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I agree , but i dont think that having a proven track record even makes a difference. ... is there any handicapper thats been in buisness for more than 10 years that gives a documented lifetime record ? ... the answer is no , and here's why.
if you tracked a handicapper for a complete year and he won 60% of his bets , that would be considered VERY good. .... but , if a capper has been in buisness for 10 years and had 6 winning years and 4 losing years people would crap all over him for losing 40% of the time. .. he he :think2:
That's not the point here.. no one is perfect and no one will win every single game.. with that being said I would much rather follow a service/capper who has a proven track record of winning..
Most of the people I know.. including myself.. base their profits on a week-to-week time frame.. some people on a month-to-month.. sometimes year-to-year.. very extremely rarely on a 10 year time frame.. atleast I haven't come across anyone that did.. most people will remember what a service/capper did for them in a weeks time frame.. up to a month..
But if your in it for the long haul.. like myself.. I surely wouldn't follow one service.. because then your dependant on them having a winning season.. find several cappers that work for you.. and go from there..
In no way am I trying to knock the Dr's.. but without a proven track record in a particular sport.. it's tough to fish out 5K for a monthly package.. even if it's split between 10-20 people.. BOL in the future!
Which of the Dr's is the better of them all? Maybe stick to him while trying to win back the losses? For me personally.. 13 plays in 2 days is alot.. I think it's from more then one Dr.. so you might be playing them all.. but that's why I would stick to the one who's better right now.. or better in baseball.. and go from there.. BOL!
I was willing to split a membership and post the plays for all to see once the games started. I had a feeling that these guys would expose themselves. I had no idea there would be a mutiny after day 2 though.
A month is a long time, but I know a lot of group members loaded up early.
Now they are gun shy.
They do not call it GAMBLING for nothing.
Good luck to th $5K group. I am certain your group is down much more than that after 2 days. You can get it back.
These guys are the GREATEST. That is what they said.
No, that was Ricky Henderson that said that.
Good luck and remember that this is a marathon and not a sprint. Just because you have blisters on all your toes and broken legs now does not mean you cannot win this race.
Hang in there.
You still have 28 days before they cut you off or ask for another $5,000.00.
I think you guys got hosed. I hope the guys who put this group together are better than that to donate $5,000.00 of all of you kids money to their Dr. friends.
I would hope someone would reply to that accusation.
I have been poking fun at the amount, but I was doing just that. $5K is totally over the top for paying upfront for a month with no guarantee and not track record other than Chuba saying that when he played them he won. I do not recall him stating that he bought plays.
Semantics, yes, but Chuba has a great rep around these parts.
Best of luck tonight.
I would hope someone would reply to that accusation.
I have been poking fun at the amount, but I was doing just that. $5K is totally over the top for paying upfront for a month with no guarantee and not track record other than Chuba saying that when he played them he won. I do not recall him stating that he bought plays.
Semantics, yes, but Chuba has a great rep around these parts.
Best of luck tonight.
So who are you calling out, Chuba or ActionBrett, with your friends accusation, Mr. 21 posts.
Back it up if you are going there. You brought it up, now tell the forum who you are calling the scammer.
I know neither of the two, but I would hope that you are wrong on this.
Please respond for the forum to see. Either you are a liar or one or both of them are thieves. Which is it?????:think2::think2::think2::think2::think2:
I'm starting to think that this group was a bad idea. I forget how many 'rookies' tend to roam around in these forums and some have managed to find their way in this group. This industry is very sensitive and there are a lot of services or individuals out there who are not truthful. I understand you should be cautious but I think some people thought this was guaranteed money and they should have known better. The chances of making money using money management are very high with these guys but not certain.
I have already had two guys ask for their money back after two nights and I had one guy complain because he only won .85 units going 2-1 on June 1st.
There was a comment made above saying that i know these guys. That comment is false and I don't know why he would say that. I know guys who know these guys and that's it. Pretty much all other comments made above are false.
For the person who made the comment about them not incorporating their juice into their records, this is also false. Here is an example of what they do. If one Dr would post a 12* on the Yanks at -200 and the Yanks lost he would add a Loss to his record and minus 24 units from his units won (12x -200 is 24) If he was to win that game he would give himself a win and add 12 units to his units won.
I also advised everyone to just play their 12*s as those are the only ones documented and their best plays, those went 2-1 on Monday and 1-4 Yesterday. The games they loss were SF (blew a 3 run lead in the 8th) Hockey Under (empty net goal with 50 secs left) Colorado ML (blew a save in the bottom of the 9th) and White Sox (who just simply got beat easily). NOW, im not saying those games should have been winners but we had some bad luck which happens all the time. Sometimes we will be on the right side of things too.
I see no sense in bashing these guys, myself or the people who paid money to get the plays. Just let it go and worry about handicapping your own games.
