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It's just an entirely different occupation with different protocols and they've been put through a meatgrinder being in a war torn 3rd world country and seeing atrocities. Many comeback severely screwed up in the head with PTSD and other mental health issues. It isn't as easy of a transition as people think.

Really after war, reintegration into society is taken for granted and most probably aren't going out of their way to get the necessary help needed.

And they're commiting suicide at a rate of 22 every single day here in the US.....that's right, ex soldiers from the middle east wars can't cope & can't integrate back into society as we know it........so there's no way most of these ex soldiers should be behind a badge. I just don't know the number of how many are getting jobs as police officers.
 

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Enfuego, ask yourself a question.

Are these shootings the cost of doing business for law enforcement in America and we should chalk it up to that?

Or can incidents like the Minnesota 1 or this guy in CA or some of the others actually be fixed?

If you think the answer is that they can be fixed then that is an issue of policy and protocol. Once we acknowledge institutional failures in the justice system then we can fix them.
 
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Norway cops do not even carry guns anymore.

The country also has a low prison rate, with less than 4,000 of its 5 million citizens in jail, and low recidivism rates.

The United States, on the other hand, is home to the world’s largest prison population. Roughly one in every 100 American adults is incarcerated. Recidivism here hovers above 76 percent.

How can the situation with police be so different in these two countries?



‘What can the Scandinavian experience teach us?’
A 2014 case study found that police department policies have a greater impact on how often a police officer uses his or her weapon than whether the officer even has a weapon in the first place.

Ross Hendy, a New Zealand police constable and PhD candidate at the University of Cambridge, authored “Routinely Armed and Unarmed Police: What can the Scandinavian experience teach us?,” a study which focused mainly on Norway and Sweden.

Hendy found that officer safety might be jeopardized when officers are routinely armed because armed officers more likely to engage in dangerous situations, yet departmental policies were of greater importance to influencing how officer behavior, particularly in tense situations.

To illustrate how this works, he used the image of a police officer pointing a gun at a criminal suspect, inviting the reader to imagine what would be going on inside that officer’s mind.

He wrote: “One might consider that an officer staring down the barrel of a gun may not necessarily factor in the subtleties of whether a warning shot is appropriate, or whether it would be best to shoot for the leg or chest, especially in a critical incident.”

In this case, he was comparing Norway with other Scandinavian countries whose police are routinely armed — notably, Denmark, Finland and Sweden. He found that even when Norwegian police are armed they threaten to shoot at a rate far higher than the other countries. He attributes this to federal policy.

Hendy wrote:

“In other words, when considering the impact of routinely arming a routinely unarmed police force, these data show us that it is more likely that departmental policies will have a greater effect on the police officer’s decision-making process than whether the officer is routinely armed or not.”

This guy points responsibility at the police departments and federal policy. There are a lot of factors no doubt.
 

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And they're commiting suicide at a rate of 22 every single day here in the US.....that's right, ex soldiers from the middle east wars can't cope & can't integrate back into society as we know it........so there's no way most of these ex soldiers should be behind a badge. I just don't know the number of how many are getting jobs as police officers.

It's not 22 from the Middle East Wars. It's 22 vets and current active duty members altogether. And Soldiers refers to the US Army.

Staggering number huh?
 

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Enfuego, ask yourself a question.

Are these shootings the cost of doing business for law enforcement in America and we should chalk it up to that?

Or can incidents like the Minnesota 1 or this guy in CA or some of the others actually be fixed?

If you think the answer is that they can be fixed then that is an issue of policy and protocol. Once we acknowledge institutional failures in the justice system then we can fix them.

This is a very complex question. There is no easy answer.

I think the cops had every right to shoot the guy in Baton Rouge and Fresno so I chalk it up to the price of dealing with thugs in America. Three dead guys out of thousands of interactions daily is pretty darn good if you ask me.
 

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So if cops aren't overly aggressive and nothing is wrong, why do we need any reforms? Why fix anything if there isn't a stat that shows cops are shooting kids at a high rate? These are public servants and the backbone of this country enforcing its laws and safety. I never said it was anything sensational like it is an epidemic that we have no hope of fixing, just that there are some clear steps that need to be taken.

Are you saying we don't need any reforms?

I wonder why there is bi-partisan support for reform? Must be because there is no problem with law enforcement being overly aggressive, right?

No, we don't need reforms because the stats don't show cops are killing kids at a high rate. That's the issue. You're being fed a load of shit by the media.
 
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Studies say police departments in America are in need of retraining. Evidence based studies recommend that.
 

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So why put cameras in police cars and add surveillance if there is no problem? Why is that a reform that has been taken?

Is that a load of shit? Are you against it? If so, why?

Why would reforms only be trigged if something is being done at a "high rate". Plenty of changes for the better take place when problems aren't massive in scale.
 

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This is a very complex question. There is no easy answer.

I think the cops had every right to shoot the guy in Baton Rouge and Fresno so I chalk it up to the price of dealing with thugs in America. Three dead guys out of thousands of interactions daily is pretty darn good if you ask me.

Problem is, the public being fed all this by the media doesn't see it like you do......& if things get out of hand even more, it could get ugly.
 

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Why are cops not using a taser or rubber bullets in this type of situation?

