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Come on now!!! Are you comparing the UNited States to a bunch of third world shitholes? Or to ones around WWI and WWII

Trust me if the govt's wants to come after you, shooting back will only make it worse. Waco, anyone?

And since that video is so "fair and balanced" I would certainly like to see the counterargument and results from Australia


Hey...most Third World Countries have Black Presidents....how long before You Reach That Status...? (Stimulus..hahahah) lol......loved how you capitalized UN on United.....you been reading my posts too much...or was that a freudian slip? lolol
 
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If America starts going door to door confiscating guns it's for one reason only, to enslave the public. History has shown that.

Either way, look at the war on drugs. In 1972 when Richard Nixon started the war on drugs the federal budget allocation was $101M. Going into fiscal year 2001 the federal budget allocation was $20B. Yet there were more drugs in the country in 2001, they were better quality, and they were less expensive then they were in 1972.


Now why would the "war on guns" be any different. If guns were banned, they would be MUCH easier to get illegally. Hell, I could go into Detroit and come out with an automatic weapon that wasn't even manufactured in the United States if it meant THAT much to me. Guns will always be easy to obtain. All banning them does is create a haven for criminals to rape and loot innocents.

Preach On Brother....
 

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If America starts going door to door confiscating guns it's ..... .

You might as well pose, "If dogs were suddenly to begin walking on their hind legs and speaking English...", because it's an equally preposterous scenario
 

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back to back posts by themselves is usually a sign of loneliness

loren has like 8 consecutive posts here

loren let us know when you feel better pal
 

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That most of them would never allow their loved ones to take the treatment, because they know better...

Why keep playing the character?

You know darn well many people have great counterpoints against you, but you never acknowledge it.

You just keep coming.

A well rounded, educated, and reasonable person will always be open to discussion.

You are as lost as some of the people you argue against.
 
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That most of them would never allow their loved ones to take the treatment, because they know better...

Might be wasting my time here but I will try. There are different types of tumors (cancer) that arise from different cell types. Some respond very well to specific chemo protocols, some don´t. Some can be surgically removed, some can´t. The stage at which you start chemo will also determine your success, this is why early detection is so important. So it basically comes down to what type of cancer you have, how early it was diagnosed and how your body reacts to chemo.

Millions and millions of dollars are invested each year, you have the best scientists in the US doing cancer research in the best facilities available, I can guarantee you that you have no idea how complex this is. Chemo is getting better and better and it does work, not in every single case, but it is the best option you have.

You have absolutely no idea of what you´re talking about.
 

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Might be wasting my time here but I will try. There are different types of tumors (cancer) that arise from different cell types. Some respond very well to specific chemo protocols, some don´t. Some can be surgically removed, some can´t. The stage at which you start chemo will also determine your success, this is why early detection is so important. So it basically comes down to what type of cancer you have, how early it was diagnosed and how your body reacts to chemo.

Millions and millions of dollars are invested each year, you have the best scientists in the US doing cancer research in the best facilities available, I can guarantee you that you have no idea how complex this is. Chemo is getting better and better and it does work, not in every single case, but it is the best option you have.

You have absolutely no idea of what you´re talking about.

Ok....And Who invests those "millions of millions of dollars"....
 

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Goverment, investors, research companies, universities, hospitals, etc.

So?

Those and people like me and you...In Canada kids across the country do the "Terry Fox run"

Terry Fox - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Fox - the kid just started running, wanted to run across Canada and collect a dollar from each Canadian to donate for a cure...he didn't make it but pretty inspirational
 

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Goverment, investors, research companies, universities, hospitals, etc.

So?

So? lol........You going to play coy with me Mr Hercer...hehee...ok...

You can't be more specific than that? I want names, NGO's ie Non Governmental Organizations...etc...

What is percentage of survival does Chemo add to the average Cancer Patient?
 

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So? lol........You going to play coy with me Mr Hercer...hehee...ok...

