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I've been a baseball fan for along time. This generation has cheated the history of the game. Your right, I can't stand Sosa even if he was a Cub, McGuire, Palmeroid, Bonds, Clemens,or any of them. Griffey did it the right way. Piazza did it the right way. A few others did too. I'm not a fan as much as I was back in the day. Aaron,Mays, Clemente didn't cheat. Koufax didn't cheat, Gibson didn't cheat, Ernie Banks didn't cheat. Mantle didn't cheat.

there is a hell of alot more guys out there that were doing roids than just the few we know about. i dont see how your a baseball fan if you dont like guys for the fact they did roids...if you werent doing roids a few years ago, you were the minority
 
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how are you a fan of baseball at all if you dont like guys because they "cheated"? hell if you werent doing steroids a few years ago, you were the minority. arod was pumping juice before they were testing the players for it as well, and it really wasnt against the rules too much. he's solid on defense and prob one of the best hitters of all time....i've stated before i could care less if these guys are pumping roids. i guess you werent rooting for sosa back in his cubs days? arods grown up alot since he got screwed on the "random, unknown" steroids test leaking out imo

Why do people continue to say this? The use of PED has been against the rules in MLB long before any of these players got caught. The problem is MLB failed to enforce the rule until just recently(2002 I believe) when they finally started drug testing. Its the same as someone driving down the highway at 90 MPH when the speed limit is only 65. Its against the law, but unless the cops are out there enforcing it, anyone can get away with doing it...Players got away with doing steroids for years because MLB refused to enforce the rule until just recently.
 
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I've been a baseball fan for along time. This generation has cheated the history of the game. Your right, I can't stand Sosa even if he was a Cub, McGuire, Palmeroid, Bonds, Clemens,or any of them. Griffey did it the right way. Piazza did it the right way. A few others did too. I'm not a fan as much as I was back in the day. Aaron,Mays, Clemente didn't cheat. Koufax didn't cheat, Gibson didn't cheat, Ernie Banks didn't cheat. Mantle didn't cheat.

How do you know none of these guys cheated? There was no drug testing back then to prove anything. Don't get me wrong, Im not saying they did cheat, but since there was no testing, we will never know for sure...
 

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classic mickelson tank job on the back 9, fires a 40 on the same side tiger shot a 43 on yesterday....thats what i get for putting money on phil
 

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classic mickelson tank job on the back 9, fires a 40 on the same side tiger shot a 43 on yesterday....thats what i get for putting money on phil
This Players course has never been a favorite of either Mickelson or Woods. I would like to walk that course someday just to see why it gives the best players in the world so much trouble. I know there doesn't seem to be any consistent winners on it like Augusta has... So there must be something a little different about the course.
 

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How do you know none of these guys cheated? There was no drug testing back then to prove anything. Don't get me wrong, Im not saying they did cheat, but since there was no testing, we will never know for sure...

The careers of the guys I mentioned all had they're careers deteriorate as age advanced on them. The cheaters didn't. Pretty simple concept.
 

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there is a hell of alot more guys out there that were doing roids than just the few we know about. i dont see how your a baseball fan if you dont like guys for the fact they did roids...if you werent doing roids a few years ago, you were the minority
Your right there was alot more players that were doing it. Doesn't mean I have to be a fan of it right ? its like anything else in life. Certain things happen to change how you feel. I admit I am not as much of a fan in the recent era. I'. a fan of the history of the game and the stats. Half of the guys on the top 20 HR list should not be on it.
 

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He totally bailed out- there is no other way to look at that. It's better without him. Time to hang it up.
 
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The careers of the guys I mentioned all had they're careers deteriorate as age advanced on them. The cheaters didn't. Pretty simple concept.

You totally missed my point. MLB is to blame for the entire steroid era because they did nothing about it to stop it. And if you honestly believe that no one back then cheated, you are very naive. Gaylord Perry wrote a book about how he cheated and he is in the HOF.
 

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You totally missed my point. MLB is to blame for the entire steroid era because they did nothing about it to stop it. And if you honestly believe that no one back then cheated, you are very naive. Gaylord Perry wrote a book about how he cheated and he is in the HOF.

I agree.....You think MLB was gonna stop it when Sosa and Mark were entertaining the fans and blasting HR's.....hell no
 

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This Players course has never been a favorite of either Mickelson or Woods. I would like to walk that course someday just to see why it gives the best players in the world so much trouble. I know there doesn't seem to be any consistent winners on it like Augusta has... So there must be something a little different about the course.

I've never walked the course i have however played the course. It's insanly hard. i played some of the best golf of my life and shot a 89 from the tips. BTW #17 is a pretty easy hole, #18 is way way harder.
 

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I hate it when I bash Bonds, McGwire, Palmeiro, Sosa, et. al and someone chimes in by saying that Mantle, Mays, Rose, etc. 'cheated' by taking greenies, which are basically the equivalent of a NoDoz and a 5 Hour energy today (not to mention all the guys with under the table 'ADHD' prescriptions these days as well). How can anyone look at Mantle and Mays once they hit their late 30's and say they cheated? Mantle abused his body with alcohol to the point where he was basically done at 33 or so, Mays was running circles under fly balls in the '73 series, and Aaron had a beer gut in his late 30's. I highly doubt any of them used performance enhancing drugs. Meanwhile, guys like Bonds and Palmeiro were putting up career seasons at the same age. All of those guys ruined the integrity of the game with their cheating and video game stat padding.

