QL hatespeech is anything that's prejudice or disparaging about an entire group. I have nothing against the Muslim religion but you're blind if you think the people in that video have any tolerance of other religions whatsoever.
That is not a demonstration against Israeli action [which is defensive] in Gaza. That is a demonstration against THE EXISTENCE of Israel. And when they're done with Israel they'll burp and come after the rest of us.
I have zero tolerance for uncompromising fanatical thugs. Are they a race?
That is not a demonstration against Israeli action [which is defensive] in Gaza. That is a demonstration against THE EXISTENCE of Israel. And when they're done with Israel they'll burp and come after the rest of us.
I have zero tolerance for uncompromising fanatical thugs. Are they a race?
Scott, I know it's a long read and I didn't read the whole thing at first. But the article seems to be criticizing Zionist leaders, not the entire Jewish population on earth.
In fact, here is a quote from the article:
"We need to drop the ludicrous, childish, labels of Jew and Gentile and Muslim and all this illusory crap and come together in the name of peace and justice for all. There is not a Jewish injustice or a Palestinian injustice, there is simply injustice."
Me either QL. But I read enough to know it's a racist diatribe, even ignoring for a sec the troll that posted it. There are so many blatent falsehoods there I could disect it until dawn. But what for? I'm hot in Hoops and there are 40 games to cap for tomorrow....
The odds of world public opinion turning toward Israel is about the same as me bringing the entire forum to the side of Israel. QL, if Israel listened to 'World Opinion' it would be eviscerated.
I can tell when something is racist vs Jews because my skin starts to itch when I read it. Like when you walk your dog and you feel that squish and you know you just stepped in Dilrod. Same thing!
If Israel were not a Jewish State it would receive a lot less criticism. Agree or disagree? Why do you think that is?
The odds of world public opinion turning toward Israel is about the same as me bringing the entire forum to the side of Israel. QL, if Israel listened to 'World Opinion' it would be eviscerated.
I can tell when something is racist vs Jews because my skin starts to itch when I read it. Like when you walk your dog and you feel that squish and you know you just stepped in Dilrod. Same thing!
If Israel were not a Jewish State it would receive a lot less criticism. Agree or disagree? Why do you think that is?
You're absolutely right, and no one EVER accuses the Israelis of being zionist, every single researcher will tell you it's the Israel government. I know for a fact David Icke will tell you the exact same thing, he would tell you the jews in Israel are wonderful people, no different than you or me. Just like George Bush is an evil cock-sucker but most Americans are good people. Theres a lot of jews that openly protest the zionist controlled Israel.
You see he has "without fear of the mind police" in the header. There's a clear and obvious reason for that, and you sir have demonstrated it with your empty accusations of racism.
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hno: ever notice that jews kill themselves over money, but not over any other thing...........
QL - Kumbaya Kumbaya. Of course, when it comes to people like the author of this article and most of the rest of the world it's only Jewish injustices (I should say perceived Jewish injustices) that generate any outrage at all. Where was CNN/NPR/BBC/the UN et al BEFORE the retaliation when the daily barrage of rockets were landing in Israeli cities?
Is anyone able to be objective on this whole situation?
On one hand you have opinions like the intial article that manages to recite every bit of injustice suffered by the palestians at the hands of Israel, while only dedicating 1 or 2
sentences in denouncing Hamas's actions. Then on the other hand we have Mamatried's version of history which conveniently forgets to mentions Jewish terrorist groups like Lehi who killed innocent people (just like Hamas) to further their cause.
Both sides of this conflict have their share of the blame. For those that criticize Israel for using excessive force, think for a second. If the tables were turned and Hamas and Hezbollah had the the military resources that Israel currently possess you dont think they would use them?! They would bomb the shit out of Telaviv just like Israel are doing to Gaza.
Secretly I think that Hamas and Hezbollah actually welcome these Israeli attacks. In the long term it will only strengthen their position within their communtities meaning more donations and more poor souls that they can brainwash into becoming suicide bombers. Likewise the Israeli goverment benefit too. Is it just a coincidence that their elections are approaching, anybody heard of the politics of fear?
War is great for some and terrible for others. For those that love it they can make great deals of money and consolidate their power. For the rest there is just death and misery. The general population on both sides are pawns, usually manipulated by religion.
On one hand you have opinions like the intial article that manages to recite every bit of injustice suffered by the palestians at the hands of Israel, while only dedicating 1 or 2
sentences in denouncing Hamas's actions. Then on the other hand we have Mamatried's version of history which conveniently forgets to mentions Jewish terrorist groups like Lehi who killed innocent people (just like Hamas) to further their cause.
Both sides of this conflict have their share of the blame. For those that criticize Israel for using excessive force, think for a second. If the tables were turned and Hamas and Hezbollah had the the military resources that Israel currently possess you dont think they would use them?! They would bomb the shit out of Telaviv just like Israel are doing to Gaza.
Secretly I think that Hamas and Hezbollah actually welcome these Israeli attacks. In the long term it will only strengthen their position within their communtities meaning more donations and more poor souls that they can brainwash into becoming suicide bombers. Likewise the Israeli goverment benefit too. Is it just a coincidence that their elections are approaching, anybody heard of the politics of fear?
War is great for some and terrible for others. For those that love it they can make great deals of money and consolidate their power. For the rest there is just death and misery. The general population on both sides are pawns, usually manipulated by religion.
Point taken. I have never and would never contend that either side is completely blameless, although in this ongoing conflict Israel usually has the overwhelming moral high ground IMO.
