Thats who the people in post #128 are, The Holcombe Family. Some reporting says Eight members of the family died and of the kids pictured only the oldest survived (thus far, anyways. Son. Father has been said by some to have survived, as well.
If life after such a loss can be called...."survival.")
Harray carray asked me what I would do to change the world. I'll tell you one thing for sure is to become a teacher or police officer, I'm raising the stakes. Whatever they do now, I'm adding another year for both to go through my own criteria lmao. No child molesters or drug dealing teachers, I'd change the whole board of education honestly from the top down. I'd be firing everyone because I know how much corruption is involved in it. I been there before. But police would be trained to be more blended with society. None of that code of blue bullshit. Fuck that. Police are the biggest gang in the United States.
the worst mass murders in history are committed by oppressive governments that deny rights to people. Your issues are a single grain of sand on a very big beach compared to oppressive governments
and the founding fathers said people have the right to own guns because it's "necessary for the security of a FREE STATE". I don't disagree with them.
If somebody wants to change the Constitution, all they have to do is pass a Constitutional Amendment. Nothing more, nothing less, everything else is cheap talk. We either are a nation of laws or we're not, and nobody can just make up shit as they go along
| Event | Location | <small style="font-size: 11.9px;">From</small> | <small style="font-size: 11.9px;">To</small> | <small style="font-size: 11.9px;">Lowest estimate</small> | <small style="font-size: 11.9px;">Highest estimate</small> | % |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Aardakh[SUP][N 14][/SUP] (Soviet deportation of Chechens and other Vainakh populations) | Soviet Union, North Caucasus | 1944 | 1948 | 144,704 [SUP][99][/SUP] | 200,000 [SUP][93][/SUP][SUP][94][/SUP][SUP][95][/SUP][SUP][96][/SUP] | 23.5% to almost 50% of total Chechen population killed[SUP][99][/SUP][SUP][93][/SUP][SUP][94][/SUP][SUP][95][/SUP][SUP][96][/SUP] |
| Albigensian Crusade (Cathar genocide) | Languedoc, France | 1209 | 1229 | 200,000 [SUP][89][/SUP] | 1,000,000 [SUP][90][/SUP] | [SUP][N 13][/SUP] |
| Armenian genocide Մեծ Եղեռն (Medz Yeghern, "Great Crime")[SUP][N 5][/SUP] | Ottoman Empire (territories of present-day Turkey, Syria and Iraq) | 1915 | 1922 | 700,000 [SUP][53][/SUP] | 1,500,000 [SUP][54][/SUP] | At least 50% of Armenians in Turkey killed[SUP][53][/SUP] |
| Assyrian genocide ܣܝܦܐ (Seyfo, "Sword")[SUP][N 12][/SUP] | Ottoman Empire (territories of present-day Turkey, Syria and Iraq) | 1915 | 1923 | 275,000 [SUP][88][/SUP] | 750,000 [SUP][88][/SUP] | |
| Bangladesh genocide[SUP][N 10][/SUP] | Bangladesh | 1971 | 1971 | 300,000 | 3,000,000 [SUP][83][/SUP][SUP][84][/SUP] | 4% of Bangladesh's total population killed (using 1 to 3 million figure)[SUP][85][/SUP] |
| Battle of Carthage (Genocide of the Punic people)[SUP][N 16][/SUP] | Carthage (territories of present-day Tunis, Tunisia) | 149 BC | 149 BC | 150,000 [SUP][112][/SUP][SUP][107][/SUP] | 150,000 |
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| Bosnian genocide[SUP][N 25][/SUP] | Bosnia and Herzegovina | 1992 | 1995 | 8,373 [SUP][180][/SUP] | 31,107[SUP][181][/SUP] 39,199 [SUP][182][/SUP] | |
| Burundian genocides of Hutus and Tutsis[SUP][N 19][/SUP] | Burundi | 1972 1993 | 1972 1993 | 80,000 [SUP][129][/SUP][SUP][130][/SUP] 50,000 [SUP][131][/SUP] | 210,000 [SUP][129][/SUP][SUP][130][/SUP] 50,000 [SUP][131][/SUP] | |
| Cambodian genocide[SUP][N 4][/SUP] | Democratic Kampuchea | 1975 | 1979 | 1,386,734 [SUP][46][/SUP] | 3,000,000 [SUP][41][/SUP][SUP][47][/SUP] | 21%-33% of total population of Cambodia killed[SUP][48][/SUP][SUP][49][/SUP] including:100% of Cambodian Viets 50% of Cambodian Chinese and Cham 40% of Cambodian Lao and Thai 25% of Urban Khmer 16% of Rural Khmer |
| Circassian genocide[SUP][N 8][/SUP] | Circassia, Caucasus | 1864 | 1867 | 400,000 [SUP][73][/SUP] | 1,500,000 .[SUP][74][/SUP] | 90% to 97% of total Circassian population perished and deported by the Russian forces.[SUP][75][/SUP][SUP][76][/SUP][SUP][77][/SUP] |
