once they're in!!!!!
John3870 of MN
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 11:03am
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My son almost died of a
My son almost died of a bleeding ucler when he was 14 because the emergency room was overflowing with immigrants. By the time they helped him he had no pulse. This happened in Minnesota of all places. Yes it would make sense to have insurance for everyody in the country. However there is one overaching fact that comes before all else...illegals shouldn't be here in the first place and legals needs to come in managable numbers. That will solve the problem of medical care being over run by poor/uninsured immigrants. Dah, irrational compassion can factually kill those who generously give their place in line to many who exploit us and our health system.
Wil7167 of LA
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 10:34am
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Alvey, we get no response at all from Sen. Landrieu just as you don't-- not even a form letter or email! She must respond only to registered Democrats who donated to her campaign. On the other hand Sen. Vitter responds frequently. One more thing, I've called her offices in DC and BTR when there was no answer, no availability to leave a message either. It is very discouraging,and my skeptical nature wonders if that's her intent.
Beverly4527 of AL
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 9:13am
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Theresa7699, Grab your Republican friends and bring them to the Tea Party in DC. 9/12/09.
Your right about electing some honest, REAL people. No more Politicians. The Constitution stated that " A farmer would put down his plow and serve in Congress for two yrs. before coming back home to plow."
Beverly4527 of AL
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 9:01am
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Once these Illegal Immigrants are given amnesty, being made U.S. Citizens is next, then comes the Healthcare. Who do they think they are fooling? Amnesty needs to be voted OUT no matter what!
Elynor3483 of CA
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 5:30am
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I send faxes too to EVERYBODY but I dont see it doing any good. The mail room tallies and sends to the reps and it goes no further than that.
These people - and I use the term loosely - in DC think we are idiots, know we have no voice nor power, laugh at us and do their own thing. They vote for what they want, not what you and I want.
Whoever is pulling BO's strings in Wash has promised big rewards to the idiots we have elected. Where is an honest person with work ethic and integrity?
I watch the House of Reps channel on TV for as long as I can stand it. Where are the 435 we pay salaries to? Not there. They never read the bills just pass them. All they have to do is say No to BO and the puppeteers-not until I have read it.
Democrats get up to speak, are articulate and have info to back up their positions. Repubs have nothing to say and so hem and hah the entire 30 secs. What a sham!
Waiting for elections is too much time. The country is being sold down the tubes faster than we can type. Now he has his own media and will tell us what he wants. So much for the transparency he bragged about in his campaign.
I have worked with criminals for 13 years. His mindset is exactly theirs. They are a different breed with no conscience. He wouldn't know truth if it stood in front of him.
I'll keep sending faxes here and on my own but I have lost hope.
William4157 of NC
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 5:06am
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David, I think you have a
David,
I think you have a very good Idea, It would give the readers a shorter and more direct point of a subject.
You could catch the jest of the matter rather than reader a two page discussion of what is on most peoples minds.
Click the ( Contact Us ) Button and shoot it to the I'm pretty positive you'll at least get a responce. That's more than what most of these subjects are all about no responce from their Reps.
P.S. As a disabled veteran from the Nam area illegals seem to have more rights and better care than most vets do. I do think if they're caught they should go. No BS about it.
Ed8236 of AZ
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 3:01am
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midge dont get upset youve sent it and they ve read it.
there are thousands of people like you and me doing this.
i set here one weekend and faxed almost every rep or senatot on an issue. what matters is we are one of thousands and we just keep doing this knowing we are making a difference even
tho they dont answser. one of the numbersusa people report sending 43000 faxes in one day ordered up by people like you and me. just smile and laugh with satisfaction you are making a differnce you and i and thousands just like us are making a s difference
Joel4083 of PA
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 2:45am
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Even if the amnesty does not become law, we have another scary situation. Although it has not come to the floor since 2003 when it was introduced by Congressman John Conyers, H.R.676 is a house bill in progress that if passed will create the biggest drain on our economy in history.
