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It could very well end up being a lie, although the article goes on to say

"As of Thursday, 257 children were among the approximately 760 reported dead in Gaza. There were another 1,080 children among the 3,100 injured in the conflict, according to statistics from Gaza's health ministry.

The UN's top humanitarian official, John Holmes, described the numbers as 'credible' and deeply disturbing. UN officials say about half of the casualties were civilians."

which by itself is a travesty. How many Israelis have died from rocket attacks? What's the documented number, something like 20 in 8 years?

Yea, and how many Israeli lives have been disrupted on a daily basis? How many Israeli parents go to bed every night wondering if their kids will wake up in the morning or live through the next day?

Nothing else is going to matter until there are 0 casualties on both sides. And the Palestinians could have that tomorrow if they wanted it.
 

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The UN will have the same effect on Israel as it does on Iran…. ZILCH
 

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Yea, and how many Israeli lives have been disrupted on a daily basis? How many Israeli parents go to bed every night wondering if their kids will wake up in the morning or live through the next day?

Nothing else is going to matter until there are 0 casualties on both sides. And the Palestinians could have that tomorrow if they wanted it.

People who post against Israel always like to simplify the complicated and complicate the simple.

The bottom line is if Israel put its weapons down it would be destroyed. And if the Arabs put all their weapons down there would be peace.
 

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I never recall saying that what happened in the past morally equates to whats happening today. I only mentioned those events to highlight the sort of mentality of some Israeli leaders and how peace will not arrive while them and their ilk are around. Just because they warned the hotel before the bomb exploded doesnt absolve them from what happened.

Mamatried, I can understand why you think my logic is flawed, and I hope your are right. However, looking at the progression of peace (or lack of) in the area over recent decades it is a conclusion that I have reached.

Actually, I agree with you that peace is never going to come to the region, and that Armageddon is fast approaching. We as human beings, however, have every obligation to do all we can to forestall that certain eventuality.
 

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When you as a terror group embed yourself amongst a civilian population and fire rockets or blow up busses AIMING TO KILL INNOCENT CIVILIANS on your declared enemy [and they kill them because they are Jews, and for no other reason, like Land], and you then retreat and hide amongst your own civilian population, you show no value for human life. And it is you who are responsible for the death of civilians on both sides when the other side retaliates. Because the other side has no choice.

Idiots and Jewhaters like Dilrod love to reverse cause and effect. I'm surprised he doesn't blame the World Trade Centers for blowing up the planes that hit them. Oh that's right, he's all fucked up on that issue as well.
 
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I understand your frustrations. Sometimes I wish the whole damn thing would go away.

But sometimes, when you don't go to hell, hell comes to you, like 911.
I'm pissed with the money and support my government gives to these Israelis. They betray us with their conduct and policies. Everytime something like this happens I feel like I got a target on my back with some Arab on the other side of the scope.

Who's freaking retarded idea was it to put millions of displaced Jews from Europe in the middle-east surrounded by Arabs? Who the fuck comes up with shit?!
I don't know whos idea it was Israel the Location but it was a dumb idea.
 

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Who's freaking retarded idea was it to put millions of displaced Jews from Europe in the middle-east surrounded by Arabs? Who the fuck comes up with shit?!

the short version which you can surely research is

In the beginning of the 20th century the Ottoman Empire collapsed.....the Brits needed to secure access to the Suez canal....they took over that land from the Ottomans ......then after WWI the League of Nations came up with a Treaty to temporarily manage those lands until they could rule themselves (Brit Mandate)......30 years later the UN comes up with a definitive plan to split that land and put the jews from Europe 'somewhere'

30 countries agreed with that (resolution 181)

from wikipedia

The 30 countries (53%) that voted in favour of the partition were: Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Byelorussian SSR, Canada, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala, Iceland, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, Sweden, South Africa, Ukrainian SSR, United States of America, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Uruguay, Venezuela.
 

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30 years later the UN comes up with a definitive plan to split that land and put the jews from Europe 'somewhere'
I thought they were all relocated here to Long Island...%^_

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"COMING SOON? HAMAS' MEDIA MASSACRE"

Watching/reading the U.S. major media underestimates the humanitarian rights violations the Israelis are imposing on the Palestinians.

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"But sometimes, when you don't go to hell, hell comes to you, like 911.
I'm pissed with the money and support my government gives to these Israelis. They betray us with their conduct and policies. Everytime something like this happens I feel like I got a target on my back with some Arab on the other side of the scope."

How much "aid" does Canada provide Israel? The U.S. provides Israel w/approximately $3 billion/year (source: ynetnews.com, an Israeli based website).

