Why Is Tiger The Favorite To Win The Masters???

[wabashwonders]

"many swing changes"?? this is his 3rd one. trust me, i'm as big of a tiger fan as there is, i'm not bashing him. he has gone through droughts where he didnt win tournys when he changed his swing the other two times, not as big of a drought as this one though. which is why i agree he has some head probs right now, wouldnt you have some head problems if you were one of the 5 most influential individuals in the world and out of nowhere had everything bad you've ever done get thrown out to the wolves of the world?

as far as the swing changes in his career go, when he switched from harmon to haney, it wasnt even close to being as drastic as a swing change as it is with foley. personally, i think he is getting the foley swing down, nobody hit the ball as good as he did at the masters or doral. his short game was lacking at those tournaments, which is hard to believe because he is the greatest short game player golf has ever seen.

once he is in contention in tournys, i dont think his mental game is the problem as we saw on sunday at augusta. its getting into contention that is the prob, which is what we saw on saturday at augusta. he lost the masters on saturday. its alot harder to go out and post a number an hour before the leaders finish than it is to see #'s posted and play to that number.

your on crack and know absolutely zero about golf if you think the swing change has nothing to do with his winless drought. we've been through this before where people start bashing him for not winning, then he gets his shit together and everybody that was bashing hides. i doubt he ever completely dominates golf like he used to, but i have no reason to believe he doesnt break jack's record and regain his unquestionable #1 ranking.

who's #1 this week? westwood........wtf has he ever done in his career. how many majors has he won. show me some resumes of golfers that compare to woods and maybe i'll change my mind. i'll be waiting for some resumes

WHOA!!! slow down Taylor, Im on your side as far as Tiger goes. I am definitely not bashing him in any way. But I still say his problem is in his head and not in his swing. And trust me, I know plenty about golf. I have been around golf my entire life and was working in a pro shop at the age of 13, so I do know a little about the game. Tiger shot 31 on the front nine on Sunday in the Masters to put himself tied for the lead going to the back nine. In past years he would have easily won in that position, but he doesn't have that killer instinct in him right now like he did in the past and thats a mental thing, not a physical thing. And for a player of Tigers caliber, 3 swing changes can be considered many by some. I agree with you that he eventually will regain his #1 ranking and eventually break Jack's major record.

Keep in mind, this is not Tigers longest major drought without a win. He went 10 majors without a win back in 2002-2004 and that was when he wasn't having the problems he is having now. Right now, he is at 9 without a win. So, this is not the first time in his career he has gone this long without a major win. I still think he win a major this year...

 

[taylor13]

WHOA!!! slow down Taylor, Im on your side as far as Tiger goes. I am definitely not bashing him in any way. But I still say his problem is in his head and not in his swing. And trust me, I know plenty about golf. I have been around golf my entire life and was working in a pro shop at the age of 13, so I do know a little about the game. Tiger shot 31 on the front nine on Sunday in the Masters to put himself tied for the lead going to the back nine. In past years he would have easily won in that position, but he doesn't have that killer instinct in him right now like he did in the past and thats a mental thing, not a physical thing. And for a player of Tigers caliber, 3 swing changes can be considered many by some. I agree with you that he eventually will regain his #1 ranking and eventually break Jack's major record.

Keep in mind, this is not Tigers longest major drought without a win. He went 10 majors without a win back in 2002-2004 and that was when he wasn't having the problems he is having now. Right now, he is at 9 without a win. So, this is not the first time in his career he has gone this long without a major win. I still think he win a major this year...

I disagree completely that he would have won in the old days. Charles Shwartzel birdied the last 4 holes an hour after tiger was completely off the golf course. Jason day and Adam Scott made runs as well after tiger was long gone. Tiger would have to have posted a incredible score to scare the guys that finished waaaaay after he finished, and he wasn't exactly playing a local muni course. He lost the tourn on Saturday, not Sunday.

