I did not hear you say that the first three weeks of the season. You talk LB's and you blame the talent and give Mike Stoops a pass, really. You can nit pick just about any player in the country and find a fault or two. You seem to be forgetting that players choose teams. Recruiting is a multi-faceted business so to speak but the key is to fill your needs. Texas has been without a difference maker at QB for quite a while. Again, two losses by 5 points and you are blaming recruiting. Look at S. Carolina they recruit well. It is the asst coaches. If Mike Stoops ability to coach rests solely on exceptional talent then it is all on him. Again Heupel sucks and Mike Stoops has been losing it for years. We recruited the best RB in the country last year to no avail. OU still gets plenty of atttention. Keeping players out of trouble and eligible is half the battle anymore. You have to recruit some class and character and players with potential who fit your system.
Mizzou and Texas A&M shocked everyone the way they entered the SEC. Shrooms may be your thing but not mine. I deal with reality. Everyone (probably including you) thought they would be the lap dogs right off the bat and they introduced wide open offenses to the SEC. The SEC is adapting (look at how Alabama is improving since that loss to Oklahoma - were shrooms involved in that one too lol). As for Pelini he is holding his own despite all his haters. QB's are the key in the college game today. Defenses used to dominiate but now they face the spread. How many teams went after Bryce Petty (Texas???). Recruiting is part of the equation but the equation has evolved in the past few years. Who could Oklahoma get that could do what Stoops has done? OU's talent level was not even a topic of discussion until they lost to TCU. Now everyone is pointing fingers. I give Stoops a thumbs up in every dept except for his OC and his DC. If you know anything about Stoops you know he is loyal to a fault.
Regarding OU recruiting let's separate fact from opinion. OU ranked in the top 15 in recruiting in 2011, 2012, 2013. What's wrong with that.
In 2011 Texas ranked #3 and 2012 ranked #2. Florida ranked #12 in 2011, #3 in 2012, and #3 in 2013. Michigan ranked #7 in 2012 and #7 in 7 in 2013.
I repeat OU lost 2 games by a total of 5 points and one of those should have been a win. It is not 4th down yet, no need to punt for sure. Blaming the recruiting is off target. Could they have done better, maybe. But Stoops's record at OU is hard to beat and anyone who has seen Mike Stoops lose it on the sidelines would be very reluctant to play for him. Bob has got him under control more or less in that regard but Mike has not had his teams ready the past two games. Heupel simply sucks. Many people thought OU was better than they are because of the bowl win over Alabama, a game in which Alabama dominated the stats. If Stoops does not change at least one of his coordinators following this season then it is on him as a coach not as a recruiter. He has done just fine in that department and the recruiting rankings back that up.
In 2011 Texas ranked #3 and 2012 ranked #2. Florida ranked #12 in 2011, #3 in 2012, and #3 in 2013. Michigan ranked #7 in 2012 and #7 in 7 in 2013.
I repeat OU lost 2 games by a total of 5 points and one of those should have been a win. It is not 4th down yet, no need to punt for sure. Blaming the recruiting is off target. Could they have done better, maybe. But Stoops's record at OU is hard to beat and anyone who has seen Mike Stoops lose it on the sidelines would be very reluctant to play for him. Bob has got him under control more or less in that regard but Mike has not had his teams ready the past two games. Heupel simply sucks. Many people thought OU was better than they are because of the bowl win over Alabama, a game in which Alabama dominated the stats. If Stoops does not change at least one of his coordinators following this season then it is on him as a coach not as a recruiter. He has done just fine in that department and the recruiting rankings back that up.
Russ, I don't know what it takes to convince you that recruiting makes a huge difference. But I'll say this one more time and drop this subject for good. There is a big difference between being a top 10 recruiting program and not being a top 10 recruiting program. Almost every single team who has won the national championship in the last decade have had a top 10 recruiting class for at least 2 years prior to and leading up to winning the national championship. The only exception to that was Auburn, who came in at 11th, and OU way back in 2001. But that was a much different era of football than we're playing in now. But luckily for Auburn that year, they got to play an Oregon team for the title who wasn't a top 10 recruiting program. Now we can talk about bad coaching and this coach or that coach has to go. But I didn't hear you complaining about Stoops after we beat Bama last year. The fact is OU had a more complete team at the end of last year than they do now. They had more playmakers on offense. And they had players like Corey Nelson and Frank Shannon at linebackers and Aaron Colvin in the secondary. Those are pretty special players that would have been big difference makers this year. Stoops hasn't been able to replace those players with equal talent or experience. This is the big reason why I didn't like OU if they were to somehow get through this conference and make the playoff. There are too many other teams out there with more talent. The Sooners have missed out on the blue chip talent that would have given them a top 10 class each year because teams like Texas A&M has taken a huge amount of their talent. And with the upcoming teams like TCU and Baylor, we are losing out on some more key talent on both sides of the ball. I keep a close watch on OU's recruiting. They have lost head to head for year after year to these schools. This past offseason we lost out to Baylor for their sensational WR Davion Hall. In any other year we would have got him. But he chose Baylor over OU because they are the hot team right now. These are the kinds of losses that makes OU a top 15 recruiting team instead of a top 10 team. Huge difference. But most people don't seem to think so. Which amazes me. Football games are won or lost before they even take the field. Do you think Jimbo Fisher is a better coach than Stoops? If you do I have some low level farmland in Florida I'll sell you. But FSU has a ton of talent. I mean a ton of it. Fisher has blueprinted his recruiting methods from Saban, and it's working. They are second only to Bama in talent. Which means they can lose half of their team to the NFL, suspend their star QB and still win games in their conference against their nearest competitors. OU can't do that. That's the difference between these two teams. It's talent man. If you don't want to believe it, that's fine. But it is a cold hard fact that you need to have it for the big picture of winning championships. That's why the SEC is winning championships and everybody else isn't.