You can't be more specific than that? I want names, NGO's ie Non Governmental Organizations...etc...

What is percentage of survival does Chemo add to the average Cancer Patient?

I can´t be more specific regarding the fund raising. Sorry. I can tell you a bit about research though.

Research is being done at hundreds of facilites across the US. NIH has a branch called NCI (National Cancer Institute) which is very very impressive. Many universities do their own research, through their Medical and Veterinary Schools. Many Hospitals do their own research. Private institutions (Labs, Hospitals, Clinics, etc) in the Health Industry do their own research.

Are you implying that all this data, generated at many institutions by thousands of scientists, can be manipulated to alter results?

You ask about survival rate, didn´t you read my post about why you can´t generalize about cancer?, there is no such thing as an average cancer patient because there is no such thing as an average type of cancer.
 

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I guess ignoring my last post tells the story Loren?

Either that or you feel in some way you are above me.

If that be the case, lets have it out. I bet I win.... :toast:
 

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I can´t be more specific regarding the fund raising. Sorry. I can tell you a bit about research though.

Research is being done at hundreds of facilites across the US. NIH has a branch called NCI (National Cancer Institute) which is very very impressive. Many universities do their own research, through their Medical and Veterinary Schools. Many Hospitals do their own research. Private institutions (Labs, Hospitals, Clinics, etc) in the Health Industry do their own research.

Are you implying that all this data, generated at many institutions by thousands of scientists, can be manipulated to alter results?

You ask about survival rate, didn´t you read my post about why you can´t generalize about cancer?, there is no such thing as an average cancer patient because there is no such thing as an average type of cancer.

LOL....normally I would have thrown you in the box for a time out for such insubordination, but I have instead chosen to make an example out of you...just in case anybody else has any foolish ideas about stepping out of line in one of my threads...

You are Profane...and clearly lack education as evidenced by your response...This is why it comes as no surprise to me that you could not "be more specific regarding the fund raising" As that is the most crucial element to understanding who is controlling The Medical Industry and their motivation behind their actions...

I specifically asked who "is investing those millions" for a reason...just to see if you had one iota of an understanding about influence....and clearly you do not...as evidence by your glaring endorsement of the National Cancer Institute...

Whom Do You Think Financed The Creation of this Rogue Organization? NGO's exist outside of the parameters of Government...and thus have no limit to their expenditure...Do You have the slightest clue the kind of influence an NGO has over these kinds of institutes....As they say Money Talks....

Congress established the NCI by the National Cancer Institute Act, August 5, 1937, as an independent research institute. Congress then made the NCI an operating division of the National Institutes of Health by the Public Health Service Act, July 1, 1944.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Cancer_Institute

John D. Rockefeller set out consciously and methodically to capture control
of American education and particularly of American medical education. The process began in 1901 with the creation of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Researchhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0912986190/foundatfortruthi
In 1937, the new federal legislation authorized the establishment of the National Cancer Institute under the National Institutes of Health, and, for the first time, the Public Health Service to make grants to outside researchers. The Rockefellers exercised significant control over the outcomes of these grants and research efforts through the foundations they established

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_depopu29.htm


Were the Rockefeller's intentions Altruistic? Or was there more...?

Ironically however, the very innovations that are making possible dramatic improvements in human well-being are also creating new problems which raise the spectre of an alarming and possibly catastrophic disaster to the biosphere we live in. And herein lies the dilemma that we all face. Let me illustrate. Improved public health, has caused the world's infant mortality rate to decline by 60 percent over the last 40 years. In the same period, the world's average life expectancy has increased from 46 years in 1950s to 63 years today. This is a development which as individuals we can only applaud. However the result of these positive measures is that the world population that has risen during the same short period of time geometrically to almost 6 billion people, and can exceed easily 8 billion by the year 2020. The negative impact of population growth on all of our planetary eco-systems is becoming appallingly evident. The rapid growing exploitation of the world's supply of energy and water is a matter of deep concern. And the toxic by products of widespread industrialization and increased atmospheric pollution to dangerous levels. Unless nations will agree to work together to tackle these cross-border challenges posed by population growth over consumption of resources and environmental degradation, prospects for a decent life on our planet will be threatened.”