Some guys are also going to think i'm defending these guys and that it not true. Im just giving my expert side of things.
GL Tonight.
I have already had two guys ask for their money back after two nights and I had one guy complain because he only won .85 units going 2-1 on June 1st.
There was a comment made above saying that i know these guys. That comment is false and I don't know why he would say that. I know guys who know these guys and that's it. Pretty much all other comments made above are false.
For the person who made the comment about them not incorporating their juice into their records, this is also false. Here is an example of what they do. If one Dr would post a 12* on the Yanks at -200 and the Yanks lost he would add a Loss to his record and minus 24 units from his units won (12x -200 is 24) If he was to win that game he would give himself a win and add 12 units to his units won.
I also advised everyone to just play their 12*s as those are the only ones documented and their best plays, those went 2-1 on Monday and 1-4 Yesterday. The games they loss were SF (blew a 3 run lead in the 8th) Hockey Under (empty net goal with 50 secs left) Colorado ML (blew a save in the bottom of the 9th) and White Sox (who just simply got beat easily). NOW, im not saying those games should have been winners but we had some bad luck which happens all the time. Sometimes we will be on the right side of things too.
I see no sense in bashing these guys, myself or the people who paid money to get the plays. Just let it go and worry about handicapping your own games.
Some guys are also going to think i'm defending these guys and that it not true. Im just giving my expert side of things.
GL Tonight.
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wait a minute!! having an email relationship (cmon, in a non-gay way) is not exactly friends. buying picks for myself and the forum on a routine basis and giving back and forth comments is not exactly going out for an IPA.
damonjensen, who f**k are you to say i am friends with these guys. do you know me? the person i get the picks from, after i paypal them is their internet tech guy. i have had a business relationship and a chalk email talk with them, post game results. i am not distancing myself from them either. everytime i bought their plays and if it lost i was treated right...a return play. Calling me a scammer? let me ask this again....do i know you? i have never scammed anyone on this forum or anywhere on the internet for that matter....EVER.
i am 39, have a wife, two beautiful girls, a mortgage, and a successful business (ok 2) and that puts me at jeopardy to scam anyone. this alone makes me double think which cappers to follow and use as a capping tool. one of them is the dr(s) and it has been succesful in the past and hopefully in the future. some of you guys still dont get it, only as a group did we pay $5000...each of us is $240 into this. everyone who is in is a big boy or girl and can make their own decisions wether they wanted in or not. yes i think $5000 is a lot for anyone to pay but it, imo, is not if broken down evenly. i won most of the time when i bought them and i was given a return game and sometimes two when they lost. i dont really care to have a good reputation but i am not one to try to do anything that would give me a bad one.
people lose, all touts lose, all cappers lose. i regret getting this group together b/c of the hype that a high priced capper/tout causes when dealing with those that cannot or need to be taught how to manage their money. i regret not asking for background on everyone in the group to determine if they had the non-compulsion it takes to win in sports-betting. I regret ever making any hype when i won on their plays. i regret trying to help out. sometimes i regret sharing. it was not my intention to make it seem like you got "hosed".
if those of you who are going to act like your thong is two sizes too small b/c you had a losing night, my only advive is to stop. RZA, your fault not anybody elses. i did not tell you to join. i did not make you join. i only said if you want in then it's this amount. apparently, gambling is not you thing and compulsion might be. sorry for the jab but it is what it is. Say Hey Kid, dont know you, dont think we have done any business together. if you dont like touts/cappers or people who sell their picks in any form or fashion why do you "clown" around in the service thread?
i respect the people who make this forum possible and thank them for doing so.
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sorry action - you are right about this group being a bad idea, but you are dead wrong concerning their records. they do not factor in juice as i will now illustrate.
1.) last night guru started the night at +618 units. he lost on the giants at -144 but today he has his record at +606. that is wrong - he did not factor in the juice. in the real world he would have lost almost 18 units - not just 12. he's full of shit.
2.) coglye started the night at +358 and lost 22 units. today he is at +336 as if he got even lines. he lied - he did not factor in the juice. coglye didn't lay too much juice but should have lost about 24-25 units not just 22.
3.) fatfuck bigDaddy started the night at +628 and lost 12 units on the white sox at -130. today his record is at +616. once again he did not factor in the juice - the fat fuck lied about his record. in the real world he would have lost about 16 units not just 12.
4.) bondage started the night at +528 and lost 12 units on colorado at -130, won on LAD and lost his ML parlay on the two. (only an asshole would parlay two teams he has in straight bets - i pray noone was dumb enough to do that). so today his record is a +522. and once again he did not factor the juice he lost on the rockies. bondage should have lost 10 units last night not 6.
there you go action brett. each and every one of your boys lied about their records today. your "expert" side of things is worth about as much as the records these asshole post.
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