Under "Who is Eligible " The bill reads: EVERY PERSON LIVING OR VISITING IN THE UNITED STATES AND THE US TERRITORIES WOULD RECEIVE A UNITED STATES NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE CARED AND ID NUMBER ONCE THEY ENROLL AT THE APPORPRIATE LOCATION. SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS MAY NOT BE USED WHEN ASSIGNING ID CARDS"
Under what is covered: THIS PROGRAM WILL COVER ALL MEDICALLY NECESSARY SERVICES, INCLUDING PRIMARY CARE, INPATIENT CARE, OUTPATIENT CARE, EMERGENCY CARE, PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, DURABLE MEDICAL EQUIPMENT, LONG TERM CARE, MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, DENTISTRY, EYE CARE, CHIORPRACTIC, AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE TREATMENT. PATIENTS HAVE THEIR CHOICE OF PHYSICIANS, PROVIDERS, HOSPITALS, CLINICS, AND PREACICES. NO CO-PAYS OR DEDUCTIBLES ARE PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE ACT"
Don't take my word for it. The bill and many summaries are on the web for you to take a look at.
Although from what I have read, H.R.676 has virtually no chance of passing or even coming up for a vote, but with 75 original co signers, there will be pressure to put some of the wording into new bills that will come to the floor over the next year or two.
If his happens, not only illegals, but legal foreign workers, medical vacationers, and the children of all three categories will have access to the free health care that Americans pay for in taxes.
The average cost of health care in the US per person today is $7,800, and of course will rise with inflation.
At some point , we will have 100 million people in the categories above here with their hands for their free care and the care of their anchor children.
Although a well run single payer system like the one above might sound great to hard working Americans, unless we find a way to stop the illegal and foreign use of our free system, it will go bankrupt, along with the rest of us very early on.
A single payer health care system might or might no be affordable for American citizens, and potentially in our best interest, but we have to watch very carefully that our lawmakers are no handing it out like candy to foreigners with their hands out.
By the way, the "free health care" is expected to Cover
8 million residents of Puerto Rico, Samoa, Guam, American Virgin Islands, and the Marianas. None of these independent countries playing at being American colonies pay any federal tax, so how many of them and how will they pay for their free services. They do though pay some token Medicare and Medicaid taxes.
We need to make sure any nationalized single payer health plan that is not just for American citizens does net get voted into law.
The farm lobbies, food service lobbies, pseudo-religious groups, and open boarder groups will be pushing hard...watch out.
Jim1117 of WA
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 1:47am
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The elitist arrogance of
The elitist arrogance of some politicians exhibit proof of their non-allegiance to their constituents, only their political self interest. Suggest, Vote them out of office at their next election.
Mildred1598 of AZ
Sat, 05/23/2009 - 1:24am
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I've faxed my Senators many different times,on important issues and never heard nothing, The only one I hear from is my Rep.Gifford.
Mad as hell in AZ. Election time will come again, and I will be campaigning against who every decides to run !!!
Midge
Alvey0398 of LA
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 10:46pm
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Sharon, I feel just as you do. I also retired from military with 22 years service. The military is working for us and the politicans are working on the whole, against us.
You mentioned that you are not getting a response from your congressman. I am having the same problem with one of my senators. I have written, called and FAXed her numerous times on various subjects such as you covered in your post and many others. She has not responded to any of my efforts to give her my opinion and to get hers. She does not even answer when I praise or thank her for a positive vote. My question is do you know what a citizen can do when they refuse to respond to our correspondence? I am going to pursue this in every way I can but who can tell a senator or congressman that they must respond to a citizens concerns? For starters I am going to contact my other senator( who always responds) for some guidance on how to handle this. Anybody out there got any information or suggestions on this problem??
Steve6703 of AL
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 8:30pm
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Illegal is illegal. Drugs,robbery,rape, & trespassing etc. will all get you jail time. So, anything an illegal alien does adds to the list of offences commited. Why don't they start cleaning up their own country? By the way, just get yourself caught coming into Mexico's southern border illegally and see if you are treated so graciously as the U.S.A. treats illegal Mexican aliens. THE KEY WORD HERE IS ILLEGAL. Just read Mexico's immigration laws. Ours should be as tough and ENFORCED.
Jerry2452 of WA
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 8:29pm
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To: Sharon3256 of ME I was
To: Sharon3256 of ME
I was going to write a few columns of my own, but I do not believe I could top what you have said. I could not agree with you more, this country has literally gone to hell with the help of our (So Called) government leaders. The citizens of this country better wake-up AND FAST or the illegals are going to bankrupt the entire United States of America.
Jerry
Irene and Ed2916 of TX
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 8:24pm
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We don't need to worry about healthcare for illegals, they already get it for free at emergency rooms all over the US.