I agree 100% he has some mental issues, but he's playing with a new swing and his short game is lacking right now because he has been learning a COMPLETELY new golf swing. It's not like he changed his grip and now he is ready

 

[5teamparlay]

Random golfer #1 Lee Westwood ZERO major wins in his career in 52 starts over 17 years of trying. No one is slamming him, have fun picking him.

 

[BAGIANT]

Why is this thread still going on....Masters is long gone!

 

[GoSooners]

Random golfer #1 Lee Westwood ZERO major wins in his career in 52 starts over 17 years of trying. No one is slamming him, have fun picking him.

Not winning a major doesn't stop me from betting on a golfer. In fact 7 out of the last 8 majors winners have been first time majors winners. Only Phil Mickelson's 2010 Masters win was by someone with previous majors wins. But the Masters is the only major held at the same location every year. And it is an invitational type of tournament that is limited to a smaller field of golfers than other majors. So you've got the horses for that course (Mickelson, Woods) that automatically have a better chance before they even tee it up. Not so with the other majors played at different venues. So for here on out, golfers like Lee Westwood will have a much better chance imo to get their first majors win.

 

[REDEYE]

No one has performed better in the last 5 majors than tiger, compare him to anyone...


These are just the actual numbers he is the best.

I'm sure he could golf every week and play in tampa and Houston and get some victories.... But he doesn't need to be and isn't a grinder.

His body doesn't hold up anymore for him to play every week ! Last year he didn't even qualify to play in the Tour Championship. Maybe he should play Houston or these other tournaments so that doesn't happen again.

 

[5teamparlay]

Random Golfer #2 kaymer


Results timeline

Tournament 2008 2009 2010 2011
The Masters CUT CUT CUT CUT
U.S. Open T53 CUT T8
The Open Championship 80 T34 T7
PGA Championship CUT T6 1

Cut cut cut cut cut cut. ....... Cmon man...


Who ya gonna pick with that gun held to your head.

Won the PGA. Only 1 top 5 in 13 tourney.

 

[kermit16]

You can now get 2/1 odds that Tiger will not win one of the remaining 3 Majors. It would be an easy hedge to our " Tiger to win no majors " prop but I'm not biting. I love my " Tiger wins 0 Majors " wager in 2011 !
Obviously Tiger's best chance was the Master's and He fell short.

 

[5teamparlay]

Random golfer #3 major performances

Bubba Watson

Tournament 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
The Masters DNP DNP DNP DNP T20 42 DNP T38
U.S. Open CUT DNP DNP T5 CUT T18 DNP
The Open Championship DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP CUT CUT
PGA Championship DNP DNP DNP CUT 70 CUT 2



Once again gun at head taking Tiger is no brainer

 

[REDEYE]

Random golfer #3 major performances

Bubba Watson

Tournament 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
The Masters DNP DNP DNP DNP T20 42 DNP T38
U.S. Open CUT DNP DNP T5 CUT T18 DNP
The Open Championship DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP CUT CUT
PGA Championship DNP DNP DNP CUT 70 CUT 2



Once again gun at head taking Tiger is no brainer

Since when ? When was the last time you cashed a ticket with Tiger's name on it ! How is bashing Bubba helping you win with Tiger ? I realize I am the idiot on this forum betting against Tiger, and the rest of you are a genius for backing him as the favorite in these tournaments. But how is he making you money over the last 2 years ? And BTW how can you backers keep telling us he is the best golfer out there when he hasn't won in......................

 

[taylor13]

hope you didnt listen to me red eye. sorry if u did

 

[REDEYE]

hope you didnt listen to me red eye. sorry if u did

No , was real busy yesterday, didn't even watch the tournament

 

[5teamparlay]

Since when ? When was the last time you cashed a ticket with Tiger's name on it ! How is bashing Bubba helping you win with Tiger ? I realize I am the idiot on this forum betting against Tiger, and the rest of you are a genius for backing him as the favorite in these tournaments. But how is he making you money over the last 2 years ? And BTW how can you backers keep telling us he is the best golfer out there when he hasn't won in......................

