Why is the Ace-Ace charade still allowed to go on?

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Kojak said:
I don't believe anyone deserves the credit when they win or blame when they lose. We are all responsible for our own actions. It is like a coach in baseball who gets credit for winning and blamed for losing. Same analogy. I have met Ace at the bash. I have mixed emotions on Ace. First, he is an asset for sure here at the RX. No doubt. There are a lot of people that believe in him and I think that is great. The problem I have from Ace comes from the bash. I had stopped posting and following games for 6 months leading up to bash. I was given a preseason play on TB under in a preseason game from a guy a greatly respect. I gave the play out on Thursday for a Saturday game. I even told people when I gave it out it was not my selection but one that was given to me. Two days later on Saturday I run into a couple of guys before game started on Saturday asking me if I had Ace's play. I told him no as I had not been around. He told me it was the TB under. The funny thing was I had told Ace earlier in day on Saturday during break to Poker tourney about the play. A few hours later he was telling people it was his play. It is not a big deal but lost respect for him at that point as it was not even my play. The play lost which probably made it worse for people. The fact that he was accussed earlier this year of stealing plays coupled with what I knew made me realize what he was about. I hope he turns it around and gets back to the straight and narrow cause I think he adds a lot to this forum. For anyone that doubts the story there are very known people who can confirm this story. Ace, get back to being you and trusting your instincts. Being a great person is more important that picking winners.




Kojak, my RX Bash Brother, it is not very often when you can remember a losing $200 pre season play. But I remember it well as it was the only bet I made the whole weekend.:missingte I do NOT remember who originated the play but I went along and that is just gambling. I am disappointed that this "tout policy" has been responsible for some people that have been run off from the RX.

I see a trend of veteran and successful handicappers either leaving or not posting plays on the RX and it saddens me. Keep on keeping on. LT
 

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A few times in past The Rx has paid posters for help grading contests.


Natrually I assume that Marty and Rick are paid but how much or how often I have no idea.

If The Rx. paid Ace Ace then moderators like Fishhead, Sportsavant, Robfunk, Journeyman, Xpanda and myself would only be allowed to post their selections in the Site Promotions forums according to your way of thinking.


The bottom line with Ace Ace is that he doesn't cost a single penny to any Rx, poster or lurker. People visit this site for free and most are looking for winners and Ace is no different than any other sports handicapper he smells much better when he wins. Had the Ravens won last night I highly doubt this thread would be happening at 6AM EDT on a Friday morning.


wil.


Wil, did you not see the ? after asking a QUESTION? I (thought) it was pretty well known that Ace was (paid??) by the RX to do what ever he does??


Yes, I'm an RX payroll expert Wil....


Beating a dead horse....
 

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Mr. Smith said:
Im sorry for my use of profanity and using it towards another poster. I was wrong to do that. I apologize to Ace and everyone for that. Late night Mr. Smith is occasionally not as nice as regular Mr Smith.
My dislike of touts that use bad tactics and belief that Ace is one of them I stand by.

Mr. Smith,

No problem, things happen.

Nobody will argue with your belief that Ace is a tout - he sells his picks for money, which makes him a tout. I may not feel the same way as you do about that industry, but it is no secret that many people don't like it.

Thanks
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I am the head modertor, you are a poster here, one thing I do know is who works for me and who does not. Ace Ace does not work for me. I don't pay him, get him paid, see to it that he is paid or have the shightest clue how much money (if any) he urns to support his family.


Burn in hell atta, after the half dozen or so times I have removed you from post review in the past in all honesty I did it again because I am Massachusetts born, bred and honorably discharged Viet Nam Vet. who tries to helps other local Boston mutts, vets or not, whenever I can. For the record I lived not far from Carney hospital on Dorchester ave back in the 50's and 60's.. Just recently moved off of Cape Cod to here in San Jose Costa Rica in in order to help my step daughter graduate from The University of Costra Rica. I stop by the Brocton VA off Rt24 every chance I get in order to "remember when" couple cartoons of cigs, some candy and sharea a few stories that get longer everytimr with the hundreads of other Bay State vets less vortunate than I am..