John0153 of OH
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 7:57pm
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That 1 senator is correct by god we shouldn't have to pay their damn hospital bills. And fact if the others doesn't agree then lets the American people impeach the bad ones and kick them out of office cause they sure don't need to be in there. If they are so worried about illegals then let them pack their damn bags and move over there with them and leave the American peoples world alone.
John0153 of OH
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 7:52pm
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Why the hell should we keep working and pay insurance for the illegals over here. I'm with you all lets impeach the ones voting for it. We are the people and what we say should go and if the damn elected ones don't agree then kick their asses out of office after all we voted them in. Besides after elected they all change their damn stories anyway. Most say against illegals then when elected they seem to change thier damn tunes. Man this has really got me hot. I served my country in the Navy and it sure as hell wasn't to support illegals to keep coming over now there is no jobs. You have all the illegals backstabbing Americans for 5.00 /hour and then have 40 live in a 1 bedroom apartment hell right threres health care about to happen.
Terry 2931 of TX
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 7:28pm
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Simple enough to solve. It's not the illegals; it's the "elected officials" that will do anything to stay in office so long as it's just your money. Keep up with what they are doing, not what they are saying. Cheaters don't lie and liars don't cheat, so that eliminates 90% of congress. There are groups that will champion almost any cause. The NRA, Judicial Watch, Numbers USA and HSUS are my causes and I try to support them and their actions as best I can. Vote to get the members of congress that you do not agree with out of office. Impeach them. Work against them. Writing to the local newspapers is one of my favorite things. I can always generate a little back talk.
Sandra5137 of IL
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 7:18pm
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BRAVO!!! I also come from strong military background. My family has served since the Spanish American War. I could not have said it better. I love my country but not my government aka politicians. That is all they are, politicians aka OVER PAID, IN THE POCKETS OF... with ALL THE PERKS! They could give a damn about "We the People..."
Thank you and your family for your service. God Bless You and Yours.
John6446 of CA
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 7:17pm
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It is amazing what the political morons will do for money and voters. Time for a full government recall or ?
Sharon3256 of ME
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 6:36pm
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We are already handing everything to "refugees", grants being given, homes being build by Habitat for Humanity, cars being bought, medical care being provided. "Refugees" who have balances in the thousands of dollars on their food stamp/TANF cards .... yet .... natural born citizens of our country are being denied denied denied. Even our active duty military have to pay co-pays on their dependents medical/dental care. RETIRED MILITARY PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR INSURANCE. EXCUSE ME, but what in the hell is our government thinking? I know ... the congress, senate, even our president don't really give a dam about the citizens of this country. We have lost millions and millions of jobs to overseas production, our government put the working people of this country into bankruptsy, while the executives build multimillion dollar homes, we are being taxed to death, forced to insure everything, and if we don't insure, well we get tickets, get our licenses/registrations suspended, and soon we will be getting this if we don't have health insurance. Who gains from insurance .... the executives of the insurance companies!!!!! If I chose not to have insurance on my car or myself, or my home .... then I suffer the consequences when something happens ... even if I have insurance .... I suffer the consequences of somebody that does not even know me, will deny whatever claim made on the insurance. OH YEAH, hire a lawyer .... get what you deserve .... and make that lawyer even richer.
I am retired military, and may God forgive me for ever believing in my country's government. May God forgive me for dragging my family all over this country, for having to leave them for months at a time, to take and oath and live an oath to die for my country and my beliefs. May God forgive every single senator or congress member for taking oaths to work for the PEOPLE of this country and not doing so.
I am sick of my government. I have a very very military family. Out of 8 children in my family 5 enlisted in the military, out of 14 grandchildren. so far 6 enlisted and 4 are still active duty, 3 of those serving in Afganistan or Iraq at this time. OK, so where is their support ... their thank you for you service?
Maybe, just maybe, if the senators, and congress members were made to spend a year in one of these countries, or made to live as most citizens of the this country do for a year, living from hand to mouth. Why do they have to have homes in DC .... why doesnt the govenment just build a huge congressional/senatorial barracks, where they can stay when in session, why not have a galley where they can eat. For that matter, why not just stay in their states where they are needed video session.
I could go on until hell freezes over ... but I won't. By the way, I emailed my congressmen over a week ago about something I feel very strongly about .... guess what ... NO RESPONSE.