| East Timor genocide[SUP][N 18][/SUP] | East Timor | 1975 | 1999 | 85,320 [SUP][127][/SUP] | 196,720 [SUP][128][/SUP] | 13% to 44% of East Timor's total population killed (See death toll of East Timor genocide) |
| Generalplan Ost[SUP][N 2][/SUP] (The genocide and enslavement of Slavic peoples by Nazi Germany[SUP][not in citation given][/SUP]) | Nazi-occupied Soviet Territories | 1941 | 1945 | 4,500,000 [SUP][14][/SUP][SUP][better source needed][/SUP] | 13,700,000 [SUP][15][/SUP][SUP][better source needed][/SUP] | Approximately 20% of the 68 million of occupied areas' population were eliminated, mostly through the Nazi Hunger Plan.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] |
| Genocide by the Ustaše[SUP][N 9][/SUP] (See also Serbian genocide) | Independent State of Croatia | 1941 | 1945 | 357,000 [SUP][79][/SUP][SUP][80][/SUP] | 600,000 [SUP][79][/SUP][SUP][80][/SUP][SUP][81][/SUP] | |
| Genocide of Yazidis by ISIL[SUP][N 27][/SUP] | northern Iraq and Syria | 2014 | present | 2,100[SUP][188][/SUP] | 4,400[SUP][188][/SUP] [SUP][189][/SUP] | |
| Greek genocide including the Pontic genocide[SUP][N 11][/SUP] | Ottoman Empire (territories of present-day Turkey) | 1914 | 1922 | 289,000 [SUP][86][/SUP] | 750,000 [SUP][87][/SUP] | |
| Guatemalan genocide[SUP][N 23][/SUP] | Guatemala | 1962 | 1996 | 35,000 [SUP][168][/SUP] | 166,000 [SUP][169][/SUP] | |
| Herero and Namaqua genocide[SUP][N 24][/SUP] | German South-West Africa | 1904 | 1908 | 34,000 [SUP][170][/SUP] | 110,000 [SUP][171][/SUP][SUP][172][/SUP] | 60% (24,000 out of 40,000[SUP][170][/SUP]) to 81.25% (65,000[SUP][173][/SUP][SUP][174][/SUP] out of 80,000[SUP][175][/SUP]) of total Hereroand 50%[SUP][170][/SUP] of Nama population killed |
| Holodomor (Голодомор)[SUP][N 3][/SUP] (Ukrainian genocide) | Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic | 1932 | 1933 | 1,800,000 [SUP][27][/SUP][SUP][28][/SUP][SUP][29][/SUP][SUP][30][/SUP] | 7,500,000 [SUP][31][/SUP][SUP][32][/SUP][SUP][33][/SUP][SUP][34][/SUP][SUP][35][/SUP] | Genocide of Ukrainians through artificial starvation by the USSR.[SUP][36][/SUP] At least 10% of Ukraine's population perished.[SUP][37][/SUP] |
| Isaaq genocide[SUP][N 21][/SUP] | Somalia | 1988 | 1991 | 50,000 [SUP][146][/SUP][SUP][147][/SUP][SUP][148][/SUP] | 200,000 [SUP][149][/SUP] | |
| Kazakhstan famine of 1932–1933 | Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic | 1931 | 1933 | 1,300,000[SUP][50][/SUP] | 1,750,000[SUP][51][/SUP] | Genocide of Kazakhs through artificial starvation by the USSR. Some historians assume that 42% of the entire Kazakh population died in the famine.[SUP][51][/SUP] The two Soviet census show that the number of the Kazakhs in Kazakhstan dropped from 3,637,612 in 1926 to 2,181,520 in 1937.[SUP][52][/SUP] |
| Kurdish genocide[SUP][N 22][/SUP] | Ba'athist Iraq | 1986 | 1989 | 50,000 [SUP][161][/SUP] | 200,000 [SUP][162][/SUP][SUP][160][/SUP][SUP][163][/SUP] | |
| Libyan genocide[SUP][N 20][/SUP] | Italian Libya | 1923 | 1932 | 80,000 [SUP][136][/SUP] | 80,000 [SUP][136][/SUP] | 25% of Cyrenaican population killed[SUP][136][/SUP] |
| Polish Operation of the NKVD (Polish genocide) | Soviet Union | 1937 | 1938 | 111,091[SUP][113][/SUP] | 111,091 | [SUP][N 17][/SUP] |
| Porajmos (Romani genocide)[SUP][N 15][/SUP] | Nazi controlled Europe | 1935 | 1945 | 130,000 [SUP][104][/SUP] | 500,000 [SUP][105][/SUP][SUP][106][/SUP] | 25% of Romani people in Europe killed |
| Rwandan genocide[SUP][N 6][/SUP] | Rwanda | 1994 | 1994 | 500,000 [SUP][55][/SUP] | 1,000,000 [SUP][55][/SUP] | 70% of Tutsis in Rwanda killed |
| Selk'nam genocide[SUP][N 26][/SUP] | Chile, Tierra del Fuego | Late 19th Century | Early 20th Century | 2,500 [SUP][183][/SUP] | 3,900 [SUP][184][/SUP] | 84% The genocide reduced their numbers from around 3000 to about 500 people. (Now pure Selk'nam are considered extinct.[SUP][184][/SUP][SUP][185][/SUP] |