There are other equally effective ways to subdue a perceived threat besides taking its life.

Bring a taser to a gun fight?
 

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So why put cameras in police cars and add surveillance if there is no problem? Why is that a reform that has been taken?

Is that a load of shit? Are you against it? If so, why?

Why would reforms only be trigged if something is being done at a "high rate". Plenty of changes for the better take place when problems aren't massive in scale.

Body cams on officers is a federal initiative put in by the Obama Administration. You'd have to ask him. 75M over the next three years will be given to state and local departments by the feds to put into place.
 

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Body cams on officers is a federal initiative put in by the Obama Administration. You'd have to ask him. 75M over the next three years will be given to state and local departments by the feds to put into place.

Are you pro or against increased surveillance when it comes to criminal justice policy in this country? If there is no need to curb cops not following protocol because it is a fake, drummed up media problem that doesn't exist, then why are you for it?

If you are against it, why?
 

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So why put cameras in police cars and add surveillance if there is no problem? Why is that a reform that has been taken?

Is that a load of shit? Are you against it? If so, why?

Why would reforms only be trigged if something is being done at a "high rate". Plenty of changes for the better take place when problems aren't massive in scale.

why? for the few bad cops AND for when the criminals/criminals GF's etc LIE!!!!!!
 

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why? for the few bad cops AND for when the criminals/criminals GF's etc LIE!!!!!!

So it is a reform that curtails bad policing? Why do we need it if the stats don't show a massive systemic issue of bad policing?

What is so bad about transparency to make sure the most powerful citizens among us are following protocol?
 
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When you think about it. It all comes down to a cops judgement and perception. How he perceives a kid walking down a street with a hoody. All of it is his perception. Whether right or wrong. Which IMO....is fucked up. So I got to rely on this mother fuckers perception of the world whether he is going to fuck with me or not?

Now arm him with a gun. His judgement, his perception. That's what people are relying on. And we all gamble here....and now we are gambling with our lives. If you ask me that system is rigged. Lmao. No wonder so many of yall are on this forum all day. Fuck going outside lol
yall are safe on this forum. Nobody gonna shoot you. Talk all the shit we want
 

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Norway cops do not even carry guns anymore.

The country also has a low prison rate, with less than 4,000 of its 5 million citizens in jail, and low recidivism rates.

The United States, on the other hand, is home to the world’s largest prison population. Roughly one in every 100 American adults is incarcerated. Recidivism here hovers above 76 percent.

How can the situation with police be so different in these two countries?



‘What can the Scandinavian experience teach us?’
A 2014 case study found that police department policies have a greater impact on how often a police officer uses his or her weapon than whether the officer even has a weapon in the first place.

Ross Hendy, a New Zealand police constable and PhD candidate at the University of Cambridge, authored “Routinely Armed and Unarmed Police: What can the Scandinavian experience teach us?,” a study which focused mainly on Norway and Sweden.

Hendy found that officer safety might be jeopardized when officers are routinely armed because armed officers more likely to engage in dangerous situations, yet departmental policies were of greater importance to influencing how officer behavior, particularly in tense situations.

To illustrate how this works, he used the image of a police officer pointing a gun at a criminal suspect, inviting the reader to imagine what would be going on inside that officer’s mind.

He wrote: “One might consider that an officer staring down the barrel of a gun may not necessarily factor in the subtleties of whether a warning shot is appropriate, or whether it would be best to shoot for the leg or chest, especially in a critical incident.”

In this case, he was comparing Norway with other Scandinavian countries whose police are routinely armed — notably, Denmark, Finland and Sweden. He found that even when Norwegian police are armed they threaten to shoot at a rate far higher than the other countries. He attributes this to federal policy.

Hendy wrote:

“In other words, when considering the impact of routinely arming a routinely unarmed police force, these data show us that it is more likely that departmental policies will have a greater effect on the police officer’s decision-making process than whether the officer is routinely armed or not.”

This guy points responsibility at the police departments and federal policy. There are a lot of factors no doubt.

What % of the population in Norway is black? I remember going there a long while ago... and I dont recall ever seeing more than maybe 6 or so black people the whole 3 days I was there lol.
 

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Are you pro or against increased surveillance when it comes to criminal justice policy in this country? If there is no need to curb cops not following protocol because it is a fake, drummed up media problem that doesn't exist, then why are you for it?

If you are against it, why?

Statistics show we don't have a problem in America with cops shooting people Pats. I'm not making up the stats. You can choose to believe the media or not. Up to you.
 

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So it is a reform that curtails bad policing? Why do we need it if the stats don't show a massive systemic issue of bad policing?

What is so bad about transparency to make sure the most powerful citizens among us are following protocol?

Nothing at all wrong with transparency. What is wrong is creating a false narrative about the issue that doesn't exist in real life.
 

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Statistics show we don't have a problem in America with cops shooting people Pats. I'm not making up the stats. You can choose to believe the media or not. Up to you.

Why won't you answer my question?

And "shooting people" isn't the only sign of overly aggressive behavior. Some of it is institutional as well. Like muni's wanting to raise revenue and needing to pull people over more. Reforms taken to put revenue ceilings on tickets are also wise.
 

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