West Coast/Pac-10 Week 02

[SantaBarbaraTrojan]

Tennessee doesn't need to score many points to win the game when UCLA will score very few to none.

I'll take a Lane Kiffen/Monty Kiffen coached team at home over a Neuheisel/Chow/Bullough coached team playing on the road any day of the week.

Chow is a very good OC, but if you don't have an OL worth a damn, there isn't much you can accomplish.

I do think UCLA will notice a difference between DeWayne Walker last year and Chuck Bullough this year calling the defense.

 

[ElTaino]

Tennessee doesn't need to score many points to win the game when UCLA will score very few to none.

I'll take a Lane Kiffen/Monty Kiffen coached team at home over a Neuheisel/Chow/Bullough coached team playing on the road any day of the week.

Chow is a very good OC, but if you don't have an OL worth a damn, there isn't much you can accomplish.

I do think UCLA will notice a difference between DeWayne Walker last year and Chuck Bullough this year calling the defense.

i personally dont see a very wide gap in the coaching staffs, and as far as tennessee scoring points.... the ucla defense is better and faster than last year. i wouldnt be suprized to see a 6-3 type score going into half time.

 

[Conan]

unlv has a very accurate passer who was 13-17 for 213 last week. they also have the all-time unlv receptions leader lining up a WR. he runs great routes and has great hands. if unlv shows up to play, i just dont see either side stopping the other and the game decided by TO's late in 3rd, early fourth.

El Taino, there is something that needs to be mentioned since you brought up UNLV's QB. It's about the game of keep away, ball control and TOP. When the Beaver game is on, they run the ball very effectively and mix in some passes to keep the LB's from stacking the box. Very effective ball control and good keep away too. They will beat their opponents with a superior rushing game. When a team successfully exhibits that part of their game and wins that war in the trenches, they will reliably end up on the long end of the stick.

One last point... The Beavers have 2 excellent DE's, Kevin Frahm and Gabe Miller, who will once again put a lot of heat on opposing QB's all year, especially in passing situations. (Frahm is a beast with his speed and technique.) The rest of the time they have LB's to keep things in front of them, even if their DL may need some polishing yet behind kingpin DL Stephen Paea (probably the strongest player in all CFB... benches 720 lb.) Tim Clark and James Dockery seem to be handling their mano e mano assignments at CB which when adequately done, makes the Beaver passing D function. I'm still uncertain about their safety solution though. However as I was mentioning OSU's LB's, Keaton Kirstick stands a good chance of making all-America this season at LB. He may be the best LB in the Pac-10. I'm not sure if the Rebels have anyone comparable to Frahm, Paea and Kirstick.

 

[Conan]

i personally dont see a very wide gap in the coaching staffs, and as far as tennessee scoring points.... the ucla defense is better and faster than last year. i wouldnt be suprized to see a 6-3 type score going into half time.

There's a very good idea in there. I think I'd really go for something like a 1H total score under 24. Maybe it will be looser than that. It's definitely a wait and see.

I'm very curious about a game total too. Kinda leery of it though just because both offenses put out LW but I don't see either team scoring 30 pts. here, nope. UCLA probably won't get to 20.

But then again TO's here are entirely possible and that sort of thing can blow away a lot of right wagers. I would add 7 points to UT''s score or take 7 away from UCLA because I think Prince is going to be picked at least once, maybe twice in this game. But then again, Rahim Moore might pick a couple off himself.

 

[Conan]

WSU+2/Hawaii @ Qwest Field in Seattle

Let me add one more comment on the WSU pick. You can just forget completely about any notions you may still have about Hawaii's offense being anything like a Tommy Chong offense. They are virtually inept half of the time. On top of that, WSU's punter is VERY experienced. LOL. But seriously, he's good for 40 yds a pop reliably and he doesn't get blocked. So throw in a long field for the Bows and that will definitely cut down on the points. At least it gives WSU's D a chance to regroup even if they do allow some 1st downs. The UNDER here is also a wager to take a good look at when the totals are posted. Anything like 48+ and I'm on it in a hot second.

 

[isellgel]

Tennessee doesn't need to score many points to win the game when UCLA will score very few to none.

I'll take a Lane Kiffen/Monty Kiffen coached team at home over a Neuheisel/Chow/Bullough coached team playing on the road any day of the week.

Chow is a very good OC, but if you don't have an OL worth a damn, there isn't much you can accomplish.

I do think UCLA will notice a difference between DeWayne Walker last year and Chuck Bullough this year calling the defense.

hno:
Typical trojan, re-read your post... your saying you prefer the sc protege whose father is Carroll's good friend. uhhh no kidding, why would you be impartial?
Of course you dislike Chow, you haven't won a title without him... Neuheisel, I can already imagine your dislike after he stole 3 top recruits this year from sc and has said UCLA is coming after the trojans.

check out what team was called the biggest under achievers by one of America's finest sports reporter ( its on SCOTT WOLF'S BLOG ) Mike Lupica today.
then you add that UCLA will see a drop off with Bullough, how do you know that? do your homework, check out Bullough's pedigree and his father's.
Dumb trojan, bring something useful to the forum not this crap.

