sure it can if both bets are beating the closing line. The problem is people treat the 2nd bet as just a widely avaibile number and give back some of their edge of the 1st bet doing that. I can promise you 90% of the people that scalp or middle dont play back the 2nd number at a better then Pinny line. That is the key, both bets have too be +ev or you ever giving back profits.
Example: Pinnacle used to have great future bets
It was about 5 years ago and Detroit was playing the Lakers for the NBA championship, the series was tied 1-1 & I remember this because after my bet Intertops stopped taking my bets.
The Lakers after winning a few championships in a row were big favorites:
My bet was
Pinnacle: Detroit not in 5 -850 6800 to win 800
Intertops: Detroit in 5 +1500 500 to win 7500
Huge scalp but who really thought Detroit would sweep the next 3. Regardless I never would expose myself to a possible loss of $6800.
I expected to win 300 & instead won 700. If I took the lesser book only
though I would have won 7500, who in their right mind would lay 500 on
Detroit to win 3 straight against the Lakers. Not me.
Thank goodness for Neteller as that money was back in my Pinnacle account in a week!
What if Pinnacle came back and we couldn't deposit funds? Sounds stupid I know, but without a vehicle like Neteller I'm finding it harder and harder to fund all of the books I use. I thought my congressman Barney Franks was going to turn things around, but I guess not. Forget about the bail out Barnery, I need a bail out. Bring back Neteller!
So is the scalper suppose to take ev money somewhere else when he could get +105 at Pinny just because he is losing at Pinny ? Doesn't make a bit of sense to me. He is playing both sides no matter what so don't you want the best odds on both sides even if its Pinny. These plays are going to end up the same way the way he is scalping them, so why not lose less money if thats all your doing is scalping.
No he isnt suppose too play the other side, peorid, unless he can beat Pinny number ALSO by a dime!!
The point is he is suppose to just play the square/off number ONLY, which is a number that is 10 cents better then pinny, that is why it is scalpable. Doing that and doing that ONLY will make you way way more money in the longrun. Your right you dont need an opinion on the game but you have one cause of Pinny giving you the barometer too use.
I am not sure if you believe in this or have heard of this but this is 100% the lean. It's marketcapping 101 or the pinny lean. Pinny's number is razor sharp, no reason to play against if you dont have an opinon for a scalp. The pinny market caps the game for you and in the long run you will win.
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you mean 53% of the time each. That is the key. You dont beat Pinny 53% playinjg against there sharp number unless the number ends up moving back away from you later on, giving you BOTH GREAT NUMBERS. Beating both closing lines is the goal but most dont put any effort into the second line and just play at Pinny cause the price is best at the time.and that is why they lose there.
I realize you have a following here with your monthly Thread in the desert and all , but your so far off base here on what the poster above has tried to explain and what he is doing. Don't have the time to keep arguing with you on this particular scalper. Also Not going to argue with whats worked for me either, but I'll just say , keep doing what your doing and Gl. Now that I have relocated , I will be back on board with Pinny too. Don't have to report to the RX on every move I make either to reinforce what i do.
I will admit that I only partially understand what you are saying. Are you saying to scalp within Pinny (playing both sides at Pinny)? I have been told that books do not like when you do that.
What I am saying is that if all I am going to use Pinny for is scalping, and 50% of scalps hit at Pinny and 50% of scalps hit at some other book, I would be better off scalping than betting just the side at the other book.
Ice, one more thing.....
One of my friends investigated the Pinny lean over 1500 plays and found that the Pinny side only won between 50-51% of the time. This is a statistically significant sample and with over a 95% certainty from this random sample I can conclude that the Pinny lean does not cash 53% or more of the time. The size of the random sample also makes this conclusion around 99% certain.
Granted, what you have seen is probably a lot longer string of data, but from the sample and numbers I was given, there is no statistically significant proof in the Pinny lean. And from that sample I can say that with around 99% certainty
One of my friends investigated the Pinny lean over 1500 plays and found that the Pinny side only won between 50-51% of the time. This is a statistically significant sample and with over a 95% certainty from this random sample I can conclude that the Pinny lean does not cash 53% or more of the time. The size of the random sample also makes this conclusion around 99% certain.
Granted, what you have seen is probably a lot longer string of data, but from the sample and numbers I was given, there is no statistically significant proof in the Pinny lean. And from that sample I can say that with around 99% certainty
Let me dispel this myth that arbing with pinnacle is rarely good.
I just saw a play, and this happens plenty, an over under, half point difference, 3 minutes before game time, under was +101, over was -101.
I should add this was not steam. I'm total jealous of those outside the US.
I just saw a play, and this happens plenty, an over under, half point difference, 3 minutes before game time, under was +101, over was -101.
I should add this was not steam. I'm total jealous of those outside the US.
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wow, in a million years I never expected this kind of response from you over a disagreement. Stunning to say the least. All I said is he would make more money not scalping, didnt say scalping wouldnt be profitable. It just dumb to play back against the consensus line and expect to beat it when you already have the good bet in the bag on the other side.
I could go on and say some other things but I will just stop. Really surprised by this.