The title is why is Tiger the fav. No one else can come up with anyone else until a random dickhead had a few good rounds. Yes the field is favored over tiger we all get that. This is not field verses Tiger.

 

[REDEYE]

The title is why is Tiger the fav. No one else can come up with anyone else until a random dickhead had a few good rounds. Yes the field is favored over tiger we all get that. This is not field verses Tiger.

No basis for him to be favored. He hasn't won in how long ? Gun to my head as you say, I wouldn't pick Tiger

 

[GoSooners]

This is not field verses Tiger.

Well yes, in a way it is the Field vs Tiger. You can't consider the Field a random golfer. You're getting many golfers for the price of one. And I've seen many a tournament where when Tiger does falter, it's not the other players who have the odds besides their names who beat him, it's the random Field golfer who tops him. And that even goes back to the days he was playing well. He couldn't be expected to win every tournament back then, and he's even less likely to do it now. Keep in mind that in the early 2000's Tiger had a majors win run like no other golfer in history in basically winning 4 majors in a row. And you would have made a ton of money if you bet on him during this hot period. But he only did that once in a short two year window. He was never that dominant again either before or since. Even Jack Nicklaus in a 30 year career only won 18 majors. Which comes out to a little over 1 major every two years. Tiger has been a professional since he was 20 years old. He's got 14 majors in a 13 year period. That comes out to about 1 major a year. So in the overall scheme of things, Tiger's odds should be no better than 4 to 1 to win any major. No matter what phase he is in his career. That's why I would be just as apt to bet the Field. Especially in a major like the U.S. Open, where there are a high number of local and sectional qualifiers, along with anyone with a 1 handicap or lower. And there have been some real longshots from the field win this tourney in the past like Todd Hamilton and Steve Jones just to name a couple. So the field isn't a bad bet in a tournament like this. I usually make three win bets on the U.S, Open. I take two of the hotter golfers coming into the tournament, plus the field.
As a rule the U.S. Open winner has been won by a player who has played super well throughout the year, or a random golfer who has had a super special hot week to get the win. I'm not really big on taking golfers at 40-1 odds or greater in this kind of major. With the tough and sometimes brutal playing conditions the U.S. Open offers, I would rather take the golfer who is playing at the top of his game.

 

[taylor13]

No basis for him to be favored. He hasn't won in how long ? Gun to my head as you say, I wouldn't pick Tiger

who the fuck would you pick then? seriously, who would you want to play a tourn for you, if it came down to life or death?

you would be the dumbest person in the world if you didnt make the obvious choice....if you didnt pick him, give me a reason for who you pick, and show me a resume that explains to me why you are not an idiot for picking whoever it is

 

[Albatross]

who the fuck would you pick then? seriously, who would you want to play a tourn for you, if it came down to life or death?

you would be the dumbest person in the world if you didnt make the obvious choice....if you didnt pick him, give me a reason for who you pick, and show me a resume that explains to me why you are not an idiot for picking whoever it is

Not to interrupt yall's pissing match, but I agree 110% with you on this. Everyone loves ripping on Tiger now, but I have yet seen anyone say who should be the favorite to win other than a few Phil followers. The way I look at it this if you picked one golfer and made a bet with another man that also chose a golfer.....would you fill more confident having Tiger in your corner or not? There is no way I could pick any other golfer over Tiger in that format and feel comfortable with my bet. Not saying he would win the tourney, but I would rather have him to win rather than any single golfer in the field.......that being said, you are an idiot to not take the complete field against any golfer at anytime.

To say that you would not pick Tiger is ludicrous and you must not follow golf. I would love to see who everyone who is so anti-Tiger picks for the US Open, even with a hurt knee.