| The Holocaust[SUP][N 1][/SUP] (Lower figures (5-6 million) are for the Jewish genocide, and the higher figures (11-17 million) is for the total killed in all Nazi genocides and War Crimes.) | Nazi-Germany controlled Europe | 1939 | 1945 | 4,900,000 [SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP] 11,000,000 [SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP] | 6,000,000 [SUP][7][/SUP] 17,000,000 [SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP] | Around 45% of Holocaust victims were non-Jews, including significant numbers of Polish Catholics.[SUP][9][/SUP]97% of Jews killed were non-German. Around 33% of German Jews and more than 80% of non-German Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe were killed.[SUP][10][/SUP] |
| Zunghar genocide 准噶尔灭族 in the Zunghar Khanate[SUP][N 7][/SUP] | Western Mongolia, Kazakhstan, northern Kyrgyzstan, southern Siberia | 1755 | 1758 | 480,000 [SUP][59][/SUP] | 600,000 [SUP][59][/SUP] | 80% of 600,000 Zungharian Oirats killed |
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I'm looking at a list of mass murders throughout world history, and one thing is painfully obvious. Many of them, and all the largest ones, occurred before the invention of guns, never mind assault rifles.
Again, it's not the weapon, it's people, and society needs to protect itself from both sick people and oppressive regimes.
Just look at the hate and anger and violence in this country because democrats lost an election. Do you think I want to go through life living under their failed social and economic policies? Is that what it takes to restore decency? We have to accept and embrace failure? fuck that
I want to own a gun more now than ever before, I think it's now a necessity, too many angry assholes out there
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_events_named_massacres
Again, it's not the weapon, it's people, and society needs to protect itself from both sick people and oppressive regimes.
Just look at the hate and anger and violence in this country because democrats lost an election. Do you think I want to go through life living under their failed social and economic policies? Is that what it takes to restore decency? We have to accept and embrace failure? fuck that
I want to own a gun more now than ever before, I think it's now a necessity, too many angry assholes out there
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_events_named_massacres
the Air Force did not do their job here...they were supposed to report his domestic abuse to the FBI and simply failed to do so. If they did their part he could not have legally purchased a gun
too little, too late but the Air Force is now reviewing their database to make sure it matches up to the FBI so that nutters like this fella are in the FBI dbase. Seems like the court system should be at fault here too as the guy spent a year behind bars.
The Air Force said his offense was not entered into a national database, which meant he was able to pass background checks to purchase weapons. Kelley was convicted on charges of assaulting his then-wife and stepson and served 12 months in confinement before being released in 2014 with a bad-conduct discharge.
“Federal law prohibited him from buying or possessing firearms after this conviction,” Ann Stefanek, an Air Force spokeswoman, said in a statement.
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'Everybody dies motherfucker!' Survivor who lived after playing dead in Texas church massacre recounts gunman's only words as he stalked the aisles firing 450 rounds and shooting crying babies at point blank range.
Survivors are speaking out to detail their horrifying memories of Sunday's Texas church shooting.
Rosa Solis was shot in the arm during the massacre at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, and survived by hiding under a bench and playing dead.
She was discharged from the hospital late Monday after being treated for a gunshot wound to her left arm. She spoke out to ABC News from her home after to detail the killer's chilling only words.
As Devin Patrick Kelley walked up and down the church's center aisle, shooting at least 450 rounds at the scores of parishioners, Solis says he yelled 'Everybody dies motherfucker!'