While hundreds of innocent Palestinians are suffering through this massacre, this is what the State of Israel seems preoccupied by:

<TABLE dir=ltr cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width=268 background="" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=center align=left height=20><TD vAlign=center width=268 bgColor=#0083d7>State to help fund treatment of pets hurt by rockets </TD></TR><TR><TD height=5>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD width=268>Last week a Qassam rocket hit a house in Sderot and killed the family's dog, which was at the building's yard during the attack. The dog was rushed to the veterinarian ...
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Artie have you read any of this thread? Or are you just an ignorant asshole?

The US provides the Arab World collectively with more aid than it does to Israel. And that's mostly to totalitarian regimes that hate us.

The Palestinians receive more in aid per capita than any other population in the world.

What the US gives Israel it receives back tenfold.

Don't worry; I wouldn't expect an idiot like you to understand.
 

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Scott--I'm not worried.

I've read the entire thread and I am wondering where it refers to the aid provided to the Palestinians by the U.S. ????

What does the U.S. receive back from Israel? And tenfold?

Educate my ignorant ass o' great one....
 

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Artie have you read any of this thread? Or are you just an ignorant asshole?

The US provides the Arab World collectively with more aid than it does to Israel. And that's mostly to totalitarian regimes that hate us.

The Palestinians receive more in aid per capita than any other population in the world.

What the US gives Israel it receives back tenfold.

Don't worry; I wouldn't expect an idiot like you to understand.

Based on my calculations from data provided by the U.S. Census, Palestinians in the West Bank & Gaza (combined) received $40.00/capita in 2007, while Israel received $329.58/capita.

I know I is an idiot:think2: but last I checked, 329.58 > 40.00...but then again, I'ze cood be rong....:icon_conf
 

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Children found under the rubble, 1000s of families torn apart

Children found under the rubble, 1000s of families torn apart

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PNN - The United Nations said Friday that the number of Palestinians killed in the Gaza Strip reached 799 after the bodies of 50 children were found buried under the rubble.

Witnesses report that during last weekend the Israeli military bombed a house in Gaza where soldiers had rounded up 110 Palestinians, killing 30 people. At least 50 bodies were found, along with children, under the rubble.

Witnesses in Gaza and Israeli military sources said today that Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip and projectile launches from the armed Palestinian resistance continued early Friday despite the UN Security Council finally passing a resolution calling for an immediate halt. The Israeli Cabinet is meeting to decide whether to abide the resolution or to move on to "Phase Three" of the operation against the Gaza Strip. A Palestinian spokesperson said the resolution "fell short of the aspirations of the Palestinian people."

Palestinian medical sources announced earlier the death of photographer, Ehab Wahidi, working for Palestine TV. His mother and wife were also killed when Israeli forces targeted their apartment in Tal Al Hawa, southwest of Gaza City on Thursday evening. Several other people were injured.

Palestinian medical sources also announced the death of a 36 year old and his one and a half year old son from Israeli artillery shelling on their house in eastern Gaza City’s Al Shajaiyeh neighborhood. The sources confirmed that the man’s daughter Yasim was seriously injured. She is in intensive care in Al Shifa Hospital. His second son, Abdul Rahim, was slightly injured and now must deal with the death of his father, whose body was in two parts, and baby brother, along with the loss of his home.

Dr. Muawiya Hassanenin, Director of Ambulance and Emergency in the Ministry of Health said that more than 50 bodies were found under the rubble during a few hours of calm that allowed medical crews and rescue teams to search for the injured and dead.

The International Committee of the Red Cross again reported that the Israeli army is routinely preventing relief teams from reaching wounded Palestinians, including children, who have been trapped for a period of five days.

Israeli aircraft, warships and tanks are all involved in bombarding dozens of houses in the Strip, in addition to resuming the attacks on Beit Lahia in the north on Friday afternoon.

Medical sources also noted that it was two women who were killed yesterday when Israeli tanks shelled a group of them who were fleeing their homes in Al Qarrara Village, just north of Khan Younis.
 
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Holy Sh!t.

And in this country (the US), there are many kooks obsessively concerned with the prohibition of porn and censorship of "foul" language because they are considered "obscene". Send them a copy of that photo with the girl's head blown off and let's see what they think is obscene after that.
 

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Just Merged the five threads created by DILROD within past 72 hours all addressing the ongoing battles between Israel and Palestine
 

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Based on my calculations from data provided by the U.S. Census, Palestinians in the West Bank & Gaza (combined) received $40.00/capita in 2007, while Israel received $329.58/capita.

I know I is an idiot:think2: but last I checked, 329.58 > 40.00...but then again, I'ze cood be rong....:icon_conf

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Tiznow I know you are a self-described fucking goofball, but your sense of humor leaves much to be desired.

