WTF NEW ORLEANS going for it on fourth down!?!?!?!?!

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Yes the percentages seem to point for the PAts going for it yet they still kicked the field goal. Again using this threads logic in which it seems plausible that TB can score twice in 27 seconds, than it stands to reason that it is much more plausible that the Rams could score twice in a 1:12. (needing only a td and fg. If NO kicks the field goal TB needs two tds) Bottom line is Pats kicked the field goal when there was much more time on the clock, much easier to make a first down and much harder to kick a field goal.

If you go for it and miss...

Do you think it's easier to score once in 70 seconds from the 24 yard line?
Or to score twice in 27 seconds from the 2?

Hint: one is possible and one isn't. Therein might lie your answer.
 

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This is just a dumb thread all around .

The math says it’s the correct call.

And I don’t know what football the thread starter has been watching but I’ve seen this done in the past more then once or twice or 10 times.

Then Justin Cruise comes in here happy that M Thomas is hurt because Sean Payton deserves bad karma because he allowed a running back Cruise was going against in fantasy to possibly get a cheap score when everyone on this forum knows if Kamara was on his team he would be creaming in his pants at the play call and would probably have a Sean Payton avatar the next day.

But since he’s not , Payton is evil and Thomas deserves to be hurt when Thomas did not even get hurt on that play to begin with . He actually got hurt before that play so obviously it had nothing to do with bad karma
 

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This is just a dumb thread all around .

The math says it’s the correct call.

And I don’t know what football the thread starter has been watching but I’ve seen this done in the past more then once or twice or 10 times.

Then Justin Cruise comes in here happy that M Thomas is hurt because Sean Payton deserves bad karma because he allowed a running back Cruise was going against in fantasy to possibly get a cheap score when everyone on this forum knows if Kamara was on his team he would be creaming in his pants at the play call and would probably have a Sean Payton avatar the next day.

But since he’s not , Payton is evil and Thomas deserves to be hurt when Thomas did not even get hurt on that play to begin with . He actually got hurt before that play so obviously it had nothing to do with bad karma

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If you go for it and miss...

Do you think it's easier to score once in 70 seconds from the 24 yard line?
Or to score twice in 27 seconds from the 2?

Hint: one is possible and one isn't. Therein might lie your answer.


You fail to mention a big difference in percentages in completing a 4th and one and a 4th and two.
Easier to score 10 points in 1:12 than 14 points in 27 seconds.
Easier to kick a 19 yard field goal than a 41 yard field goal
Easier to complete a 4th and 1 than a 4th and 2 (Much easier because a qb sneak is what works best and you don't have to worry about injury for a 40 plus year old quarterback while it's pretty foolish to do it week one)
Also if one isn't possible all the more reason to kick a field goal. No chances of your qb or starting receivers getting hurt.
 

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This is just a dumb thread all around .

The math says it’s the correct call.

And I don’t know what football the thread starter has been watching but I’ve seen this done in the past more then once or twice or 10 times.

Then Justin Cruise comes in here happy that M Thomas is hurt because Sean Payton deserves bad karma because he allowed a running back Cruise was going against in fantasy to possibly get a cheap score when everyone on this forum knows if Kamara was on his team he would be creaming in his pants at the play call and would probably have a Sean Payton avatar the next day.

But since he’s not , Payton is evil and Thomas deserves to be hurt when Thomas did not even get hurt on that play to begin with . He actually got hurt before that play so obviously it had nothing to do with bad karma

61.5% to complete a 4th and 2 95% plus to kick an extra point. What math are you referring to?

Also I believe you called Belicheat the greatest coach ever so if he kicked a field in a less favourable situation why not Peyton? Any examples of PRO football going for it with such a lead and such little time?
 
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61.5% to complete a 4th and 2 95% plus to kick an extra point. What math are you referring to?

Also I believe you called Belicheat the greatest coach ever so if he kicked a field in a less favourable situation why not Peyton? Any examples of PRO football going for it with such a lead and such little time?

Quite frankly it's shocking that you're continuing on and on like this. The two situations are completely different. The Super Bowl example the Pats were making the game a 2 score game. In the Saints example if they go for it and get stuffed the Bucs have to score twice with 27 seconds left from 90 plus yards away. If they kick a FG and it's blocked and returned for a TD now it's a 3 pt. game after a 2 pt. conversion with 20 seconds left. If they make a FG and the kickoff is returned for a touchdown now it's a one score game with around 20 seconds left. Payton didn't kick the FG only because of his fear of having it blocked and returned for a TD and because they could potentially return the Kickoff for a TD. That's playing the %'s and why he is a great coach.
 