Solis says the only other sound was of 'people screaming and people crying' and children yelling for their mothers.
Survivors are speaking out to detail their horrifying memories of Sunday's Texas church shooting.
Rosa Solis was shot in the arm during the massacre at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, and survived by hiding under a bench and playing dead.
She was discharged from the hospital late Monday after being treated for a gunshot wound to her left arm. She spoke out to ABC News from her home after to detail the killer's chilling only words.
As Devin Patrick Kelley walked up and down the church's center aisle, shooting at least 450 rounds at the scores of parishioners, Solis says he yelled 'Everybody dies motherfucker!'
Solis says the only other sound was of 'people screaming and people crying' and children yelling for their mothers.
She didn't dare move to aid any of the other victims.
'I saw bodies with a lot of blood. That's all I saw because I wasn't about to get out from where I was hiding.
'I played dead. I made sure I hid myself good under that bench,' she said.
Solis and her husband Joaquin Ramirez were close to not going to church that day, but Solis convinced him they should.
In an interview with KSAT, Ramirez recalled in Spanish how Kelley went around and shot all the crying babies point blank with his assault rifle.
David Brown, whose mother Farida was shot in the shooting and continues to recover at the hospital, says she told him that the killer walked up and down the aisle about 10 to 15 times.
Brown believes his mother survived thanks to her cellphone, which acted as a bulletproof vest of sorts, catching many of the bullets.
'She just laid on the floor,' he told GMA. 'The shooter was shooting everybody. I guess he could see everybody trying to run. And then after no one was moving they were just laying on the floor, he walked up and down all the aisles shooting everyone as they laid on the floor, she said.'
The massacre finally came to the end when local resident Stephen Willeford ran to the church with his own gun.
'I saw bodies with a lot of blood. That's all I saw because I wasn't about to get out from where I was hiding.
'I played dead. I made sure I hid myself good under that bench,' she said.
Solis and her husband Joaquin Ramirez were close to not going to church that day, but Solis convinced him they should.
In an interview with KSAT, Ramirez recalled in Spanish how Kelley went around and shot all the crying babies point blank with his assault rifle.
David Brown, whose mother Farida was shot in the shooting and continues to recover at the hospital, says she told him that the killer walked up and down the aisle about 10 to 15 times.
Brown believes his mother survived thanks to her cellphone, which acted as a bulletproof vest of sorts, catching many of the bullets.
'She just laid on the floor,' he told GMA. 'The shooter was shooting everybody. I guess he could see everybody trying to run. And then after no one was moving they were just laying on the floor, he walked up and down all the aisles shooting everyone as they laid on the floor, she said.'
The massacre finally came to the end when local resident Stephen Willeford ran to the church with his own gun.
In an interview with ABC 40/29, Willeford said he was at home when his daughter ran into the house and said she heard gunshots coming from the church nearby.
Willeford didn't even stop to put on his shoes, he grabbed his gun and ran to the church and shot at Kelley, a former Airman.
Willeford's reprisals caused Kelley to flee the church, taking off in his SUV which he parked at a gas station across the street.
Willeford didn't even stop to put on his shoes, he grabbed his gun and ran to the church and shot at Kelley, a former Airman.
Willeford's reprisals caused Kelley to flee the church, taking off in his SUV which he parked at a gas station across the street.
At the gas station, Willeford ran into another man, Johnnie Lagendorff, who agreed to chase Willeford in his own truck.
The two chased Kelley until he eventually lost control of his car and crashed about 10 miles away.
When police arrived at the scene, they found Kelley dead from a gunshot wound to the head, which they believe was self-inflicted.
In total, Willeford killed 26 people in the attack and injured 20. Thirteen of the injured were still hospitalized as of Monday evening.
The two chased Kelley until he eventually lost control of his car and crashed about 10 miles away.
When police arrived at the scene, they found Kelley dead from a gunshot wound to the head, which they believe was self-inflicted.
In total, Willeford killed 26 people in the attack and injured 20. Thirteen of the injured were still hospitalized as of Monday evening.
Rosa Solis survived Sunday's Texas church shooting by playing dead and hiding underneath a bench.
A TIMELINE OF TEXAS CHURCH SHOOTER'S HISTORY OF VIOLENCE.
1991
- February: Devin Patrick Kelley is born in New Braunfels, Texas, the son of Michael and Rebecca Kelley, owners of a software company.