- David Rockefeller, UN Ambassador's Dinner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClqUcScwnn8

The Name Of the Game Is Depopulation....

And this is the organization you chose to deem as "Impressive"? LOL....

I'm a show you how "Impressive" they are....

Holding the National Cancer Institute Accountable for Cancer Deaths

http://www.burtongoldberg.com/natcancer.html


The NCI should be held accountable for 25 years of protracted, unrelieved opposition to genuine breakthroughs and for wasting $200 billion of taxpayer money on pharmaceutical drugs with little efficacy.

Almost from its inception, the National Cancer Institute has staunchly opposed alternative cancer treatments. A class action suit, now proposed, could change all that.

The NCI has consistently suppressed information about and scuttled reputable research on hydrazine sulfate, an anticancer agent that, for several years, was primarily responsible for extending Keeton's life. She wanted other Americans to have the right to choose hydrazine sulfate and she wanted them to join her in staging a class action suit against the U.S. government.

Kathy Keeton fought off what her doctors had called terminal Stage IV breast cancer with a life expectancy of a mere six weeks. Refusing chemotherapy and defying her doctors, she extended her life for another two years with a nontoxic substance-hydrazine sulfate-that cost only $3 a week.

After considerable research, Dr. Gold identified hydrazine sulfate as an experimental synthetic chemical capable of inhibiting the loss of protein or body mass caused by cancer and, thus, preventing extreme weight loss.

Early research supported Dr. Gold's supposition. A study of 740 cancer patients (200 with lung cancer, 138 with stomach cancer, 66 with breast cancer, 63 with Hodgkin's disease, and 31 with melanoma, among others) reported tumor stabilization or regression in about 51% of patients, while 46.6% of the patients reported symptomatic improvements, such as fewer respiratory problems, pain reduction, and a decrease in fever. Research at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center in Los Angeles, California, showed that hydrazine sulfate extended survival rates of lung cancer patients.

"The NCI failed to inform patients that the concomitant use of certain medications, tranquilizers, barbiturates, or alcohol during the test could deactivate the therapeutic action of hydrazine sulfate and induce morbidity and mortality in patients," Keeton told the Digest a few weeks before her death. Not only is this bad science, it is potentially criminal because some patients died as a result of their participation in the trials, she added. Following the debacle, the FDA withdrew its "had compassionate use" proviso which allowed physicians to oversee patients taking hydrazine sulfate.

"The NCI's the real culprit at the back of everything," Kathy Keeton stated. "We hope to force them to put up the money for human-based trials on hydrazine sulfate, not under their auspices, but through an independent body."

In the September issue of Penthouse (as well as the New York Times and Washington Post), in which a full-page ad announced his intention to sue the NCI, Guccione published an article, branding the war on cancer "the $200-Billion Scam." Jeff Kamen, author of the article, points out that while the U.S. government has spent $200 billion of American taxpayers' money in the last 25 years on its "war against cancer" and its supposed search for cancer cures, it also spends time and money attacking inexpensive alternatives, such as hydrazine sulfate, despite their proven efficacy.

The NCI's continuing hidden agenda to bury the real cancer cures, and to steadfastly oppose research into hydrazine sulfate, is "a Washington scandal of astonishing proportions," says Kamen. According to him, a Government Accounting Office investigation of sloppy science at the NCI regarding the hydrazine sulfate clinical trials ended up as a genial whitewash of the NCI methods and results.

The Digest applauds Keeton and Guccione for their boldness in initiating this suit against the NCI and for their progressive journalism concerning alternative cancer treatments. Without question, the NCI should be held accountable for any malfeasance in running clinical trials on a promising anticancer drug. But we think the stakes should be raised even higher.