To Artie's alcohol-drenched liver:

I can spend hours and hours talking about this topic. I can also in detail explain US foreign aid to Israel, why we do it, where the money is spent, etc. The question is, what would it achieve?

The fact is the world gives more money to the Palestinians than any other people. And what do they do with it? How much did the gonorrhea infested sewer Arafat die with? Who gave it to him?

The money spent by the US on Israel is peanuts compared with the defense and economic aid lavished by the US on Europe. Does anyone bitch about it?

There were no objections to the US economic and defense subsidies when Britain was ruthlessly putting down uprisings in Malaysia, or France in Algeria. So why the resentment of Israel.

Certainly if you are worried about Palestinian lives, I would expect you would be talking about Jordan. Jordan has killed thousands of more Palestinians than Israel. Jordan continues to be the fourth largest recipent of US foreign aid.

I find it hard to believe you oppose helping the only democratic strategic ally in a region in which all the other countries are Muslim dictatorships, who either actively support global Muslim terrorism, or wouldn’t stand against it.

The assistance Israel gets from the US is cir. 3% of GDP and most [74%] of it is spent in the US, often to the detriment of local Israeli industry.

Israel R&D has massively assisted the US. So I very much doubt that they will want to stop assistance.

Some of the dollars Israel gets is matched by annual aid to Egypt. This segment is a result of the Camp David peace accords.

Some is actually loan guarantees, and Israel has a perfect track record on repayment.

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/myths/mf21.html

Do you wish (do I really need to ask??????) Israel did not have the military advantage it did, so that it would be vulnerable to blackmail and destruction? Maybe the US won't have to spend so much money and manpower in the Middle East if the Arab world would give up the goal of annihilating Israel.

If Arabs dropped their guns, there would be peace; if Israel dropped its guns, there would be no Israel.

As the US aids dozens of countries, Muslim countries included, and as the US aid to Egypt alone, for instance, is commensurate to Israel.

I don't see harm done to US interests by having Israel as a strategic ally, the US’s only trustworthy and capable strategic ally in this part of the world.

If things got messed up in the war on Saddam’s regime, and things can get messed up in any war, the only country in the region that American soldiers could rely on for getting immediate and top level medical treatment, for instance, is Israel.

As the military aid is money that never leaves the US, as it is given on condition that Israel would purchase from American companies only, this is a way in which the US helps US industry. Why stop the subsidizing of US industry?

Why lose Israel’s contribution to the US in quite a few Hi-Tech realms, civilian and military alike?

Washington Post, Jan. 31, 2001 -- “In Beirut, Lebanon, delegates to a pan-Islamic conference... called for the elimination of the Jewish state... In a communique issued after the three-day conference, the nearly 400 delegates from about 40 Arab and Muslim countries said jihad (holy war) and resistance against Israel were the "only decisive option"...

What do you think? -- Could that, “in any way”, be connected to why Israel needs a strong Army?

The US is in a 10 to 15 year war on global Muslim terrorism. No country, the US included, has Israel’s intelligence, experience, tactics and means to carry out highly successful counter terrorism warfare. No other country has ever come close to Israel’s ability to combat terror, which has a success rate of over 99%. The help that the US gets from Israel in her war on global terrorism is more meaningful than what any other country can deliver.

Imagine the cost in lives and in economic loss due to just one airliner that would be downed during takeoff by a small shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missile. This is a real threat. This would result in hundreds of deaths. The (underestimated) official estimate is $20 billion. What about a second downed airliner?

The prevention of just one single such terror attack, thanks to Israel’s help, would save more than a few years of aid to Israel. The loss of lives cannot be measured by money.

Now, stop the aid to Israel, and board your next flight...

The American Pres., administration, and experts DON'T AID ISRAEL OUT OF PURE KINDNESS! They help Israel because it serves American interests. In terms of a cold lose-gain calculation, the US benefits by aiding Israel and by having Israel as a strategic ally.

Did you know that on Sept. 11, the head of the Saudi Arabia desk in the CIA didn’t even speak Arabic? He couldn’t assess critical intelligence directly from the source, and had to rely on translation. The first country that the US turned to for help, within hours on Sept. 11, was Israel. The US received more than she hoped to get. Now, have a nice flight... and enjoy your next visit to the mall... and cross that bridge safely... get back home and enjoy your computer time, thanks to the mutually beneficial relationship between the U.S. and Israel.

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Scott, you found an insightful book, i'll give you that. reading the free 171 pages. In your opinion, with the US being Israel's ally, why are we not there helping them fight ?
 