The implicit theme of the article, and popular misperception on this site and elsewhere (particularly among the far left and assorted Nazi wannabes) is that the state of Israel is somehow illegitimate, that the land was "stolen" from the indigenous Arabs, and that the only claim the Jews have is a biblical one. As one who has studied the history of the region, I was only trying to point out that nothing could be further from the truth.
Understood.
And you are right, Jews have populated that area for many years and rightly deserve their own state. Both sides should agree on the pre '67 borders and get on with it, but like I said before the people in power (on both sides) seem to do everything in their power to resist this.
And you are right, Jews have populated that area for many years and rightly deserve their own state. Both sides should agree on the pre '67 borders and get on with it, but like I said before the people in power (on both sides) seem to do everything in their power to resist this.
I can't understand why anyone would say the leadership of Israel is against peace, or enjoys going to war knowing innocent people will be killed on the other side.
Sorry Alense, you are wrong. There is nothing to be gained from any Israeli leaders by being in a perpetual state of war, be they hawk or dove. That is another media myth.
Israel has made many concessions in hopes of attaining peace. It is the fanatical despots of fundamental Islam that will settle for nothing less than Her complete annihilation that perpetuate these wars.
Sorry Alense, you are wrong. There is nothing to be gained from any Israeli leaders by being in a perpetual state of war, be they hawk or dove. That is another media myth.
Israel has made many concessions in hopes of attaining peace. It is the fanatical despots of fundamental Islam that will settle for nothing less than Her complete annihilation that perpetuate these wars.
Hamas advocates creating an Islamic State, and Israel is a Jewish State. The extremist elements of both factions need to both be wiped off the face of the earth. This isn't 2000 B.C., It's 2009...people need to wake the fuck up and realize we need zero tolerance for religious states. Stupid people can spend their time believing whatever the fucking magic trick religious horseshit they feel like, but it needs to be completely eradicated from government.
Zionists are the most dangerous people in the world. they have the exact same goal of Islamic terrorists, but they are very subtle and more cunning then the other terrorists. How else could a Jewish state being created on land where the Arabs outnumbered the Jews? In less then 20 years they'll again be more Arabs in Israel or Palestine whatever you want to call it. How else can they keep it Jewish state unless they either continue their Apartheid or worse ethnic cleansing. If Jordan/Egypt didn't close their borders they would already drive those Palestinians out.
They are more dangerous because
1) The longer they keep this occupation the more hate Jews will receive around the world. Eventually shit will blow back. How long you think Iran and other muslim countries can be held off from getting nukes. Eventually this 3rd world countries will catch up. You can't keep them down forever. For Israelis terrorist actions more anti-semanist justified or not.
2) Their occupation is giving more supports to terrorists around the muslim world and preventing any sorta of democratic process. If this issue was resolved or eased, the less support terrorist groups like Hamas would receive. It's easy to sign up recruits when you see babies being carried on stretchers. At this rate within 10 years all these middle eastern countries will be run by terrorist organizations like Hamas, which can't be good for the world.
3) Honestly its 21st century. It's time this religion state crap be cut out. Why can't Israel/Palestine be western democracy? 1 person/1vote? World is becoming so interdependent boarders don't matter anymore.
And for those you Israeli supports I have simple question for you. If you don't believe Israel is terrorist state and is just a fun loving democratic state, what is with the settlements? WHY ON EARTH WOULD A PEACEFUL COUNTRY BUILD ON OCCUPIED LAND AND HAVE 100 checkpoints to make live miserable for the occupied people.
They are more dangerous because
1) The longer they keep this occupation the more hate Jews will receive around the world. Eventually shit will blow back. How long you think Iran and other muslim countries can be held off from getting nukes. Eventually this 3rd world countries will catch up. You can't keep them down forever. For Israelis terrorist actions more anti-semanist justified or not.
2) Their occupation is giving more supports to terrorists around the muslim world and preventing any sorta of democratic process. If this issue was resolved or eased, the less support terrorist groups like Hamas would receive. It's easy to sign up recruits when you see babies being carried on stretchers. At this rate within 10 years all these middle eastern countries will be run by terrorist organizations like Hamas, which can't be good for the world.
3) Honestly its 21st century. It's time this religion state crap be cut out. Why can't Israel/Palestine be western democracy? 1 person/1vote? World is becoming so interdependent boarders don't matter anymore.
And for those you Israeli supports I have simple question for you. If you don't believe Israel is terrorist state and is just a fun loving democratic state, what is with the settlements? WHY ON EARTH WOULD A PEACEFUL COUNTRY BUILD ON OCCUPIED LAND AND HAVE 100 checkpoints to make live miserable for the occupied people.
Most of this is correct. I don't believe that leadership of Israel is against peace, and neither does Alense, if I understand him correctly. However, the current offensive, like other military actions before, does benefit the government. There'll be elections soon in Israel, and a war against the Palestines is always good for votes, and it also takes economic and other issues out of the public eye. It's no coincidence that since the start of the war for example the defence minister's party has made significant gains. This, coupled with the fact that such an invasion will most likely strengthen palestinian extremism in the long run, makes it very likely that the current offensive was started and the civilian victims accepted mainly for political benefits.
What world do you live in? You think the UN and world opinion and the US and international media are slanted against the Palestinians? The reason you hear more about Palestinian atrocities is that there are 100 times MORE Palestinian atrocities. How many critical reports did you hear on the news over the past 2 years about the rockets being fired from Gaza into Israel, compared with the current coverage of Israel's retaliation?
