20+ killed at a church outside San Antonio today

[JohnnyMac]

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Texas Church Shooting
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[h=1]If Trump’s Blaming Mental Health, Why Did He Gut This Obama Gun-Check Rule?[/h] by Adam Edelman

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Gun control advocates slammed President Donald Trump on Monday as a hypocrite for having signed a bill earlier this year that rolled back a regulation making it harder for people with mental illnesses to buy firearms even as he blamed the mass shooting in Texas over the weekend on "a mental health problem."

"Trump is wrong — study after study show that stronger gun laws can save lives — and a hypocrite of the worst kind," Peter Ambler, the executive director of Giffords, the gun control group started by former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, told NBC News. "One of his first actions as president trashed a new regulation that would have prevented potentially irresponsible and mentally incompetent people from being able to buy guns."


Ambler added, "Blaming mental health is a tactic straight out of the gun lobby's playbook that's meant to paralyze Congress. Donald Trump's goal is to make people think our leaders don't have the power to prevent gun violence."


Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., echoed those remarks, telling NBC News, "Any link between mental health and gun violence in a particular situation cannot be used as an excuse for inaction on common sense gun violence measures."


"It is the height of hypocrisy for President Trump — who called the latest tragic mass shooting 'a mental health problem at the highest level' — to have rolled back a rule specifically designed to prevent some gun violence deaths," Blumenthal added in a statement.


In February, just weeks into his presidency, Trump signed a bill eliminating an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.


Related: Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses


The rule, which had been finalized in December 2016, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background gun-check database. Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to the database.


The National Rifle Association applauded Trump for signing the bill. Chris Cox, the group's chief lobbyist, said at the time that it marked "a new era for law-abiding gun owners, as we now have a president who respects and supports our arms.”

<figure class="img_half"> <figcaption class="img-caption img-caption_default no-margin-bottom">Sheree Rumph of San Antonio prays over two of the 26 crosses erected in memory of the people killed in a shooting in Sutherland Springs, Texas, on Monday, Nov. 6, 2017. Jay Janner / Austin American-Statesman via AP</figcaption>
</figure> Obama proposed the now-nullified regulation in a 2013 memo following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. At the time, the measure was hotly contested by gun rights advocates who said it infringed on Second Amendment rights.

It isn't clear whether the now-eliminated rule would have applied to the gunman in the Texas church shooting, identified as Devin Patrick Kelley. Kelley had a turbulent past, including a court-martial from the Air Force for assaulting his first wife and child, an animal cruelty arrest and a habit of harassing ex-girlfriends.


Earlier Monday, Trump said that Sunday's mass shooting at a Texas church — the largest in the state's history — "isn't a guns situation" but instead "a mental health problem at the highest level."

 

[Acebb]

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If Trump’s Blaming Mental Health, Why Did He Gut This Obama Gun-Check Rule?
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Because those people aren't actually mentally ill.

That's why.

 

[Acebb]

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It isn't clear whether the now-eliminated rule would have applied to the gunman in the Texas church shooting, identified as Devin Patrick Kelley.

That's just stupid. The rule went into effect after this goof in Texas purchased his weapon.

These reporters really need to stop talking about guns.

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

Huh? All teachers go through extensive background checks when they get hired. That doesn't mean they don't go rogue after they are hired. How would you ever prevent that? That happens across the board at all jobs.

Nobody going to want to become a teacher besides real teachers. I'll have a lie detector set up for every district. Some kid sees a teacher letting 8th grade girls sit on his lap during class......guess what? If somebody snitches and I hear about it...guess what question goes on the lie detector test? And then you're fired!

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

Some interesting views......How many years have you taught in the public school system?

0. But I've dealt with some of the most corrupt school officials in the country. Teachers who have lied in order to get me in trouble. Its same thing with police, this blue code of silence bullshit all teachers have eachothers backs. I'm sick of that shit. Do your fucking jobs. They preach this blue ribbon bullshit while they're touching kids and selling drugs. Theres no place for child molesters in school. Period.