The NCI should be held accountable for 25 years of protracted, unrelieved opposition to genuine breakthroughs in nontoxic cancer treatments and for wasting $200 billion of taxpayer money on pharmaceutical drugs with little efficacy. It's not just public money wasted. How many lives lost to cancer could have been saved if using alternative cancer approaches had not been virtually a criminal act for the last 50 years?

Serious, probing questions should be publicly raised and debated as to why this extravagantly futile research budget should be extended into the future. If 25 years and $200 billion yielded almost nothing of benefit to cancer patients, why not discontinue the effort today?

The Digest agrees with Kathy Keeton that every cancer patient on the planet should have the same chance as she did to use alternative treatments. Hydrazine sulfate gave her two years when her doctors said she would die in six weeks. But we think every cancer patient should have access to all cancer therapies that are nontoxic, nonharmful, and have strong clinical support for their effectiveness.

Mounting a crusade to validate a single nontoxic anticancer substance is laudable and it may bring to light much about the NCI's reprehensible actions against the health of the American public. But we also point out that no single substance, no matter how natural, nontoxic, or well-researched, will ever be a magic bullet for everyone or, probably, even for many people.

Cancer is an exceedingly complex disease, compounded by layers of dysfunction, toxicity, and immune compromise. It is also strikingly individualized, with no two patients having the same medical history. Many factors combine to create a cancer and many modalities and substances must be used synergistically to reverse it, dependably and permanently. This is the larger medical view that we hope will emerge and prevail in the wake of Guccione's lawsuit against the NCI.

staging: in cancer terminology is a relative index of how much cancer exists in the body, its size, location, and containment or metastasis.
Stage I, the earliest, most curable stage, shows only local tumor involvement.
Stage II indicates some spreading of cancer to the surrounding tissues and perhaps to nearby lymph nodes. Stage III involves metastasis to distant lymph nodes.
Stage IV, the most advanced and least easily cured, means the cancer has spread to distant organs.
 

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75% OF THE PHYSICIANS REFUSES CHEMOTHERAPY THEMSELVES


http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/2-physicians-refuse-chemo.html

The great lack of trust is evident even amongst doctors. Polls and questionnaires show that three doctors out of four (75 per cent) would refuse any chemotherapy because of its ineffectiveness against the disease and its devastating effects on the entire human organism. This is what many doctors and scientists have to say about chemotherapy:

“The majority of the cancer patients in this country die because of chemotherapy, which does not cure breast, colon or lung cancer. This has been documented for over a decade and nevertheless doctors still utilize chemotherapy to fight these tumors.”
(Allen Levin, MD, UCSF, “The Healing of Cancer”, Marcus Books, 1990).


“If I were to contract cancer, I would never turn to a certain standard for the therapy of this disease. Cancer patients who stay away from these centers have some chance to make it.” (Prof. Gorge Mathe, “Scientific Medicine Stymied”, Medicines Nouvelles, Paris, 1989)


Dr. Hardin Jones, lecturer at the University of California, after having analyzed for many decades statistics on cancer survival, has come to this conclusion: ‘… when not treated, the patients do not get worse or they even get better’. The unsettling conclusions of Dr. Jones have never been refuted”. (Walter Last, “The Ecologist”, Vol. 28, no. 2, March-April 1998)


“Many oncologists recommend chemotherapy for almost any type of cancer, with a faith that is unshaken by the almost constant failures”.(Albert Braverman, MD, “Medical Oncology in the 90s”, Lancet, 1991, Vol. 337, p. 901)


“Our most efficacious regimens are loaded with risks, side effects and practical problems; and after all the patients we have treated have paid the toll, only a miniscule percentage of them is paid off with an ephemeral period of tumoral regression and generally a partial one” (Edward G. Griffin “World Without Cancer”, American Media Publications, 1996)


“After all, and for the overwhelming majority of the cases, there is no proof whatsoever that chemotherapy prolongs survival expectations. And this is the great lie about this therapy, that there is a correlation between the reduction of cancer and the extension of the life of the patient”. (Philip Day, “Cancer: Why we’re still dying to know the truth”, Credence Publications, 2000)


