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i think i'll stick with wamuq for now, but i will start researching bankrupt stocks tomorrow. i live to invest in stocks that have the potential for quick gains, and as i think about it, some of the biggest gainers i have seen are those that are in their death throes. maybe it's the whole specualtion thing, the potential for what these guys are going to be valued at at the time of their death.....sort of like getting in line when it comes to reading the old woman's will

should be something to keep me occupied tomorrow.....
 

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here's some interesting historical precedent....

and i agree it was definitely shady the way the shit went down with WaMu

granted this one is a bit more complicated since this is a 3 way battle with JPM in the mix.....

that said....starting to think i might roll the die and chuck a 500 bill at this puppy for the hell of it...


Nice find Tiz!! Very relevant information in that article in comparison to the unfolding situation we have with WaMu. How the heck did you come across an article from 1993!? : )
 

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the main question i have is how much will/does WaMu owe the creditors

they are the first in line to get paid from anything that's left after the bankruptcy filing
 

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8.1 billion is the number they gave on the initial bankruptcy filing

so we can assume as far as i can tell the first 8.1 billion of whatever they can round up will go to the long list of creditors
 

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the main question i have is how much will/does WaMu owe the creditors

they are the first in line to get paid from anything that's left after the bankruptcy filing


Could be substantial. WAMU was a very poorly run company. We had to deal with them a lot when my wife was in the consumer bankruptcy business and they were really fucked up.

There was a website called "WAMUFRAUD" where people that had the misfortune to deal with them would post.

Nonetheless it appears that there is some money to be made here.
 

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WMI.F dropped like a rock at the opening bell, it's now trying to climb back up to the starting line.
 

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WAMPQs and WAMKQs are both moving up on big volume, up 15% and 19% respectively. Always a good sign to see these bad boys moving up. Now we just need to get over .32 and things will be looking good.
 

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I'm sensing a bit of a dip before we breakout past .32... I'm going to pick-up some more shares once it drops a tad lower. Time to lower down my average PPS :)
 

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I'm sensing a bit of a dip before we breakout past .32... I'm going to pick-up some more shares once it drops a tad lower. Time to lower down my average PPS :)


Lower your average PPS, when did you buy!? Seems like .30 is holding, but i'd say .28 is our full-out support level according to Level 2. You can probably safely add around .30, but if it falls, look for low .28s as your new buy-in point. Then again, I think anything under $1 is a steal and as new money is freed up in my account, I just add regardless of where the PPS is at.
 

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Lower your average PPS, when did you buy!? Seems like .30 is holding, but i'd say .28 is our full-out support level according to Level 2. You can probably safely add around .30, but if it falls, look for low .28s as your new buy-in point. Then again, I think anything under $1 is a steal and as new money is freed up in my account, I just add regardless of where the PPS is at.

:lol: I went a little crazy and got too excited around .36... I originally bought in at .157 and .163 I believe. My skepticism and DD process caused me to buy-in so late... I had a shot at .09. I don't regret that though. I would rather feel knowledgeable and faithful in where my money is going rather than a blind play like it would have been for me at that price.

Either way, as you've been saying these are all still bargain prices! I have strong faith in WAMUQ!
 

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The agenda has been posted on PACER. Interestingly enough, JPM's Notice of Divestiture of Jurisdiction is the last item on the schedule -- I would love to hear the dialogue between JPM's counsel and Judge Walrath on that one.


Notice of Agenda of Matters Scheduled for Hearing Filed by Washington Mutual, Inc.. Hearing scheduled for 9/25/2009 at 10:30 AM at US Bankruptcy Court, 824 Market St., 5th Fl., Courtroom #4, Wilmington, Delaware. (Irgens, Andrew) (Entered: 09/23/2009)


http://ghostofwamu.com/CaseHeader/08-12229Header.htm

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In regards to book value or settlement price this was
posted on Y by Bopfan 8/10/09;

"If commons would receive only $4 this mess would have been settled ages ago. In order to get a fair settlement (i.e., reflecting a reasonable multiple of book value or a multiple of cash flows), which would be substantially above the $4 number you threw out, and an equitable distribution of liability between the FDIC and JPM, there must be a dogfight. It's just that simple.

Mydad has fallen into the trap that ensnares laypeople and most non-bankruptcy lawyers: incredulity about what comes out of bankruptcy court. The bankruptcy arena is extraordinary not merely because of the Bankruptcy Code's power, but the bankruptcy bar's reputation for ruthless bargaining. Weil Gotshal is running the strategy of WMI's case and will not settle for a nominal amount for commons because it has a winning hand and JPM and the FDIC know it.