- For two months in 2009, 18-year-old Kelley dates 13-year-old Brittany Adcock. 'At the time I didn't think much into it being so young but now I realize that there's something off about someone who is 18 with someone who is 13,' Kelley's ex told NBC News. The now 22-year-old says after she broke up with him, Kelley desperately tried to get her back by any means necessary - in one case offering to pay her to live with him and his wife as a topless maid.
- Spring: Kelley graduates from New Braunfels High School.
- Enlists in the Air Force and is assigned to Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico where he works moving passengers, cargo and personal property in military transportation.
- April 14: Marries Tessa K. Loge in Comal County, Texas.
- October 15: Tessa Kelley files for divorce. In paperwork associated with the divorce, she said she was working at Taco Bell for $7.50 an hour while Devin Kelley was in military detention for domestic violence charges. It's unclear when exactly he was arrested.
- November 7: Kelley faces court martial for abusing his wife and 11-month-old step-son. According to court martial documents, Kelley pleaded guilty to chocking his wife, pulling her hair, kicking her and striking her. He also admitted to striking his step-son with 'force likely to produce death or grievous bodily harm'. The Air Force's former chief prosecutor, Don Christensen, told The New York Times that Kelley fractured the child's skull. The abuse happened between April 27, 2011 and April 27, 2012. Kelley is also accused in the trial of threatening his wife with a gun on multiple occasions between January 1, 2012 and and April 20, 2012, but he pleads not guilty and these charges are dropped. Kelley is sentenced to 12 months confinement in a military prison, demotion to the lowest rank of E-1, and a bad discharge.
- February: Cops are called to Kelley's parents' home in New Braunfels, Texas after 10pm one night, after his girlfriend, 19-year-old Danielle Shields, texts a girl friend a message indicating that 'her boyfriend was abusing her' and that 'her arms were red'. Shields said Kelley had 'told her to pack a bag,' according to the report. When sheriff's deputies arrived, people at the home said there was a 'misunderstanding'. It doesn't make clear who spoke to deputies. No arrests were made.
- April 4: Kelley marries to Shields, according to Comal County, Texas records. He is 23 years old at the time.
- April 10: Kelley is kicked out of the Air Force with a bad discharge, but administrators forget to put his name in an FBI database used to conduct background checks on citizens looking to buy a firearm. This same year, he buys the first of four guns that police recover in their investigation into the church shooting.
- Moves to a mobile home park in Colorado Springs, Texas, where he registers to vote.
- August: A neighbor calls police after witnessing Kelley strike his husky puppy in the face with a closed fist several times. Another neighbor says Kelley grabbed the puppy, threw it into the air, then onto the ground and dragged it to his camper. Kelley refuses to come out of his trailer when police arrive on the scene, leading to an hour-long standoff. He eventually comes out and is taken into custody on a charge of misdemeanor animal cruelty. According to local court records, he was given a deferred probationary sentence and ordered to pay $368 in restitution. A protection order was also issued against him in 2015 on behalf of the local Humane Society, according to court records.
- December 2014: Buys a Glock 9mm handgun from Specialty Sports in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
- Buys another gun from Specialty Sports in Colorado Springs. It's unclear what type of gun was bought during this visit to the Colorado Springs store.
- April: Bought the Ruger AR-556 rifle he used in the church shooting from an Academy Sports store in San Antonio, according to CNN. He listed a Colorado Springs, Colorado address when he bought the gun.
- At some point this year, Kelley and his wife move in his with parents in New Braunfels, Texas.
- Buy another gun police found after the shooting, this one from a different Academy Sports branch in San Antonio.
- June: Obtains a state private security license to work as a security guard at the Schlitterbahn water park in New Braunfels, but is fired after less than six weeks.
- He was then was hired as a security guard at the Summit Vacation Resort, also in New Braunfels. A manager there, Claudia Varjabedian, told the AP that Kelley 'seemed like a nice guy' and didn't cause her any problems.
- Some point before the shooting, starts sending his mother-in-law Michelle Shields threatening text messages.
- November 5: Opens fire during Sunday morning service at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, where his in-laws worship. The Shields family are not present during the attack. Twenty-six people are killed and 20 wounded before Kelley commits suicide.
live update https://www.pscp.tv/w/1RDGlnMMzWOxL
I hear what your point is. But this is 2017. I don't know how lunatics killed mass amounts of people before guns. But I know how it is happening today. And it's usually sporting rifles. Designed to be an absolute force of a weapon. That is what I am talking about. Why that shit is accessible to everyone. Doesn't need to be.
As time progresses, people want the most up to date shit that will protect them.
You can't have a police baton. That's illegal. But you can have an AR 15. Most of everything is backwards in this country. So backwards.