“Several full-time scientists at the McGill Cancer Center sent to 118 doctors, all experts on lung cancer, a questionnaire to determine the level of trust they had in the therapies they were applying; they were asked to imagine that they themselves had contracted the disease and which of the six current experimental therapies they would choose. 79 doctors answered, 64 of them said that they would not consent to undergo any treatment containing cis-platinum – one of the common chemotherapy drugs they used – while 58 out of 79 believed that all the experimental therapies above were not accepted because of the ineffectiveness and the elevated level of toxicity of chemotherapy.” (Philip Day, “Cancer: Why we’re still dying to know the truth”, Credence Publications, 2000)


“Doctor Ulrich Able, a German epidemiologist of the Heidelberg Mannheim Tumor Clinic, has exhaustively analyzed and reviewed all the main studies and clinical experiments ever performed on chemotherapy .... Able discovered that the comprehensive world rate of positive outcomes because of chemotherapy was frightening, because, simply, nowhere was scientific evidence available demonstrating that chemotherapy is able to ‘prolong in any appreciable way the life of patients affected by the most common type of organ cancer.’ Able highlights that rarely can chemotherapy improve the quality of life, and he describes it as a scientific squalor while maintaining that at least 80 per cent of chemotherapy administered in the world is worthless. Even if there is no scientific proof whatsoever that chemotherapy works, neither doctors nor patients are prepared to give it up (Lancet, Aug. 10, 1991).

None of the main media has ever mentioned this exhaustive study: it has been completely buried” (Tim O’Shea, “Chemotherapy – An Unproven Procedure”)


“According to medical associations, the notorious and dangerous side effects of drugs have become the fourth main cause of death after infarction, cancer, and apoplexy” ( Journal of the American Medical Association, April 15, 1998)


Also see: Chemo destroys brain cells
 

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Fuck ER and Grey's Anatomy... - Loren78

Chemotherapy Programs: Unacceptable and Ineffective

When the cure is worse than the sickness

http://www.douglassreport.com/dailydose/dd...dd20020830.html


To understand the utter hypocrisy of chemotherapy, consider the following:

The McGill Cancer Center in Canada, one of the largest and most prestigious cancer treatment centers in the world, did a study of oncologists to determine how they would respond to a diagnosis of cancer. On the confidential questionnaire, 58 out of 64 doctors said that all chemotherapy programs were unacceptable to them and their family members. The overriding reason for this decision was that the drugs are ineffective and have an unacceptable degree of toxicity. These are the same doctors who will tell you that their chemotherapy treatments will shrink your tumor and prolong your life!

Thirty years ago, I worked with a radiologist who told me this: "If I get cancer, I'm going to Mexico." So if you get cancer, don't call your doctor; call your travel agent.

There are alternative treatments available, but you will have to run the gamut of outraged chemotherapists, radiologists, and surgeons to find one. They will use cajolery, insults, fear, threats ("If you do this, I am off the case"), and misrepresentation to dissuade you.

Two excellent clinics offering alternative treatments are the following:

Burton Clinic
P.O. Box 42689
Freeport, Grand Bahama Island
Tel. (242)352-7455
Fax (242)352-3201
www.iatclinic.com

Burzynski Clinic
9432 Old Katy Rd.
Houston, TX 77055
Tel. (713)335-5697
Fax (713)335-5699
www.cancermed.com

Also, doctors affiliated with The American College for Advancement in Medicine may be able to provide a promising therapy called photochemotherapy-in which a small portion (a glassful) of blood is withdrawn from the patient's vein, exposed to ultraviolet light and then injected back into the patient's body.

Read Questioning Chemotherapy, by Ralph Moss, Equinox Press. (I've seen it on Amazon.com for less than 15 bucks). This book is a must for all concerned about this medical scandal - a chamber of horrors that doctors don't want to talk about.
 

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