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

Not saying there aren't some good teachers. But for every one good one I've had there are 8 bad ones. And honestly, probably the same ratio with cops.

 

[festeringZit]

Not saying there aren't some good teachers. But for every one good one I've had there are 8 bad ones. And honestly, probably the same ratio with cops.

For every good cop there are 8 bad ones?

You can't really believe this? WTF

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

For every good cop there are 8 bad ones?

You can't really believe this? WTF

Yeah might be one in every 6. Around there, for sure.

 

[Willie99]

<header class="row_article article-header article_max"> Politics
Texas Church Shooting
<time class="timestamp_article" datetime="2017-11-06T23:32:00.000Z">Nov 6 2017, 6:32 pm ET</time>


If Trump’s Blaming Mental Health, Why Did He Gut This Obama Gun-Check Rule?

by Adam Edelman

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Gun control advocates slammed President Donald Trump on Monday as a hypocrite for having signed a bill earlier this year that rolled back a regulation making it harder for people with mental illnesses to buy firearms even as he blamed the mass shooting in Texas over the weekend on "a mental health problem."

"Trump is wrong — study after study show that stronger gun laws can save lives — and a hypocrite of the worst kind," Peter Ambler, the executive director of Giffords, the gun control group started by former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, told NBC News. "One of his first actions as president trashed a new regulation that would have prevented potentially irresponsible and mentally incompetent people from being able to buy guns."


Ambler added, "Blaming mental health is a tactic straight out of the gun lobby's playbook that's meant to paralyze Congress. Donald Trump's goal is to make people think our leaders don't have the power to prevent gun violence."


Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., echoed those remarks, telling NBC News, "Any link between mental health and gun violence in a particular situation cannot be used as an excuse for inaction on common sense gun violence measures."


"It is the height of hypocrisy for President Trump — who called the latest tragic mass shooting 'a mental health problem at the highest level' — to have rolled back a rule specifically designed to prevent some gun violence deaths," Blumenthal added in a statement.


In February, just weeks into his presidency, Trump signed a bill eliminating an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.


Related: Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses


The rule, which had been finalized in December 2016, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background gun-check database. Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to the database.


The National Rifle Association applauded Trump for signing the bill. Chris Cox, the group's chief lobbyist, said at the time that it marked "a new era for law-abiding gun owners, as we now have a president who respects and supports our arms.”

<figure class="img_half"> <figcaption class="img-caption img-caption_default no-margin-bottom">Sheree Rumph of San Antonio prays over two of the 26 crosses erected in memory of the people killed in a shooting in Sutherland Springs, Texas, on Monday, Nov. 6, 2017. Jay Janner / Austin American-Statesman via AP</figcaption>
</figure> Obama proposed the now-nullified regulation in a 2013 memo following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. At the time, the measure was hotly contested by gun rights advocates who said it infringed on Second Amendment rights.

It isn't clear whether the now-eliminated rule would have applied to the gunman in the Texas church shooting, identified as Devin Patrick Kelley. Kelley had a turbulent past, including a court-martial from the Air Force for assaulting his first wife and child, an animal cruelty arrest and a habit of harassing ex-girlfriends.


Earlier Monday, Trump said that Sunday's mass shooting at a Texas church — the largest in the state's history — "isn't a guns situation" but instead "a mental health problem at the highest level."

If this guy was able to buy a gun only after what Trump changed, then this typical left wing idiocy would be relevant. But relevance is really not very important to lefties, only some bullshit spin which is their life's blood

this guy should not have been able to buy guns, but that bureaucracy that y'all think can micro manage everything in the world FAILED, yet again, what a surprise, not

and no, taking guns away from the scores of millions of people that own them legally and behave lawfully is not the answer, because the criminals don't care about obeying the law, hence they're fucking criminals

 

[Willie99]

Not saying there aren't some good teachers. But for every one good one I've had there are 8 bad ones. And honestly, probably the same ratio with cops.

bullshit, you must be hanging in the wrong circles my friend

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

A TIMELINE OF TEXAS CHURCH SHOOTER'S HISTORY OF VIOLENCE.