If you guys want to pile on Ace Ace, myself, Rx. managaement, the other moderators or just The RX itself then go right ahead.

The Ravens lost last night and there is nothing I can do about it.



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Wil - Thanks for the background, I have family that lived on DOT Ave for years, however i was just telling it how i see it. I dont care about the Ravens I didnt bet that game, Ace is a good man. LT 's point about great cappers moving or not capping at all is spot on and thats the worst part of it all. This is only my 2nd time on review to be specific I bet soon I will be banned like whalewager, a quality person/poster.

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I am the head modertor, you are a poster here, one thing I do know is who works for me and who does not. Ace Ace does not work for me. I don't pay him, get him paid, see to it that he is paid or have the shightest clue how much money (if any) he urns to support his family.


Burn in hell atta, after the half dozen or so times I have removed you from post review in the past in all honesty I did it again because I am Massachusetts born, bred and honorably discharged Viet Nam Vet. who tries to helps other local Boston mutts, vets or not, whenever I can. For the record I lived not far from Carney hospital on Dorchestor ave back in the 50's and 60's.. Just recently moved off of Cape Cod to here in San Jose Costa Rica in in order to help my step daughter graduate from The University of Costra Rica. I stop by the Brocton VA off Rt24 every chance I get in order to "remember when" couple cartoons of cigs, some candy and sharea a few stories that get longer everytimr with the hundreads of other Bay State vets less vortunate than I am..

If you guys want to pile on Ace Ace, myself, Rx. managaement, the other moderators or just The RX itself then go right ahead.

The Ravens lost last night and there is nothing I can do about it.



wil...
 

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RickA said:
Are you being serious? That being said - Hell yes.

I could show people how to bonus hunt casinos if you guys would like as well, not to toot my own horn but I have made a very good living doing this for 5 years now and have gotten out of the racket and would love to share this info with others.

Cheers
 

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joeyfitzclick said:
Hypathetically, the Rx grants you your wish. Ace is no longer allowed to post in the sports forums.

So what ?
Are you happy now ?
Does this affect your life in any way ?
Why do you care ?



LOL, touche.


was just reading through this mess I created and hit on this. Ill be the first to admit most of the time I am a DF myself, if that answers the questions
 

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Wow...what I said had nothing to do about Ace Ace or baltimore losing last night whatsoever, don't try to push it on that....you can continue to keep dodging what I wrote and blame my posts on the disrespect of Ace Ace but the issue here is simple wil

You ask posters to show "at least a modicum of class" to the RX yet you don't do the same to certain posters, instead laughing them off....

Oh I forgot, you "promise to not lose any sleep over what you consider professional or unprofessional behaviour on my part" ...you might not care what I think, but you might care what your bosses think and I know if they read that they would not consider that showing class/respect/proffesionalism on your part
 

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Copied this from another sites service section.

Personaly I feel as long as he;s not soliciting he;s free to post in sports sections.

All the whinner touts had same oppurtunity but didn;t want to give thier plays away for free,just want to promote thier business as the net is the only place they can hustle up clients.






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How can they get away w/ this??? ace-ace yesterday 0-4 including his 4 dime money line on the ravens. this is from his site.

Allen Eastman News and Notes (Friday, 12/1/06)

The streaks continue!! I'm 17-8 L25 in the NBA, 6-1-1 the past week in the NHL, and 9-5 L14 in College Basketball.