A&M "middle of the road" this year??? Really? They will have a losing season in the SEC this year, hardly can call that middle of the road, unless Chrissie Hynde is doing the singing. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but JF wasn't even one of Sumlin's recruits if memory serves me. Watch, wait and learn, College Station gonna be in a whole lot of trouble over the horizon. Houston never had a D and you can't survive in the SEC w/o D.
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Okay...you even proved my point further (do you have reading comprehension issues?). I said, "Perception is not reality". To help you out: they are not as good as people think (read through the thread, there are posters saying that they have done VERY WELL since joining the SEC and if they were still in the Big 12 the Big 12 would be as good or better than the SEC). Did you not get that from my post? Or all you saw was "middle of the road"? So far, the season isn't over....
This is it, then I'm done with your stupid ass. BTW, ever play football??? Doubt it. A&Sham is 5-3 so far, guess where the 3 losses are? And they're not done, I see two more minimum coming their way. I'd call Tennessee "middle of the road," I think they beat the Aggies. The Aggies are NOT middle of any road I've traveled, and trust me, I've traveled a lot of miles of road. You think by putting some name up there with "coach" in it that you're some damn expert??? Christ, I'd run circles around you every day....and you'd still be dizzy when the dust settled.
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The purpose of this forum and my threads is to share information not to argue for the sake of arguing. Everyone on here knows and respects Coach. You seem to want to spend more time talking about the fact that you may or may not have played football. You are a joke. I am in a hall of fame for a sport so back at you. So what big deal. All that matters is sharing info and beating the man. Your or my life experiences are just that and no more. Anyone who calls coach a dumbass has shown his in the process. Everyone has opinions but you don't have to have played football in order to handicap it. If you believe that one then you are the dumbass. Grow up dude. Did you have any concussions LOL that would explain everything.
I thought I would track a few coaching changes and see how those changes have affected the teams involved.
Iowa St - Mark Mangino took over as OC this year. In 2013 The Cyclones averaged 363 ypg of total offense per game. This year they are averaging 364 ypg. In 2013 they averaged 24.8 ppg and this year they are averaging 27.4 ppg.
Florida – Kurt Roper came over from Duke where he had resurrected their offense. In 2013 Florida averaged 316.7 ypg of total offense and this year are at 368 ypg. In 2013 the Gators averaged 18.8 ppg and this year are up to 28.7 ppg. If you throw out their season opener against E. Mich which they won 65-0 they have been averaging 21.4 ppg since then.
Rutgers – Ralph Friedgen took over as OC this year. Last year Rutgers averaged 365.2 ypg total offense and their offensive scoring average was 26.5 ppg. This year they are at 415 ypg and 27.7 ppg.
Notre Dame – Mike Denbrock took over as OC this year but has been in the program since 2010 so there was no system change. Last year the Irish were without QB Golson. Last year they averaged 406 ypg in total offense and 27.2 ppg. This year they are averaging 447.6 ypg and 33.4 ppg.
Utah – Dave Christenson took over as OC and was the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] OC in HC Kyle Whittington’s tenure at Utah. In 2013 Utah averaged 396.6 ypg total offense and 29.2 ppg. In 2014 they are averaging 404.4 ypg and 37.8 ppg.
Still plenty of game left.
Iowa St - Mark Mangino took over as OC this year. In 2013 The Cyclones averaged 363 ypg of total offense per game. This year they are averaging 364 ypg. In 2013 they averaged 24.8 ppg and this year they are averaging 27.4 ppg.
Florida – Kurt Roper came over from Duke where he had resurrected their offense. In 2013 Florida averaged 316.7 ypg of total offense and this year are at 368 ypg. In 2013 the Gators averaged 18.8 ppg and this year are up to 28.7 ppg. If you throw out their season opener against E. Mich which they won 65-0 they have been averaging 21.4 ppg since then.
Rutgers – Ralph Friedgen took over as OC this year. Last year Rutgers averaged 365.2 ypg total offense and their offensive scoring average was 26.5 ppg. This year they are at 415 ypg and 27.7 ppg.
Notre Dame – Mike Denbrock took over as OC this year but has been in the program since 2010 so there was no system change. Last year the Irish were without QB Golson. Last year they averaged 406 ypg in total offense and 27.2 ppg. This year they are averaging 447.6 ypg and 33.4 ppg.
Utah – Dave Christenson took over as OC and was the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] OC in HC Kyle Whittington’s tenure at Utah. In 2013 Utah averaged 396.6 ypg total offense and 29.2 ppg. In 2014 they are averaging 404.4 ypg and 37.8 ppg.
Still plenty of game left.
The funniest line that I heard this past weekend, and it was totally unintentional. I was watching the Longhorn Network (because I had no choice) and after the game when one of their brilliant announcers were talking about the ISU offense, one of them said "as offensive coordinator Mark Mangino did a "whale" of a job in this game."
Again, GS, who I have the most respect for here, he knows the SW Conf, BiG 12, now the little 12 as much as anyone, notwithstanding, go fuck yourself. Yeah, I played, '79 through '81 seasons idiot. Big deal. What good intel have you posted to the board??? DAMN, this place is stupid!
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And btw, what Sport???