Anyway, back to Tiger. I have strong suspicions that he had a little 'extra help' as well for a few reasons. First, he went from Steven Urkel to completely ripped in a few years. Second, he's been associated with shady doctors, and third, his joints are starting to break down (if the injuries can be believed). Some people, including friends of mine, are huge fanboys of him. They are grown men, and just idolize the guy. I don't get it, I've actually always rooted against him. I've noticed the same thing with Pujols in that his fanboys are over the top (I have suspicions that he 'uses' as well, but that's another thread)
 
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I hate it when I bash Bonds, McGwire, Palmeiro, Sosa, et. al and someone chimes in by saying that Mantle, Mays, Rose, etc. 'cheated' by taking greenies, which are basically the equivalent of a NoDoz and a 5 Hour energy today (not to mention all the guys with under the table 'ADHD' prescriptions these days as well). How can anyone look at Mantle and Mays once they hit their late 30's and say they cheated? Mantle abused his body with alcohol to the point where he was basically done at 33 or so, Mays was running circles under fly balls in the '73 series, and Aaron had a beer gut in his late 30's. I highly doubt any of them used performance enhancing drugs. Meanwhile, guys like Bonds and Palmeiro were putting up career seasons at the same age. All of those guys ruined the integrity of the game with their cheating and video game stat padding.

I disagree with this. MLB ruined the integrity of the game by doing nothing about it when they knew it was happening.
 

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I disagree with this. MLB ruined the integrity of the game by doing nothing about it when they knew it was happening.

Both are culpable in my view- but you're right, the powers that be in post-strike MLB wanted the homers to fly, and they turned a blind eye. I actually give Canseco a lot of credit for cleaning up the game. Say what you want about him, but he's been pretty much dead on with his accusations.
 

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You totally missed my point. MLB is to blame for the entire steroid era because they did nothing about it to stop it. And if you honestly believe that no one back then cheated, you are very naive. Gaylord Perry wrote a book about how he cheated and he is in the HOF.

I could care less who was to blame. Fact is, it did happen and thats why I have lost alot of respect for baseball no matter who is to blame.
 

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I hate it when I bash Bonds, McGwire, Palmeiro, Sosa, et. al and someone chimes in by saying that Mantle, Mays, Rose, etc. 'cheated' by taking greenies, which are basically the equivalent of a NoDoz and a 5 Hour energy today (not to mention all the guys with under the table 'ADHD' prescriptions these days as well). How can anyone look at Mantle and Mays once they hit their late 30's and say they cheated? Mantle abused his body with alcohol to the point where he was basically done at 33 or so, Mays was running circles under fly balls in the '73 series, and Aaron had a beer gut in his late 30's. I highly doubt any of them used performance enhancing drugs. Meanwhile, guys like Bonds and Palmeiro were putting up career seasons at the same age. All of those guys ruined the integrity of the game with their cheating and video game stat padding.

Anyway, back to Tiger. I have strong suspicions that he had a little 'extra help' as well for a few reasons. First, he went from Steven Urkel to completely ripped in a few years. Second, he's been associated with shady doctors, and third, his joints are starting to break down (if the injuries can be believed). Some people, including friends of mine, are huge fanboys of him. They are grown men, and just idolize the guy. I don't get it, I've actually always rooted against him. I've noticed the same thing with Pujols in that his fanboys are over the top (I have suspicions that he 'uses' as well, but that's another thread)
Great overall post ! Some in here will still argue with it
 
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I disagree with this. MLB ruined the integrity of the game by doing nothing about it when they knew it was happening.

Both are culpable in my view- but you're right, the powers that be in post-strike MLB wanted the homers to fly, and they turned a blind eye. I actually give Canseco a lot of credit for cleaning up the game. Say what you want about him, but he's been pretty much dead on with his accusations.

agree 100% with that statement
 
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I could care less who was to blame. Fact is, it did happen and thats why I have lost alot of respect for baseball no matter who is to blame.

I boycotted baseball years ago when all the steroids BS came out. Don't go to games and don't watch it on TV. I also lost all respect for baseball. But I will always blame Selig and the owners for letting it go as far as it did. I honestly believe the only reason something was done was because Bonds broke the record and since Selig is a friend of Aaron and hates Bonds, he decided to finally do something about it....thats just my opinion
 

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I think the publishing of 'Juiced', with Palmeiro's positive piss test right on it's heels forced Selig to get off his ass and pushed the Mitchell Report along. Now, lets waterboard Greg Anderson in order to get that asterisk next to Barroid's name in the record books.
 
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I think the publishing of 'Juiced', with Palmeiro's positive piss test right on it's heels forced Selig to get off his ass and pushed the Mitchell Report along. Now, lets waterboard Greg Anderson in order to get that asterisk next to Barroid's name in the record books.

Will NEVER happen
 

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