 

[REDEYE]

who the fuck would you pick then? seriously, who would you want to play a tourn for you, if it came down to life or death?

you would be the dumbest person in the world if you didnt make the obvious choice....if you didnt pick him, give me a reason for who you pick, and show me a resume that explains to me why you are not an idiot for picking whoever it is

Like I have said, I realize I am the idiot here on this thread in not picking or betting on Tiger to win majors. I know I don't know anything about golf since I don't bet the favorites at 5/1- 8/1 when the golfer doesn't win anymore or can't make a clutch putt. I would pick anyone that has been winning recently with some good odds of course. I know this doesn't make sense because your hearing it from a idiot, but betting on the the favorites is not the way to make money in futures, especially golf. Thats like picking a needle in haystack. Like GS way posting, pick the hot golfer if a gun was to your head. I realize " golf guy " knows alot more then me by picking a guy who doesn't win anymore and can't make putts , along with his body breaking down, but I will just keep being a idiot picking against him and keep getting lucky.I know I should follow you smart " golf guys "and pick Tiger at 5/1 to win the Open, but I will pass AGAIN. I will be the first to congratulate you smart guys if he ever gets back on track.

 

[taylor13]

Like I have saidi, I realize I am the idiot here on this thread in not picking or betting on Tiger to win majors. I know I don't know anything about golf since I don't bet the favorites at 5/1- 8/1 when the golfer doesn't win anymore or can't make a clutch putt. I would pick anyone that has been winning recently with some good odds of course. I know this doesn't make sense because your hearing it from a idiot, but betting on the the favorites is not the way to make money in futures, especially golf. Thats like picking a needle in haystack. Like GS way posting, pick the hot golfer if a gun was to your head. I realize " golf guy " knows alot more then me by picking a guy who doesn't win anymore and can't make putts , along with his body breaking down, but I will just keep being a idiot picking against him and keep getting lucky.I know I should follow you smart " golf guys "and pick Tiger at 5/1 to win the Open, but I will pass AGAIN. I will be the first to congratulate you smart guys if he ever gets back on track.

doesn't answer the question again.
question is:
WHICH GOLFER YOU PICKING IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT?

If you say the hot golfer, does that mean right now your taking Bubba Watson, or Brandt Snedeker at the next major with your life on the line?

The answer to this threads title:
because Tiger has won 14 majors, 80+ tournys worldwide, 4 green jackets....and last but not least because that's prob the lowest # the books could put out there and still get publics money coming through the window.

and just so you know again, I take longshots with outrageous odds in the majors, so no need to ask when the last time I cashed a tiger ticket......but I'm smart enough to understand why tiger woods is the favorite at a major, or any other golf course in the world. I dnt care if the golf course is in Phils front yard, im still picking tiger if my life is on the line.

and by the way, I'd say tiger played pretty good on the sprained MCL Sunday. what do u think?

 

[REDEYE]

doesn't answer the question again.
question is:
WHICH GOLFER YOU PICKING IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT?

If you say the hot golfer, does that mean right now your taking Bubba Watson, or Brandt Snedeker at the next major with your life on the line?

The answer to this threads title:
because Tiger has won 14 majors, 80+ tournys worldwide, 4 green jackets....and last but not least because that's prob the lowest # the books could put out there and still get publics money coming through the window.

and just so you know again, I take longshots with outrageous odds in the majors, so no need to ask when the last time I cashed a tiger ticket......but I'm smart enough to understand why tiger woods is the favorite at a major, or any other golf course in the world. I dnt care if the golf course is in Phils front yard, im still picking tiger if my life is on the line.

and by the way, I'd say tiger played pretty good on the sprained MCL Sunday. what do u think?

With all that being said he still didn't win did he, so your life is over I guess AGAIN. Who gives a fuck if he played well ? What are you and Tiger looking for a pat on the back ? Fact is I will worry about the Open and who I play when it gets time. A hint though, it won't be Tiger and I still will be a idiot for him not having him finish again