 

[ElTaino]

There's a very good idea in there. I think I'd really go for something like a 1H total score under 24. Maybe it will be looser than that. It's definitely a wait and see.

I'm very curious about a game total too. Kinda leery of it though just because both offenses put out LW but I don't see either team scoring 30 pts. here, nope. UCLA probably won't get to 20.

But then again TO's here are entirely possible and that sort of thing can blow away a lot of right wagers. I would add 7 points to UT''s score or take 7 away from UCLA because I think Prince is going to be picked at least once, maybe twice in this game. But then again, Rahim Moore might pick a couple off himself.

something i also want to bring up is that i think neuheisel learned his lesson last season watching craft throw 4 first half picks. i can see a lot of running plays from the ucla side and with a suspect OL maybe a lot of punts. from the tennessee side i think it may only take 1 TO or early pick to make kiffen slow his roll and try to pound it out on the ground for the remainder of the 1st half

 

[Thepokermanifesto]

It also seems that the swine flu gig died down, and the fans will be Coogin it early with the daybuzzin, I like your numbers and the pick of the Cougs! Pac 10 D vs. New Wac Offense. :toast:

 

[Conan]

Just curious. Would it be 5dimes that will post odds on Cal and EWU this weekend? The Bears are going to score 50 points and the Eagles will be lucky to get 10. Riley looked pretty good. Maybe it was Nate Longshore hanging around that infected him last season?

 

[leisure]

hno:
Typical trojan, re-read your post... your saying you prefer the sc protege whose father is Carroll's good friend. uhhh no kidding, why would you be impartial?
Of course you dislike Chow, you haven't won a title without him... Neuheisel, I can already imagine your dislike after he stole 3 top recruits this year from sc and has said UCLA is coming after the trojans.

check out what team was called the biggest under achievers by one of America's finest sports reporter ( its on SCOTT WOLF'S BLOG ) Mike Lupica today.
then you add that UCLA will see a drop off with Bullough, how do you know that? do your homework, check out Bullough's pedigree and his father's.
Dumb trojan, bring something useful to the forum not this crap.

Conan is busy sending more money to Hilda in Peru so she can fund 5D for him so he can throw another load on USC -7 ...

You lost all cred when you posted this

"by one of America's finest sports reporter Mike Lupica today."

 

[Incubus]

hno:
Typical trojan, re-read your post... your saying you prefer the sc protege whose father is Carroll's good friend. uhhh no kidding, why would you be impartial?
Of course you dislike Chow, you haven't won a title without him... Neuheisel, I can already imagine your dislike after he stole 3 top recruits this year from sc and has said UCLA is coming after the trojans.

check out what team was called the biggest under achievers by one of America's finest sports reporter ( its on SCOTT WOLF'S BLOG ) Mike Lupica today.
then you add that UCLA will see a drop off with Bullough, how do you know that? do your homework, check out Bullough's pedigree and his father's.
Dumb trojan, bring something useful to the forum not this crap.

By the tone of your reply throughout to this individual, you certainly come off as a staunch UCLA supportor. If that's the case, when was the last time UCLA won the National Championship in football?

I agree that Neuheisel is a master recruiter and will eventually close the gap between his team and USC. I just don't think this is the year. He's in year #2, and he still needs to get HIS recruits on the field.

You also fail to realize that former Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensive coordinator guru Monte Kiffin joined his son Lane at Tennessee. BIG advantage for the Vols. Monte will come up with some schemes that will certainly mess up UCLA.

I'm really hoping this line gets pushed down to the Vols -7.5 so I can buy the hook and get it at -7. I'll be all over that one if so. I really can't see UCLA doing much in that hostile environment. And it will be hostile.

Remember when UCLA traveled to BYU last season? @)

 

[SantaBarbaraTrojan]

hno:
Typical trojan, re-read your post... your saying you prefer the sc protege whose father is Carroll's good friend. uhhh no kidding, why would you be impartial?
Of course you dislike Chow, you haven't won a title without him... Neuheisel, I can already imagine your dislike after he stole 3 top recruits this year from sc and has said UCLA is coming after the trojans.

check out what team was called the biggest under achievers by one of America's finest sports reporter ( its on SCOTT WOLF'S BLOG ) Mike Lupica today.
then you add that UCLA will see a drop off with Bullough, how do you know that? do your homework, check out Bullough's pedigree and his father's.
Dumb trojan, bring something useful to the forum not this crap.

