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Does any one know when the next court date is for WAMUQ? I have heard there is a good chance this will be settled in the first or second quarter of 2010.
Anyone have an opinion on this?


The next Omnibus is on January 20th ... the calendar is posted here:

http://www.my.calendars.net/wmi/d01/01/2010?authenticate=&display=M&style=B&positioning=A


Equity committee would be good for Preferreds and Commons from my understanding. Regardless, I am still 2/3 KQs and 1/3 UQs as you saw how quickly the KQs can move on speculation (.80 => $1.50 in a day).

Put some gambling money in this, cash out on the quick pops, re-buy the big dips ... keep a small core position (more gambling money) in until the end. This could draw out for months ... get some popcorn and enjoy the show.

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do u still own any Pq's? Besides the value and rate what are the major differences? It is about the same return from Kq-Pq?
I think i read the Pq has first fill...

i would guess that if an EC is actually formed which it seems is likley there will be an increase in all shares.
 

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do u still own any Pq's? Besides the value and rate what are the major differences? It is about the same return from Kq-Pq?
I think i read the Pq has first fill...

i would guess that if an EC is actually formed which it seems is likley there will be an increase in all shares.


I dont own the PQs as they are a bit too expensive and non-marginable. I decided on the KQs as they represent a similar ROI as the PQs and will be next in line after the PQs get paid out. KQs have a $25 face value.

Increase in all shares? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Do you mean increase in PPS? With WaMu being in BK, they can't add additional shares to the O/S count.
 

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Thanks for letting me know abut the next court date. I have read you recommend buying UQ for around 10 cents. What price do you recommend buying KQ? Thanks for your addvice and help.
 

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Thanks for letting me know abut the next court date. I have read you recommend buying UQ for around 10 cents. What price do you recommend buying KQ? Thanks for your addvice and help.


No problem. For the UQs, my strategy is below:

Buy big at .10. First flip level is .1385, second flip level is .165. I reload at .10 if doesnt break above the first flip level. If it breaks .14, I flip at .165. If .165 fails, I re-buy at .141 and try to re-flip at .165. Obviously, if .14 doesnt hold, I immediately sell all but my core position and wait to re-buy closer to .10.


The KQs are not as liquid as the commons. My big buy-in point would be .60. I would start buying at .80, incrementally down to .60-.65, which is where I'll be a big buyer. My first flip point was $1.04, second flip was $1.38. I didnt flip anymore after that as it was blue-sky break-out territory and I was left with only my core position. I'm waiting to re-buy the KQs sub-.80 hopefully before the next court date and/or before the Equity Committee (EC) is formed.


And don't be fooled by the small increments. If you buy at .10 and sell at .1385, that's a hefty 38% ROI and this can easily be done multiple times a week on certain occassions.
 

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Big money, big money

WAMPQ @60
WAMKQ @1.45
WAMUQ @.142


Big money indeed. Watch the UQs, so far they're the only laggard considering the EC is being formed.

Short-term, I see the KQs and UQs offering the highest ROI as compared to the PQs. However, KQs have already run a bit, so I've sold quite a few into the recent strength and have been accumulating the UQs sub-.13

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I sold all my PQ's at 34 last week lol. And over half of my KQ's around 1.20. I'm trying to keep my composure but it's difficult. And now I don't want to chase it lol if it's about to plummet back to 40's. I'm so angry and confused.
 

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I got back in pq at 100 since it's lagging so far behind kq. We'll see!
 

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I sold all my PQ's at 34 last week lol. And over half of my KQ's around 1.20. I'm trying to keep my composure but it's difficult. And now I don't want to chase it lol if it's about to plummet back to 40's. I'm so angry and confused.