Winner, Winner, Winner, Winner, Winner!!! don't you mean loser,loser,loser,loser!

and of course his partner in crime bob harvey went 3 - 6!

ace-ace
3 tor nba
3 buff nhl
2 marq cbb

remember this is an investment....LOL
 

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I might as well chime in too. For me I don't think the RX has done anything wrong nor is doing anything wrong, in fact Wil does a great job in my opinion of limiting these touts to their proper areas. They have their own area but all situations are not the same. The way this came down it made sense the way they handled it, who cares if they are paying a guy that is and has been one of the more popular posters this site has ever had, we should appreciate that. In fact if the RX hadn't kept him we would never hear the end of it. My personal disappointment is with what Ace is doing now that he's losing, he was a lot easier to take before he became an official tout and was so hard pressed to show a profit. It's not the losing most folks are so upset with, we've all done that, it's the tout-like comments of how much he is winning in other sports and the other chest beating. I've also noticed others with very few posts are often coming in and doing a little shilling for him now as well. That is minor though, more importantly the CHASING is what's really looking bad IMO!! There is no other words for it, he's playing the same game that Rodfather and Kodiak used to play in these forums. Keep on pressing up the $$ in hopes he finally gets hot so he can show us all how much he "won" again this year.

I looked at the first 7 weeks as I was curious, in not one of those weeks was he even betting half of what he is betting now. In week #3 for instance he had a total of $4300 in play, this week just one of his play is for $4000 all by itself. We went from a weekly huge play that was $2000, when he got down it went to $2500, just recently it rose to $3000, and now of course it up's to $4000. We skipped the $3500 platform entirely. When you have a spread from betting $200 a game to $4000 a game than that is ridiculous! Yes I know the RX can't tell the man how to bet, but that does not change the fact it's still terrible that he is showing all these guys almost the exact opposite of what they should be seeing. When you are getting hammered and apparently mired in a bad streak where you just can't win, you do not keep increasing the amounts in hopes you finally win, be smart and live to fight another day, things will change. Most people know that, unfortunately those are not the newer folks that are mostly reading his threads. If you lose you lose, I don't blame him for that, I just wish this guy would set a smart example of how you lose and NOT chase!! Make this horrible season a positive thing, a guy with this kind of popularity losing like this yet still keeping consistant would have been great example for others to follow....

The RX has Fish, Jman and lot of others that through their experience pass on a helluva lot of good information to the gamblers, they represent the RX in a positive manner. To see this guy being the most popular of them all and just blatantly chasing his loses, boasting about his "wins" from either other years or other sports, and moonlighting as a tout is a damn shame IMO. Don't get me wrong, I got nothing against Ace, everyone I know that has met him thinks highly of him. I have even seen the selfless way he has assisted many others in the past, I just think he's so caught up (like most touts are) in desperately showing a profit that he is doing as much harm now as he did good in the past. Not only doing this is showing others what not to do, if not careful it could detract from his other wins, players might question if he is doing this now was he doing the same back then as he claims he wins 11 of 13 years or whatever it was? If he really is "an ex-bookie that is interested in helping players win" than he could be using his leverage in other areas right now. Helping others goes beyond throwing up picks, help them manage their money and be smart through your own actions rather than just verbalizing it every week. Either way no beefs Mr Eastman, just keep in mind you have a lot of influence and act accordingly. Everyone knows how to win, show everyone you know how to lose as well. Good luck pal.
 

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BadCo said:
How can they get away w/ this??? ace-ace yesterday 0-4 including his 4 dime money line on the ravens. this is from his site.

Allen Eastman News and Notes (Friday, 12/1/06)

The streaks continue!! I'm 17-8 L25 in the NBA, 6-1-1 the past week in the NHL, and 9-5 L14 in College Basketball.

AT DOC THE DAY BEFORE IN NBA WAS 17-7 ONE LOST NOW 17-8

NHL THE DAY BEFORE IN NHL I WAS 6-0-1... ONE LOST NOW 6-1-1

CBB THE DAY BEFORE I WAS 9-4 NOW 9-5

DEADLINE IS 1PM....SOME OF MY PICKS ARE NOT AT DOC'S IF I LIKE A GAME AFTER THE DEADLINE I POST IT IN THR TRACKING FORUM...

THERX GETS ALL THE PICKS !!!AFTER THE FOOTBALL I WILL BE IN THE NBA ONE ALOT IF THATS OK WITH YOU....