Talk about putting crap on the board, you have said nothing, shared nothing about the game to the board. Quite frankly, I have always liked Norm Chow and was sorry to see him leave USC. On the other hand, I never cared much for Lane Kiffen and always considered him an arrogrant prick.

As far as stealing 3 recruits? Um, OK that happens and if you look back over the last 5 years, you will find SC taking more of UCLA's recruits than the other way around, so who cares? It happens.

Now then DF, take your own advise, re-read your own post and next time you can add something to the board without the personal attacks, as your post was nothing but a personal attack. While your at it, re-read my post as it does say I would take the Tennessee coaches at home over the UCLA coaches on the road.

GFY.

 

[Cappin'Guru]

A pleasure hearing from you Cappin' Guru. Hope you don't mind the rancid attacks when I talk about Tennessee fans. They are mainly directed at just one or two buttheads. UBOK by me.

No disrespect at all for Eric Berry, but maybe UCLA does have an answer for him too. You probably haven't seen this yet:

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UCLA's Moore national defensive player of the week

September 6, 2009 7:32 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's Ted Miller

UCLA's sophomore free safety Rahim Moore has been named National Defensive Player of the Week by the Walter Camp Football Foundation.

Moore grabbed three interceptions against San Diego State and tied the school record shared by Ron Carver, Craig Rutledge and Darryl Henley.

He also is one of four nominees for the AT&T All-America Player of the Week award, along with Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen, Missouri quarterback Blaine Gabbert and Baylor linebacker Joe Pawelek.

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I do give you this, Moore is not established as Berry is but the difference between UCLA's defense and UT's defense on account of Eric Berry isn't as disparaging as it may seem.

BOL

We can go on about Moore's accolades when he does it week in and week out like Mr. Berry. As for his accomplishments against SDSU. Very, very impressive.

Ah yes, you have been ruthless on some Tennessee Vol fans but I am usually out of the norm of your "typical Volunteer fan."

Mr. Moore will see some speed on the offensive ball for Tennessee that he did not see in practice and most certainly not against SDSU. (Hell, I have not seen speed on Tennessee offense that was effective in a long time.)

It's still a no play until I get Jack in me at 11:00am and decide my boys in orange are going to come to play!

Lane and Company have their first big test. I think I just like the thought of being on the Vol side as I am sitting with 104,000+ others cheering on the Vols.

We will see though. Be easy on the UT fans, will ya?

BTW - I'll be following you for the rest of the year in the Pac 10. Cali and USC should be an incredible game!

Cappin' Guru

 

[Conan]

Conan is busy sending more money to Hilda in Peru so she can fund 5D for him so he can throw another load on USC -7 ...

You lost all cred when you posted this

"by one of America's finest sports reporter Mike Lupica today."

heh heh heh very funny

I think I shot a pretty nice wad already laying 5 and 5½ last night at the Greek and bookmaker.

I like 5Dimes for other crap and sometimes a better ML or whatever. Tell Hilda hello for me and tell her I'll be shooting her whatever her cashier and WU will allow.

 

[Conan]

We can go on about Moore's accolades when he does it week in and week out like Mr. Berry. As for his accomplishments against SDSU. Very, very impressive.

Oh no doubt. I was only pointing out that UCLA does have an answer to Berry, albeit a squeaky young voice that hasn't changed yet. They also have a Sr. all-American CB named Alterraun Verner who you will see playing in this game and on Sundays. But UCLA is still mainly just a very young bunch.

Ah yes, you have been ruthless on some Tennessee Vol fans but I am usually out of the norm of your "typical Volunteer fan."

You must know something about the "typical volunteer fan" that I don't. :smoker2:

BTW - I'll be following you for the rest of the year in the Pac 10. Cali and USC should be an incredible game!

Cappin' Guru

USC -3, and watch Cal bettors pound this line. I don't know if you saw their game vs Maryland last Saturday but it was a total whuppin they put on the Terps. I could have guessed it would be that. I think Jahvid Best broke off only 2 for over 50 yards. He didn't need to do more because Kevin Riley put up 300 yards in the air and he was in complete control all game long.

PS.... I hope you don't forget about Ducks. He's pretty sharp. 3/4 of the time we agree. He'll suck it up soon enough and keep right on going with a good 60%+ year. He started out 5-2 himself.

 

[SantaBarbaraTrojan]

Update on O'Dowd and Spicer

Kristofer O'Dowd was on the field for Monday's no pads practice. Although afterward, head coach Pete Carroll said, "The offensive line played great (against San Jose State) and we're not just going to throw him (O'Dowd) out there to do it.".
Averell Spicer also practice on Monday, and Carroll said he looked great.