KQs +137% .... Weeeeeeeeeee
 

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I got back in pq at 100 since it's lagging so far behind kq. We'll see!
FWIW I sold them all back at 106 when kq started tanking from 3.80 to 3. It's looking like pump-dump
 

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[COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important][/COLOR][/COLOR]from jpm 10-q from ihub poster. seems like they are laying the ground work. they mention people seeking large settlement dollars and they dont know what is going to happen. It also kinda states that the firm does not have the reserves so this means they will pay with stock...



worth on the last 10Q, it will be interesting to see their report on the 15th. Dimon will be in the hot seat that day trying to make up excuses in front of the financial meltdown committee. Should make for one heckuva fun day, as he tries to explain where all those billions came from.

A part of me believes this might be the hold-up on settlement, waiting until after the quarterly figures are released. And language like this, does not inspire investor [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]confidence[/COLOR][/COLOR] in JPM's future appreciation potential:

In addition to the various cases, proceedings and investigations discussed above, JPMorgan Chase and its subsidiaries are named as defendants or otherwise involved in a number of other legal actions and governmental proceedings arising in connection with their [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]businesses[/COLOR][/COLOR]. Additional actions, investigations or proceedings may be initiated from time to time in the future. In view of the inherent difficulty of predicting the outcome of legal matters, particularly where the claimants seek very large or indeterminate damages, or where the [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]cases[/COLOR][/COLOR] present novel legal theories, involve a large number of parties or are in early stages of discovery, the Firm cannot state with confidence what the eventual outcome of these pending matters will be, what the timing of the ultimate resolution of these matters will be or what the eventual loss, fines, penalties or impact related to each pending matter may be. JPMorgan Chase believes, based on its current knowledge, after consultation with counsel and after taking into [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]account[/COLOR][/COLOR] its current litigation reserves, that the outcome of the legal actions, proceedings and investigations currently pending against it should not have a material adverse effect on the Firm’s consolidated [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]financial[/COLOR][/COLOR] condition. However, in light of the uncertainties involved in such proceedings, actions and investigations, there is no assurance that the ultimate resolution of these matters will not significantly exceed the reserves currently accrued by the Firm; as a result, the outcome of a particular matter may be material to JPMorgan Chase’s operating results for a particular period, depending on, among other factors, the size of the loss or liability imposed and the level of JPMorgan Chase’s [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]income[/COLOR][/COLOR] for that period.
 

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What would your strategy be at this point, please.

No problem. For the UQs, my strategy is below:

Buy big at .10. First flip level is .1385, second flip level is .165. I reload at .10 if doesnt break above the first flip level. If it breaks .14, I flip at .165. If .165 fails, I re-buy at .141 and try to re-flip at .165. Obviously, if .14 doesnt hold, I immediately sell all but my core position and wait to re-buy closer to .10.

Greetings to you Kuwiness:

If possible, would you please share your strategy for flipping the Qs now that they've reached .185, which seems to be near (or at) critical resistance?

I could have killed myself for not acting on your advice regarding the Ps. In their regard, do you think they'll ever fall beneath a buck again ... and if not, at what PPS would you consider a buy?

Thank you very much
Bob Marley
 

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Greetings to you Kuwiness:

If possible, would you please share your strategy for flipping the Qs now that they've reached .185, which seems to be near (or at) critical resistance?

I could have killed myself for not acting on your advice regarding the Ps. In their regard, do you think they'll ever fall beneath a buck again ... and if not, at what PPS would you consider a buy?

Thank you very much
Bob Marley


I'm not selling any UQs right now, I think they're going to pop in a big way going into the January Omnibus hearing. That'll be the opportunity to sell. I'm looking to add on any significant weakness of 15% or more.

I think you were referring to the KQs also. I dont know if they'll fall back below $1 again, but I'm looking to re-add some trading shares around $1.50. Just buy/sell incrementally and you always participate on the up-side and dont take a blood-bath if there's a nasty sell-off. I'll re-asses my buy/sell limits after the UQs break-out again. For now, I'd recommend holding what you have especially if you're down to only your core position now.
 