DOC DONT FIX THE RECORDS I HAVE TO SEND IN THE SPEADSHEET EVERY DAY TO SHOW MY PICKS TO THE OFFICE.... THEY ARE THE SAME AS I POST HERE PLUS MORE:thumbsup:

AA

AA
 

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ACE-ACE said:
DOC DONT FIX THE RECORDS I HAVE TO SEND IN THE SPEADSHEET EVERY DAY TO SHOW MY PICKS TO THE OFFICE.... THEY ARE THE SAME AS I POST HERE PLUS MORE:thumbsup:

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I wasn;t questioning anything just copied and pasted from a service section.

I have been an Ace apoligist thus far but gotta admit all this Doc stuff is starting to sway my opinion as before we knew you took a part time job with but was not really mentioned much till lately.

I am very much an anti tout kinda guy as i feel paying for pays is stupid and being lazy.

Regardless good luck and hope it turns around soon!
 

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wilheim said:
I am the head modertor, you are a poster here, one thing I do know is who works for me and who does not. Ace Ace does not work for me. I don't pay him, get him paid, see to it that he is paid or have the shightest clue how much money (if any) he urns to support his family.

Wil, I'm not talking about who works for you, what I'm asking is if AA get's paid by the RX to post plays, that's it.. Let me refrase it, is AA compensated in any way to post his plays, or just post in general here at the RX?

Just a curious troublemaker, sorry.
 

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ACE made a lot of money for people in this forum over the years and now every one wants to bash him because he is on a losing streak you have to grow up here and look at the bottom line this guy is a great capper and over time he will come out on top no questions asked this is just a bump in the road and before the year is over he will have positive numbers!!
 

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WOW, last year Ace Ace goes on a nice run makes alot of people lots of cash and they are patting him on the back and thanking him to no ends, this year he is having a tough year (and anybody that says they don't have one of these type of years is full of crap and only fooling themselfs) and the bashing and piling on starts, and I don't want to hear your reasons why, none IMO would matter or be concrete, read his threads or don't, bet his picks or fade them, its your choice and your decision and nobody else's. If you have followed and lost tough shit, you made the decision to, nobody made you and if it is hurting you financially then you shouldn't be gambling in the first place and you have a bigger problem to worry about. Gamble within your means or don't gamble at all.

And if you don't like the way the Management/Mods are running the site then leave, once again your choice but its there site and there rules abide by them or face the consequences, it is very simple if you ask me.
 

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My opinion on this -

WHO FUCKING CARES??

I don't read ACE's picks, I don't care about ACE's picks, I don't care if people lose via ACE's picks

Neither should anybody else, and if you do, get a life. He's a poster just like everyone else here and should take his opinion as just that - an opinion. Make your own picks.
 

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I get my plays from a house plant. I gave up on the double A.
 

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ACE-ACE said:
SET THE RECORD RIGHT...GIVE YOU YOUR DO'S WHEN BACK TO WEEK 2 SEASON
BEEN TOLD SOMETHING ON THE TB GAME BY ANOTHER RX POSTER THIS HAS WON 8 OF THE LAST TEN TIMES....

AFTER DOUBLE CHECKING THIS I LIKE IT ALSO.....GOD!!!! IF ONLY WE ALL LIVE IN THE SAME TOWN!!!!!

NO TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT ...GOING TO PLAY POKER IN ONE HOUR!!!

SO FAR I'AM A LITTLE AHEAD IN BLACKJACK
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I'll vouch for Ace on this. He told me about this play at the Bash and that it was from someone who had won 8 out of their last 10. Never did he claim it for his own.

Perhaps Ace told other people at the Bash and THEY were the ones that said "have you heard Ace's pick?".
 

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I could care less about this,my main problem with therx still has to do with the companies they choose to partner with, especially choosing to partner with books that have a criminal history just to make a buck. Horrible business ethics in my opinion.
 

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