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1991

• February: Devin Patrick Kelley is born in New Braunfels, Texas, the son of Michael and Rebecca Kelley, owners of a software company.

2009

• For two months in 2009, 18-year-old Kelley dates 13-year-old Brittany Adcock. 'At the time I didn't think much into it being so young but now I realize that there's something off about someone who is 18 with someone who is 13,' Kelley's ex told NBC News. The now 22-year-old says after she broke up with him, Kelley desperately tried to get her back by any means necessary - in one case offering to pay her to live with him and his wife as a topless maid.
• Spring: Kelley graduates from New Braunfels High School.

2010

• Enlists in the Air Force and is assigned to Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico where he works moving passengers, cargo and personal property in military transportation.

2011

• April 14: Marries Tessa K. Loge in Comal County, Texas.

2012

• October 15: Tessa Kelley files for divorce. In paperwork associated with the divorce, she said she was working at Taco Bell for $7.50 an hour while Devin Kelley was in military detention for domestic violence charges. It's unclear when exactly he was arrested.
• November 7: Kelley faces court martial for abusing his wife and 11-month-old step-son. According to court martial documents, Kelley pleaded guilty to chocking his wife, pulling her hair, kicking her and striking her. He also admitted to striking his step-son with 'force likely to produce death or grievous bodily harm'. The Air Force's former chief prosecutor, Don Christensen, told The New York Times that Kelley fractured the child's skull. The abuse happened between April 27, 2011 and April 27, 2012. Kelley is also accused in the trial of threatening his wife with a gun on multiple occasions between January 1, 2012 and and April 20, 2012, but he pleads not guilty and these charges are dropped. Kelley is sentenced to 12 months confinement in a military prison, demotion to the lowest rank of E-1, and a bad discharge.

2014

• February: Cops are called to Kelley's parents' home in New Braunfels, Texas after 10pm one night, after his girlfriend, 19-year-old Danielle Shields, texts a girl friend a message indicating that 'her boyfriend was abusing her' and that 'her arms were red'. Shields said Kelley had 'told her to pack a bag,' according to the report. When sheriff's deputies arrived, people at the home said there was a 'misunderstanding'. It doesn't make clear who spoke to deputies. No arrests were made.
• April 4: Kelley marries to Shields, according to Comal County, Texas records. He is 23 years old at the time.
• April 10: Kelley is kicked out of the Air Force with a bad discharge, but administrators forget to put his name in an FBI database used to conduct background checks on citizens looking to buy a firearm. This same year, he buys the first of four guns that police recover in their investigation into the church shooting.
• Moves to a mobile home park in Colorado Springs, Texas, where he registers to vote.
• August: A neighbor calls police after witnessing Kelley strike his husky puppy in the face with a closed fist several times. Another neighbor says Kelley grabbed the puppy, threw it into the air, then onto the ground and dragged it to his camper. Kelley refuses to come out of his trailer when police arrive on the scene, leading to an hour-long standoff. He eventually comes out and is taken into custody on a charge of misdemeanor animal cruelty. According to local court records, he was given a deferred probationary sentence and ordered to pay $368 in restitution. A protection order was also issued against him in 2015 on behalf of the local Humane Society, according to court records.
• December 2014: Buys a Glock 9mm handgun from Specialty Sports in Colorado Springs, Colorado.

2015

• Buys another gun from Specialty Sports in Colorado Springs. It's unclear what type of gun was bought during this visit to the Colorado Springs store.

2016

• April: Bought the Ruger AR-556 rifle he used in the church shooting from an Academy Sports store in San Antonio, according to CNN. He listed a Colorado Springs, Colorado address when he bought the gun.