 

[SantaBarbaraTrojan]

Vegas Insider, OSU-USC notes

Just picked this up from Vegas Insider.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/story.cfm/story/898957

All eyes will be on Columbus this Saturday Night, as round two between the Buckeyes and Trojans takes place from the "Horseshoe." Most don't believe Ohio State has a shot to beat USC and after watching Jim Tressel's squad last week against Navy. The Buckeyes barely squeaked away with a 31-27 victory over the Midshipmen and while the offense (6 scores) was consistent, it was the defense that has concerns. The unit gave up 342 total yards, plus they allowed Navy to convert 8-of-12 third down conversions. The Navy triple-option attack is hard to prepare for, but OSU better shape up this week when it faces a USC attack that just rang up 342 yards on the ground in its 56-3 win over San Jose State last week. RB Joe McKnight led the charge with 145 yards and two scores, which helped take some pressure off freshman QB Matt Barkley (15-of-19, 233 yards, 1 TD). The Spartans' offense wasn't a true test for USC, but Pete Carroll's defense only gave up 121 total yards and they posted a 1-of-16 performance on third downs.

USC opened up as a 6 ½-point road favorite, a role that Carroll (22-18 ATS) and his troops are very familiar with. Being a home underdog isn't something Ohio State is used too, especially under Tressel (1-2 SU, 1-2 ATS). OSU owns a 55-8 record at home under JT and only two of those losses (12, 11) have come by double digits. The Buckeyes are 0-4 SU and 1-3 ATS in their last four games as an underdog, which includes last year's 35-3 blowout loss to USC. The Trojans controlled the line of scrimmage and the turnover battle (3-1) as well. The only bright spot in the setback was the play of then freshman Terrelle Pryor, who went 7-of-9 for 52 yards and also racked up 40 yards on the ground. If there is a conference that USC owns, then it's the Big 10. The Trojans have won and covered nine straight, and all of the victories have come by double digits. If USC does capture the road win here, it does face a possible pitfall next week on the road against Washington and former Trojan coordinator Steve Sarkisian.

 

[Conan]

Hey, about the last part of that post...

I promise you Sarkisian will be a biatch for Carrol's Trojans to handle. I don't think you will see quite the same blast out of the blocks like you saw vs LSU, but Locker will move the ball uncomfortably too well vs. the Trojans at times. I also think USC's OL will have a somewhat harder time opening holes for their running backs than what SJSU was unable to do much about, until they are worn down to a nub. But I also think Barkley will handle his offense with a steady hand and he will keep the ball moving with a lot of accuracy in his throws when called upon. I am wondering if he can be stopped, or what a bad game would look like for him. Not that I'm especially looking forward to it, but someone's gotta have a way to beat him, no? Cal? Yes? No?

That's what I like about this game.


PS... O'Dowd, O'Shmowd -- would it make much if any difference?

 

[SoonerBS]

Just curious. Would it be 5dimes that will post odds on Cal and EWU this weekend? The Bears are going to score 50 points and the Eagles will be lucky to get 10. Riley looked pretty good. Maybe it was Nate Longshore hanging around that infected him last season?

Yes, Conan, 5DIMES will have it, but sometimes it is not out until Thursday of the week . . . . . .

 

[SantaBarbaraTrojan]

Hey, about the last part of that post...

I promise you Sarkisian will be a biatch for Carrol's Trojans to handle. I don't think you will see quite the same blast out of the blocks like you saw vs LSU, but Locker will move the ball uncomfortably too well vs. the Trojans at times. I also think USC's OL will have a somewhat harder time opening holes for their running backs than what SJSU was unable to do much about, until they are worn down to a nub. But I also think Barkley will handle his offense with a steady hand and he will keep the ball moving with a lot of accuracy in his throws when called upon. I am wondering if he can be stopped, or what a bad game would look like for him. Not that I'm especially looking forward to it, but someone's gotta have a way to beat him, no? Cal? Yes? No?

That's what I like about this game.


PS... O'Dowd, O'Shmowd -- would it make much if any difference?

Well, if anyone knows the USC playbook as well as USC, it would be Sark and Holt. Also, Locker has been a big pain in the ass for SC in the two games he has played against them and coming close to beating them both times.

I also think that SC has too much depth at running back, OL, DL and DB's for UW to hang with them the entire game, as you say, "worn down to a nub".

I don't see Ohio State matching up very well with the Trojans and I don't see ND doing all that much either. But after seeing Riley get a nice warm up vs. Maryland with a comanding performance(unexpected for me at least) and having a pretty good OL for himself, this is going to be one hell of a game.

O'Dowd may or may not play this Saturday and I get the feeling Pete Carroll isn't losing any sleep over it. Losing Armond Armstead at WDE and Ronald Johnson at WR are tougher players to replace than O'Dowd, believe it or not. Armstead (broken foot) should be back for ND and even though no one knows who he is (yet), he is every bit as good as Everson Griffen. Johnson is lost for 6-8 weeks.