Bingo, and I did this at $750 when this client thing started up. I was always polite, yet direct with him. And told him from the beginning if he started to call plays that weren't public on here I wanted out, if he went tout I wanted out, if started searching for clients I wanted out. Done by phone though when he called me to get my opinion on the matter. It screams!!!! going bust on one game after chasing.
Agree. Should be moved back to the OS if he is stiffing a forum member. Could just be an isolated incident or could be something more, but others who are partnering with him or contemplating doing so should be able to see the thread in a more visible part of the site.
Could be 15-20 different posters that have business arrangements with him.
Mowgli said:
The above was sent to me via private message UNSOLICITED.
My thoughts are this:
Remember my New England vs Pittsburgh thread from last year? You were all over Pittsburgh, there was no way they were going to lose, you would love to book my action on that game. Remember all that trash talking you did?
Nobody worth their salt and is a professional would never say no way they are going to lose. Nobody. I knew then you weren't a professional and likely full of shit.
Sure you posted winners but go look back on the majority of those picks, they were square public plays.
Let's talk about your Denver +11.5 for 35% and Denver ML +375 for 15% of your bankroll.
So a guy has $1,000 bankroll. He bets Denver +11.5 $385 to win $350 and bets Denver ML $150 to win $562.50
Now if they show any profit from this wager, they have to become your client and then start paying you on future wins.
The guy with the $1,000 bankroll netted $200 for $535 worth of risk. So now he's your bitch until you lose.
Just reading through razorbackpicks, it is quite telling.
You are need of money. Why would any professional need someone to send $400 through Wal Mart right away? Why the ultimate rush in settling up when you won, but when you are down, it's pulling teeth.
You admit to owing razor $750, yet you haven't paid him. How many others haven't you paid yet?
In reality this whole set up is just a fallacy. You are a tout and nothing more. It's the old "Pay Only After You Win" set up. Hence why you want some % of the wins. Sure you agree to pay all the losses, but from the last week, that's nothing but a lie.
Your opening man cave in Vegas, but yet can't pay what we know for sure you owe $750.
Where's NFL Trends who I am pretty sure vouched for you and is your partner in Vegas?
You sir are a welch, I don't care when you pay, whether it's a minute from now, or a week from now. A true sportsbettor/gambler owns up to their responsibility no matter what the circumstances are. You owe, you pay, no questions asked.
You wanted my opinion, you got it. Unabashed and straight forward.
House of Cards has been blown over.............
Note to BAS or any other mod, this thread needs put in the main area and should be for all to see. If need be you can likely set up the thread that you review all posts before they are allowed to be posted.
After all you allowed this in the main for months, with e-mail addresses and phone #'s. I place you guys just as much to blame for allowing this for so long.
No offense meant to any of the mods, however there has to be accountability and you have all the accountability as you manage the forums.
When Razor made his post a few days ago, I figured there would be 3-4 posters coming in to defend Mog immediately since many have spoken so glowingly about him throughout this thread. Where are they? Where did they go?
House of cards is the perfect description for what is happening right now.
This needs to be moved back to the main forum and everyone needs to see it.
There is nothing in Hot Pizza's thread that any rational person wouldn't agree with. I couldn't have said it better myself.
House of cards is the perfect description for what is happening right now.
This needs to be moved back to the main forum and everyone needs to see it.
There is nothing in Hot Pizza's thread that any rational person wouldn't agree with. I couldn't have said it better myself.
I don't know what has happened or what is happening. I don't think he is coming back to reply. It is odd that almost no one is replying on the positive or negative side other than razor who has been a client. Maybe he has their money and they don't want to piss him off. Could be just a one off bad sitution with razor. I didn't lke the whole "guarantee" situation though. I hope Mog isn't doing shady shit
I Posted this in the other thread, so I will Post it again Here .... Just to make sure Everyone understands Where the Mods, including Myself Stand...
I don't have a problem placing it back here after reading the last couple of pages. But DON'T Blame the Mods for allowing anything that caused people to lose money....
The Thread started out talking about getting beat by Books, then he was posting plays, and still talking about disputes with offshore and Local books that he either beat or was beaten / stiffed by them.
Again he continued to post plays and a lot of guys were hanging on every word just waiting for more plays.
Yes he did pitch a few deals, but once it got to sound too much of a Tout deal, I moved it to the Site promotions forum.
Then when I told him in a post if that's the case, and you won't be posting anymore plays, that's where it will stay.
He then said if he left out his Pitch, can it be moved back, I agreed until he finally posted this long list of some deal ( again another pitch for " Clients )
So it was Moved back to the Site Promotions forum
Also when you Reported the PM you received from him, I told him that this was not allowed, and he said he would stop.
I'm only saying all of this because at the end of a post in that Thread you Blame the Mods ....