2017

• At some point this year, Kelley and his wife move in his with parents in New Braunfels, Texas.
• Buy another gun police found after the shooting, this one from a different Academy Sports branch in San Antonio.
• June: Obtains a state private security license to work as a security guard at the Schlitterbahn water park in New Braunfels, but is fired after less than six weeks.
• He was then was hired as a security guard at the Summit Vacation Resort, also in New Braunfels. A manager there, Claudia Varjabedian, told the AP that Kelley 'seemed like a nice guy' and didn't cause her any problems.
• Some point before the shooting, starts sending his mother-in-law Michelle Shields threatening text messages.
• November 5: Opens fire during Sunday morning service at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, where his in-laws worship. The Shields family are not present during the attack. Twenty-six people are killed and 20 wounded before Kelley commits suicide.

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Sick assholes make this shit now "sporting" related so how can you hate it or knock it unless it is being used on 20+ people? Fucking disgrace. It's sportsware guys. Lmfao. Sick assholes.

"Sports branch" fucking sick. As strong as ever. Guns will never go away.....they are calling the shit a sport. Wow.

Poker is more of a sport than shooting a gun. What fucking pussies calling this shit sportsware. Fucking embarrassing

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

bullshit, you must be hanging in the wrong circles my friend

A cirlce of weed. Better get with the program now cops.

 

[Fridayzz]

Can someone please enlighten me? Why do people need automatic weapons? I absolutely believe people have a right to bear arms, but can't there be a limit on how many shots can be fired in a matter of seconds? There is no way to keep evil people from killing others, but perhaps we can try to make it a little tougher for them to kill and injure so many so quickly.

 

[HacheMan]

Can someone please enlighten me? Why do people need automatic weapons? I absolutely believe people have a right to bear arms, but can't there be a limit on how many shots can be fired in a matter of seconds? There is no way to keep evil people from killing others, but perhaps we can try to make it a little tougher for them to kill and injure so many so quickly.

I had a buddy thst used to say those with 'small man's disease' needed big guns & trucks..

 

[festeringZit]

Can someone please enlighten me? Why do people need automatic weapons? I absolutely believe people have a right to bear arms, but can't there be a limit on how many shots can be fired in a matter of seconds? There is no way to keep evil people from killing others, but perhaps we can try to make it a little tougher for them to kill and injure so many so quickly.

Clue for you: Making something illegal isn't going to keep the automatic weapons out of the hands of criminals, they'll get them on the black market or some other way.

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

Clue for you: Making something illegal isn't going to keep the automatic weapons out of the hands of criminals, they'll get them on the black market or some other way.

Shh... stop spreading common sense as it will confuse the liberal gun grabbers especially those celebrities & politicians who have private security who carry around guns!

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

Clue for you: Making something illegal isn't going to keep the automatic weapons out of the hands of criminals, they'll get them on the black market or some other way.

ATF takes that shit serious too. If there is word you are distributing guns. Won't take long for the cops to be in your shit. Problem is when people are allowed to go to gun shows and buy whatever the fuck they want with no regulations. Also sporting stores now selling the ultimate "sporting weapon". That's the NRA coming up with that garbage. Do you know how pissed off the NRA would be if their was some gun control in this country? Fridayzz is right. Don't try to justify it any other way.

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

Shh... stop spreading common sense as it will confuse the liberal gun grabbers especially those celebrities & politicians who have private security who carry around guns!

Private security who carry around guns??? What does that have to do with a deranged psycho from going to a sporting store or a gun show to buy an automatic weapon? There's no correlation. You are thinking about dems/republicans beef too much. Who gives a fuck about those loser parties. Think for yourself

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

You can't be serious, the ATF will not stop criminals from getting guns. Hell I could tell you 10 places in NYC off the top of my head to get all sorts of guns illegally. Gun control does not work & history has proven that where gun free zones continue to be the targets where people go to do things like this.

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

I had a buddy thst used to say those with 'small man's disease' needed big guns & trucks..

Agree. Macho thing. Anyone who gets a truck and doesn't put work related shit in it probably is a little bitch