Sharon Puffer
Aloha8462 of ID
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 5:34pm
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There are millions of Americans without health care. Medicare is going broke and these pro-amensty groups want health care for illegas. Senator Baucass state is a neighbor to us. And I hope that he will continue to keep on tractk and get some of his fellow senators to support him.
Thomas2924 of IN
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 5:27pm
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I think illegal aliens
I think illegal aliens should be allowed to purchase health insurance, just as they can now, but with absolutely no government subsidy. They must be required to pay the full cost. If all Americans are required to purchase health insurance, which seems unlikely at present, illegal aliens (since we apparently don't have the will to deport them when they are identified) should also be required to buy it, but again, at full cost. They should be paying for their health care through insurance premiums, rather than getting it free, which significantly increases the expense of health care to the rest of us.
Here's a better idea. Require all aliens not in the country legally on temporary visas to purchase health insurance, and arrest, fine, and deport them if they do not. That would help to cover the health care expenses of poor legal immigrants and provide an additional enforcement avenue against illegals.
Helen4859 of
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 4:05pm
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This is the exact reason California is broke. All the Social services to all the illegal's. I lived in California for 52 year's and that is all you see hand's full of food stamps and a brans new suv.
Plus sthey pay nothing in taxes they hold all these dependent's in MEXICO so they pay nothing. So if congress think's they will pay their way they are dreaming. Never going to happen.
They should cut off all immigration and visas of any kind until we get this country on the mend again. Which will take a long time.
Richard2467 of TX
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 1:56pm
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California is bankrupt because of benefits provided to illegal aliens. Now the crazies (politicans) in Washington want to do the same thing to the other 49 states. Does your vote count? Do American politicans represent American citizens or illegal aliens? Did you get to vote for NAFTA so that we could export 3 million jobs to Mexico and import 20 million leeches (illegal aliens)? The madness never ends!
Maynard7549 of CA
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 1:17pm
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50 million, poor, and
50 million, poor, and uninsured, Americans;
30 million, poor, and uninsured, ILLEGALS;
...and Obama wants us to pay for Healthcare for all 80 million.
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James7969 of CA
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 12:55pm
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It is impossible to have both an open border and a welfare state. One has to make a decision for either one or the other. The Obama administration doesn't seem to want to make such a choice. Otherwise, it could not be for both health care reform and amnesty.
Ralph7980 of CO
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 12:17pm
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I agree that health care for illegal aliens is too expensive. But so are visits to the emergency rooms. Or educating the children of illegal aliens or imprisoning illegal aliens. All of these things are items that should be paid for by the country where illegal aliens claim as their home country. It is too bad that some smart person can not or will not come up with a method of making that happen. For example, withholding $5000 from those governments aid packages for each illegal alien we apprehend in the U.S.
But let me reemphasize that I agree with the NUSA article. But even if health care and other items were not too expensive, there should be no consideration given to amnesty for illegal aliens. We have a legal process for people to enter this country and that should be the final, bottom line.
David3782 of OR
Fri, 05/22/2009 - 10:38am
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Nice development. Here's the angle I just used on my PS to my rep.
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A great number of Oregonians depend on agriculture for their livelihood. The era of fat profits on the backs of illegal Mexicans has ended. Do not support this betrayal of Americans, or abuse and hate of illegal Mexicans!
And for the record, this "amnesty" enslaves the Mexicans to the same industry for years before they get any freedom. This is patently illegal, and they will hate you forever also.
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By the way, you know what would be another cool feature for NumbersUSA? A place where we can post our PS's from our faxes and see PS's from other members.
If we could vote (or thumbs up/thumbs down) on the comments, then let the most popular rise to the top, we would be able to have fun reading each other's comments and drawing support and ideas from what others are saying to their politicians.
Not only would a page of votable comments be fun and a great team building exercise for our side, it would also be a great way to learn about effective communications from one another.
We could even cut and paste the best comments into our own faxes and reuse them to some extent. That would maximize the best comments from the best writers reused on the most faxes.
And it would also be a lot of fun.
Just a thought!
Keep up the good work!
Charles9616 of LA
Thu, 05/21/2009 - 7:06pm
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Hmmm, seems they have themselves in a bit of a fix.
They'll probably be back soon with some new and improved, well shopped term for amnesty AND free health care.
Be on the look out
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