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The money spent by the US on Israel is peanuts compared with the defense and economic aid lavished by the US on Europe. Does anyone bitch about it?

I'm perplexed by this comment. You might want to check your sources? And people criticize my sources, meanwhile Scotty here gets his info straight from a Mossad newsletter!

Here are the top 16 recipients of U.S. foreign aid for 2005:

1. Israel 2.58 Billion
2. Egypt 1.84 Billion
3. Afganistan 0.98 Billion
4. Pakistan 0.70 Billion
5. Colombia 0.57 Billion
6. Sudan 0.50 Billion
7. Jordan 0.48 Billion
8. Uganda 0.25 Billion
9. Kenya 0.24 Billion
10. Ethiopia 0.19 Billion
11. South Africa 0.19 Billion
12. Peru 0.19 Billion
13. Indonesia 0.18 Billion
14. Bolivia 0.18 Billion
15. Nigeria 0.18 Billion
16. Zambia 0.18 Billion

source:
CRS Report for Congress: Foreign Aid: An Introductory Overview of U.S.
Programs and Policy Updated January 19, 2005, page 14
http://shelby.senate.gov/legislation/ForeignAid.pdf


Here are the top 16 recipients of U.S. foreign aid for 2004:

1. Iraq 18.44 Billion
2. Israel 2.62 Billion
3. Egypt 1.87 Billion
4. Afghanistan 1.77 Billion
5. Colombia 0.57 Billion
6. Jordan 0.56 Billion
7. Pakistan 0.39 Billion
8. Liberia 0.21 Billion
9. Peru 0.17 Billion
10. Ethiopia 0.16 Billion
11. Bolivia 0.15 Billion
12. Turkey 0.15 Billion
13. Uganda 0.14 Billion
14. Sudan 0.14 Billion
15. Indonesia 0.13 Billion
16. Kenya 0.13 Billion

source:
CRS Report for Congres:: Foreign Aid: An Introductory Overview of U.S.
Programs and Policy, April 15, 2004, page 13
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/trade/files/98-916.pdf


Here are the top 15 recipients of U.S. foreign aid for 2001:

1. Israel 2.82 Billion
2. Egypt 1.987 Billion
3. Jordan 0.227 Billion
4. Kosovo 0.184 Billion
5. Ukraine 0.178 Billion
6. Russia 0.174 Billion
7. Indonesia 0.149 Billion
8. Ethiopia 0.124 Billion
9. India 0.122 Billion
10. Georgia 0.107 Billion
11. Bangladesh 0.101 Billion
12. Serbia 0.10 Billion
13. Peru 0.097 Billion
14. Armenia 0.092 Billion
15. Bosnia 0.089 Billion

CRS Report for Congress: Foreign Aid: An Introductory Overview of U.S.
Programs and Policy Updated April 6, 2001, page 12
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/crs/98-916_010406.pdf

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Who Gets U.S. Foreign Aid
The U.S. will give an estimated $26 billion in foreign aid in 2008—70% more than when President George W. Bush took office (the figure doesn’t include funds related to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan). More than 150 countries get financial assistance from the U.S. Here are the six that received the most this year.

<TABLE style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" class=tableTD border=0 cellSpacing=10 summary="" cellPadding=1 width=599><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=bottom width=110 align=left> COUNTRY </TD><TD vAlign=bottom width=90 align=left>AID </TD><TD vAlign=bottom align=left>PURPOSE </TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>1. Israel </TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$2.4 billion</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>Virtually all of this money is used to buy weapons (up to 75% made in the U.S.). Beginning in 2009, the U.S. plans to give $30 billion over 10 years.</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>2. Egypt </TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$1.7 billion</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$1.3 billion to buy weapons; $103 million for education; $74 million for health care; $45 million to promote civic participation and human rights.</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>3. Pakistan </TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$798 million</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$330 million for security efforts, including military-equipment upgrades and border security; $20 million for infrastructure.</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>4. Jordan </TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$688 million</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$326 million to fight terrorism and promote regional stability through equipment upgrades and training; $163 million cash payment to the Jordanian government.</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>5. Kenya </TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$586 million</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$501 million to fight HIV/AIDS through drug treatment and abstinence education and to combat malaria; $15 million for agricultural development; $5.4 million for programs that promote government accountability.</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>6. South Africa </TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$574 million</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$557 million to fight TB and HIV/AIDS; $3 million for education.</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>7. Mexico </TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$551 million</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>Click here for details.
</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>8. Colombia </TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$541 million</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>Click here for details.</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>9. Nigeria </TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$491 million</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>Click here for details.</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top>10. Sudan </TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>$479 million</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>Click here for details.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 

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