For most Posters here its to complicated of a answer on why you need or want Pinny. You have to look at the overall picture , not how you do in 1 shop. Fact is if your playing systems of some kind , like I was with halftimes in every sport , and playing alot of games , that reduced juice I received their saved me alot of money over the long haul.
If your betting futures , they were certainly at the top of the list giving good odds and to be a successful Futures player, Pinny was a must. To many shops don't give you a fair shake on futures at all
If your betting futures , they were certainly at the top of the list giving good odds and to be a successful Futures player, Pinny was a must. To many shops don't give you a fair shake on futures at all
The funny thing is this thread again confirms the misconception that people middle and scalp the right way. You are cutting into to your profits with this and this is why people lose to Pinny all day long. They play back the sharp side at Pinny and over time lose money on that end. They would be MUCH BETTER off just staying heavy on 1 side of the game. Pinny gets so much buy back money at a sharp number and people cant beat that number over time. The barometer one should use when playing a middle is BOTH BETS better then Pinny's number by 10 cents at close.
Most of the time that means you took a play and sat on it. That isn't arbitrage or statistical arbitrage in the traditional sense. Taking 2 plays at the same time is...and it definitely helps to have the option of pinny for that imo. Many times arbs are only available against pinny. And it doesn't always mean the line is going to move the way pinny leans...in fact many times a line moves quite a bit one way and back the other. If it's obvious a line is moving one way then it usually is worth waiting a few minutes, but it isn't alway easy to tell or even a move....though that would probably end quickly if US players were allowed back in.
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He's not really making a play, He's scalping , If Pinny happens to be on the other end of things , why would you eliminate making one side of your scalp their. He doesn't know which way the event is going, so why would you eliminate the best odds on one side. He's just scalping , thats it !!
Okay but I would say if you are scalping against Pinny then the square play is always opposite Pinny. I promise you that you will make way way way more money in the longrun not making the Pinny bet, he even said he losses to them 70% of the time, which begs me to ask, why play the Pinny side?
Not coming down on him, just making a point. The whole scalping/middling thing drives me insane that people think this is the smart way too play. Just look at the math is all I am saying.
I have seen them do opposite type stuff also, like move too far but I dont think I would consider them ever slow. I have never beat them to a line move, ever.
There is a way too beat them that I have been doing succesfully for years. I am HUGE winner there lifetime. Not bragging but a lot of times they have the best line obviously so I make my play there with the whole hope the line moves later confirming my play.