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WaMu form official bankruptcy group

BY Reuters
— 10:00 PM ET 01/11/2010

* Formed at request of U.S. Trustee

* WaMu asks court to disband panel

By Tom Hals

WILMINGTON, Del., Jan 11 (Reuters) - Shareholders of Washington Mutual Inc formed an official committee on Monday to represent them in the bankruptcy of the bank holding company, according to court document.

The committee was formed at the request of the U.S. Trustee and it comes as Seattle-based Washington Mutual (WAMUQ) is nearing what is likely the final months of its bankruptcy.

The formation of a committee usually occurs at the beginning of a bankruptcy. Equity committees have been rare in bankruptcies during the current economic downturn as have tended to be insolvent and weighed down with secured debt, leaving no hope of for shareholders.

Washington Mutual (WAMUQ), which filed for bankruptcy in September 2008, immediately requested the court disband the panel, according to court documents.

"The debtors are baffled as to why the U.S. Trustee, at this late date, would choose to saddle these estates with another committee and, presumably, professionals that will needlessly incur significant fees and expenses," the company said in court .

The Wilmington, Delaware, meeting of shareholders was hosted by the U.S. Trustee and drew about two dozen mostly retail from across the country. Individual investors have been actively following the case and pressing for official recognition through informal groups.

One group has been led by Joyce Presnall, who will sit on the official committee along with other individual investors and Esopus Creek Value, a Short Hills, New Jersey, hedge fund that is active in distressed companies.

Washington Mutual (WAMUQ) shares rallied recently after the company said it may receive an additional tax refund of up to $2.6 billion, increasing the likelihood of some recovery for equity holders.

The committee will be represented by firms Venable and Benesch, Friedlander, Coplan & Aronof.

The company's common shares fell 3.7 percent to 18.2 cents while its preferred shares rose 10.6 percent to $82.35.

The case is In re Washington Mutual Inc (WAMUQ), U.S., District of Delaware, No. 08-12229.

(Editing by Gary Hill)

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Another Kristen Grind article:

FDIC's WaMu role under investigation


A congressional subcommittee is investigating the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.’s role in the seizure and sale of Seattle-based Washington Mutual Bank in September 2008, a court document shows.
A document recently filed in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Delaware as part of the Washington Mutual bankruptcy case shows that the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations (PSI) has subpoenaed the FDIC for documents related to the resolution of WaMu.


The document describes the subpoena as “broad” and indicates that the PSI’s jurisdiction includes investigations into companies and regulatory bodies. The filing says the FDIC is responding to “a massive document request from Congress regarding the resolution of Washington Mutual Bank.”
PSI, a subcommittee of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, declined to comment on whether an investigation exists.


The FDIC sold Washington Mutual to JPMorgan Chase & Co. (NYSE: JPM) after the federal Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS) seized the bank in September 2008.The holding company of the bank immediately filed for bankruptcy.


The FDIC disclosed the PSI subpoena in an objection it filed in the WaMu bankruptcy case. The bank’s holding company has requested permission to subpoena the FDIC, OTS, credit rating agencies and others for information about how WaMu was seized and sold.
Last summer, the Wall Street Journal reported that the PSI had subpoenaed JPMorgan Chase regarding WaMu. An investigation, according to the Journal, appears to focus on whether bankers had private doubts about the soundness of complicated financial products.


The PSI also investigated Seattle-based Quellos, a giant manager of hedge funds that was later sold to BlackRock, a global investment manager. In a 2006 report, the PSI said that Quellos, “designed, promoted and implemented” a tax shelter that was used to shield $2 billion in capital gains from U.S. taxes, costing the U.S. Treasury $300 million in revenue.
The Office of Inspector Generals for the FDIC and the Office of Thrift Supervision, WaMu’s primary regulator, also are investigating the circumstances of WaMu’s seizure. Richard Del Mar, counsel to the Inspector General of the U.S. Treasury, said his office is aware of the congressional investigation. It’s unclear, however, whether the two agencies are working together.


The Inspector Generals’ WaMu report was initially planned for release in the fall of 2009 but has so far not been released.
 

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