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I literally just went to ESPN and picked one game from last year that the Patriots played. They beat Dallas 13-9 and had the ball 4th and 5 with under 10 seconds left and didn't kick the FG. The first fucking game I looked at.
 

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Don't underestimate Payton as he has his spots to do the right thing at the right times.Always expect something from him as he is one of the best coaches out there,yes mistakes are made by everyone,but he usually comes out on top rather than on the other side
 

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Quite frankly it's shocking that you're continuing on and on like this. The two situations are completely different. The Super Bowl example the Pats were making the game a 2 score game. In the Saints example if they go for it and get stuffed the Bucs have to score twice with 27 seconds left from 90 plus yards away. If they kick a FG and it's blocked and returned for a TD now it's a 3 pt. game after a 2 pt. conversion with 20 seconds left. If they make a FG and the kickoff is returned for a touchdown now it's a one score game with around 20 seconds left. Payton didn't kick the FG only because of his fear of having it blocked and returned for a TD and because they could potentially return the Kickoff for a TD. That's playing the %'s and why he is a great coach.

Yeah pretty obvious and a really weird hill for OP to choose to die on.
 

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Quite frankly it's shocking that you're continuing on and on like this. The two situations are completely different. The Super Bowl example the Pats were making the game a 2 score game. In the Saints example if they go for it and get stuffed the Bucs have to score twice with 27 seconds left from 90 plus yards away. If they kick a FG and it's blocked and returned for a TD now it's a 3 pt. game after a 2 pt. conversion with 20 seconds left. If they make a FG and the kickoff is returned for a touchdown now it's a one score game with around 20 seconds left. Payton didn't kick the FG only because of his fear of having it blocked and returned for a TD and because they could potentially return the Kickoff for a TD. That's playing the %'s and why he is a great coach.

Ok it's shocking you're continuing on considering the statistically information I've posted. So the crux of your argument is the fear of having it blocked. I guess the Patriots have immunity to having their kicks blocked. You guys keep going on and on about the kick getting blocked. Well what happens if the kick gets blocked in the Super bowl??? Tie game. Right? So how can you successfully argue that it's right in that situation and not so in the Saints game? Saints kicking the field goal makes it a two Tds lead as opposed to a two score lead.
 

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I literally just went to ESPN and picked one game from last year that the Patriots played. They beat Dallas 13-9 and had the ball 4th and 5 with under 10 seconds left and didn't kick the FG. The first fucking game I looked at.

There was only 5 seconds left! Totally different. Average play takes 4.5 seconds. So going for it is the correct call considering there is no time left on the clock! There was no play after this. Game over.
 

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Wow
 

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If you go for it and miss...

Do you think it's easier to score once in 70 seconds from the 24 yard line?
Or to score twice in 27 seconds from the 2?

Hint: one is possible and one isn't. Therein might lie your answer.


Rams down 7 ball on 31 yardline 1:12 TB down 11 ball on 9 yardline 27 seconds to go. Without factoring in a greater probability of making a 4th and 1 as opposed to a 4th and 2 and a greater probability of making a 19 yard field goal as opposed to a 41 yard field. When you factor in your ancient QB getting hurt it becomes even more clear it was the wrong play. Totally unnecessary going for it!
 
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There was only 5 seconds left! Totally different. Average play takes 4.5 seconds. So going for it is the correct call considering there is no time left on the clock! There was no play after this. Game over.


Wrong again. As you've been this whole thread. Pats had a turnover on downs with one second left and Dallas ran the final play of the game in a 4 pt. game deep in Dallas territory.
 

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Wrong again. As you've been this whole thread. Pats had a turnover on downs with one second left and Dallas ran the final play of the game in a 4 pt. game deep in Dallas territory.

What wrong again lol! I'm at work looked over play by play quickly. Yes there was 1 second left but the Pats missed out on running the clock out! Totally different. Look at the previous 3 downs, they were just trying to run out the clock. They missed out by one second not the same thing. Like I said before with 5 seconds left you could easily run out the clock on one down. Nearly six times more time on the clock in the Saints game. Not even close to the same thing. Pats running out the clock. Saints trying to score more point.
 

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It's incredible how you guys can defend one coach going for it on 4th and 2 and not criticize a coach for not going for it on 4th and 1 when you have a much greater probability of converting a 4th and one as opposed to a 4th and two. Unbelievable!
 
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I don't even know what to say at this point. You're so clearly biased because you had a wager on the game that you're incapable of thinking logically or you just don't have a clear understanding of end of game football strategies.
 

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