Why would the average citizen need to own an AR-15?

[Enfuego]

which is why america has problems. Everybody is a special snowflake that should get what they want, it's my right. Well sometimes you forfeit your right. If you are deemed a danger you shouldn't have access. Why that seems outrageous boggles the mind.

What is a "danger" in your mind?

 

[Enfuego]

It's the v tech shooter you buffoon

I know who he you goof. Go practice your ebonics.

 

[nuckers]

I don't agree. My neighbor could say I'm dangerous and I could have my gun rights taken from me? Nope. That's not how our rights work in America.

I should have clarified, that it should be an experts diagnosis. Clearly not every accusation must be taken as gospel and rights taken away but in this case, you had a psych and school board as well as tipline calls, what more do they need before saying no guns for him.

 

[nuckers]

What is a "danger" in your mind?

risk to cause harm to others or yourself should get you into a psychiatric consultation, whereby an expert can make the call on your mental stability.

 

[Enfuego]

I should have clarified, that it should be an experts diagnosis. Clearly not every accusation must be taken as gospel and rights taken away but in this case, you had a psych and school board as well as tipline calls, what more do they need before saying no guns for him.

I agree with this.

 

[ERockMoney]

It may be BS, you never know with the news, but several reports said he had been in and out of mental health facilities and had been receiving treatment/medication in the past for various mental health issues. In that case, seems like that type of person should be flagged from legally purchasing a firearm. Of course, they could go the route of illegally purchasing firearms, but I see no valid reason a person who is diagnosed with mental health issues should be able to have legal access to guns.

 

[Acebb]

which is why america has problems. Everybody is a special snowflake that should get what they want, it's my right. Well sometimes you forfeit your right. If you are deemed a danger you shouldn't have access. Why that seems outrageous boggles the mind.

There is a process to determine whether or not you're a danger.

The fact that you don't like the Constitutional regime, which has nothing to do with being a "snowflake," of America, means nothing. You don't live here nor do you really understand the law.

 

[Acebb]

I should have clarified, that it should be an experts diagnosis. Clearly not every accusation must be taken as gospel and rights taken away but in this case, you had a psych and school board as well as tipline calls, what more do they need before saying no guns for him.

They need an adjudication that he was mentally ill or an involuntary commitment to a mental institution.

You not liking Due Process or thinking it is crazy, really doesn't advance the ball here.

 

[Greenbacks]

Acebb always kicking ass

 

[cy1981]

Anyone caught with an illegal firearm, automatic 10 years no parole. Anyone caught with coke, meth, heroin, 10 years no probation. Quit fucking around.

That would be fine with me but the cost to build about 5 times the amount of prisons we have now would be a little cost prohibitive. There would be about 100 arrests for drug possession for every 1 illegal fireman possession.....maybe even worse.

 

[Enfuego]

That would be fine with me but the cost to build about 5 times the amount of prisons we have now would be a little cost prohibitive. There would be about 100 arrests for drug possession for every 1 illegal fireman possession.....maybe even worse.

Maybe I'm being dramatic about the drug part of what I said but guns? Heck yes.

 

[THawk+]

That would be fine with me but the cost to build about 5 times the amount of prisons we have now would be a little cost prohibitive. There would be about 100 arrests for drug possession for every 1 illegal fireman possession.....maybe even worse.

You do know that we have the one of the highest or highest rates for incarceration in the world and you want to add to it...

 

[Albatross]

So the anti gun folks will admit if they ban guns the school shootings and such will stop? Not one mention of drugs, video games, culture in Hollywood.....but it's the gun alone that does the killing? How much will these incidents go down once certain guns are banned?

How about placing some blame on some shitty parents. Make them accountable. No way in hell my kids do an act like this. That is guaranteed.

 

[cloverleaf]

So the anti gun folks will admit if they ban guns the school shootings and such will stop? Not one mention of drugs, video games, culture in Hollywood.....but it's the gun alone that does the killing? How much will these incidents go down once certain guns are banned?

How about placing some blame on some shitty parents. Make them accountable. No way in hell my kids do an act like this. That is guaranteed.

God bless you Albert...I feel the same way about my kids. Parents either make things happen with their kids or
wonder what happened.

 

[nuckers]

There is a process to determine whether or not you're a danger.

The fact that you don't like the Constitutional regime, which has nothing to do with being a "snowflake," of America, means nothing. You don't live here nor do you really understand the law.

The process is flawed, the sheer number of mentally ill patients committing these types of atrocities should be enough proof of that.

It doesn't have to mean anything, it's my opinion and I live half the year in the US and employ 30 Americans, meet the threshold for citizenship but I have no need, want or desire to get it, I'm a proud Canadian. That doesn't mean I don't understand the law, I just question if it could be better ... and I'm not sure how another 6 months of the year invested would imbue me with any special insight about the law, most full time Americans don't have a clue about your laws so what does living there have to do with anything? If laws were perfect there would be no process to overturn them or alter them in any way, so that there is should be enough for any of us to conclude that Americans were given the power to adapt a law as times adapted for a reason, to change as needed.

 

[nuckers]

They need an adjudication that he was mentally ill or an involuntary commitment to a mental institution.

You not liking Due Process or thinking it is crazy, really doesn't advance the ball here.

I'm all for due process but the kid should've faced due process, he never had to, he was simply slipping thru the cracks. As I said a post earlier, the system is flawed. There needs to be a better system in place for getting these troubled individuals assessed so that the following step of a judicial review or whomever the decided arbiter(s) are can make a decision. I didn't say that due process was crazy, I said that he had that many strikes and wasn't being looked at for a review to strip his gun rights was crazy.

 

[Enfuego]

The process is flawed, the sheer number of mentally ill patients committing these types of atrocities should be enough proof of that.

It doesn't have to mean anything, it's my opinion and I live half the year in the US and employ 30 Americans, meet the threshold for citizenship but I have no need, want or desire to get it, I'm a proud Canadian. That doesn't mean I don't understand the law, I just question if it could be better ... and I'm not sure how another 6 months of the year invested would imbue me with any special insight about the law, most full time Americans don't have a clue about your laws so what does living there have to do with anything? If laws were perfect there would be no process to overturn them or alter them in any way, so that there is should be enough for any of us to conclude that Americans were given the power to adapt a law as times adapted for a reason, to change as needed.

Not all people that do this are mentally ill though.

 

[cy1981]

You do know that we have the one of the highest or highest rates for incarceration in the world and you want to add to it...

If you read what I was responding to that is what I was saying. No way we could hold all drug users in prisons.

 

[beefdiesel]

There will be a civil war if liberal nutjobs get back in power, that’s why everyone should have an ar15

 

[Acebb]

I'm all for due process but the kid should've faced due process, he never had to, he was simply slipping thru the cracks. As I said a post earlier, the system is flawed. There needs to be a better system in place for getting these troubled individuals assessed so that the following step of a judicial review or whomever the decided arbiter(s) are can make a decision. I didn't say that due process was crazy, I said that he had that many strikes and wasn't being looked at for a review to strip his gun rights was crazy.

Ok, I largely agree with you there.