I don't know where you got your $4 number, but it is preposterous. Indeed, assuming a payout of only 1x book ($26 billion), re-aging of debt and prefereds (i.e., increase principal on both by 10% to compensate for default and assume payment 10% of discounted principal going forward or about $1.3 billion per year), common would probably see around $14.50 per share and, as you know, I consider this a very low recovery as I don't believe Weil will accept 1x book.

I don't intend to argue these points again (including the silly revisiting of Wall Street's ability to value Chapter 11 companies), and people must come to their own (informed, hopefully) decisions. Time will tell."

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Business_%26_Finance/Investments/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_W/threadview?bn=86316&tid=207412&mid=207730
 

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Please be careful as this could be a pink sheet scam stock but have any of ya'll heard of DIMEQ.PK or know anything about it? It shows affiliation with WMI but it seems obscure and possibly shady.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=dimeq.pk&d=v2

If someone has already done their own DD and can sum it up in a sentence I would really appreciate it.
 

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seems like alot of the dead pinky's perking up of late

when i see worthless circuit city (cctyq) start popping a bit it raises a few eyebrows

could be good signal that speculation running high and this rally since march about to come to a conclusion

that's not to say WAMUQ won't pan out okay...this seems like a potential special case....but still can't find enough for me to make even a small move on it though just don't think there will be money left for shareholders after creditors and such are paid
 

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seems like alot of the dead pinky's perking up of late

when i see worthless circuit city (cctyq) start popping a bit it raises a few eyebrows

could be good signal that speculation running high and this rally since march about to come to a conclusion

that's not to say WAMUQ won't pan out okay...this seems like a potential special case....but still can't find enough for me to make even a small move on it though just don't think there will be money left for shareholders after creditors and such are paid

Not to mention chances of beating JPM are slim at best! They don't give a shit who they piss off! They just aren't as blatant as GS publicly.
 

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yeah if it was a simple FDIC vs. WaMu like that other case i posted yesterday i'd probably give er a go

JPM being in the mix though keeping me away
 

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Did the Feds Gift JPM another Bailout?

by TysonMM http://therxforum.com/younews/?profile=y&xml=y&author=TysonMM

Posted on: Sep 23, 2009 at 2:19 PM PDT

Did the Feds Just Gift JPM another $50 billion in Taxpayer Bailout Dollars!

According to the Purchase and Assumption Agreement dated 25 Sept 2008, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation had until this past Monday to adjust to fair value, the selling price of the assets of Washington Mutual Bank. During the financial chaos of September 2008, the FDIC, in coordination with the Office of Thrift Supervision and the Federal Treasury, deemed the 100 year old bank "unfit to conduct business", and sold the assets and deposits for a hastily arranged deal with JPMorgan Chase for a questionable $1.88b. Left behind scratching their heads were a carnage of employees, shareholders, bondholders, and retirement accounts desperate for answers, considering the value of assets sold (by conservative estimates) exceeded $50b in fair value.

In its role as "receiver", the U.S. Congress has entrusted the FDIC with virtually complete responsibility for resolving failed federally insured depository institutions. In exercising this significant authority, governing policies and regulations require the FDIC "by statute to maximize the return on the assets of the failed bank or thrift and to minimize any loss to the insurance funds." Further guidelines direct "adjustments to the closing books may be made between the date of the closing (25 Sept 08) of the institution and the "settlement date." The settlement date may be from 180 days to 360 days after the bank or thrift closing, depending on the failed institution's size. Adjustments reflect (1) the exercise of options by the acquirer, (2) either any repurchase of assets by the receiver or any "put back" of assets to the receiver by the assuming institution, and (3) the valuation of assets sold to the acquirer at market prices." (FDIC Resolution Handbook)

Ongoing court litigation and counter lawsuits estimate the value of assets received from the sale exceed $52 billion dollars, adding over $1 billion monthly profit to JP Morgan Chase bank. While JPM has publicly stated that the assets received were of greater value than the purchase price, the FDIC has yet to properly value the assets sold, or for that matter, even unable to determine what exactly was sold to JPM during the frantic evening of 25 Sept 2008. In the span of less than 24 hours, the Office of Thrift Supervision closed Washington Mutual, named the FDIC as receiver for the 100 year old institution, and then sold assets of $307 billion and total deposits of $188 billion to JPM for the conspicuously lowball price tag of $1.88 billion.

Have the taxpayers been fleeced overnight once again, or does FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair have a logical explanation?


Source: http://www.kvi.com/younews/60792647.html
 

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Of course! With JPM having trillions in derivative exposure they probably needed to pay off on some CDS contracts or something. We all know the Feds spoon feed their golden haired children. Question is...can anything be done about it?
 

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