Tied 1-1 In The Series Anyone Want Miami At +240?

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Yeah. A team like Milwaukee will be low because no new money after losing 1st round.

What would be interesting is the money being bet before play-offs started.
I'll see what I can find. Good point that you make
 

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I wouldn’t be shocked if Denver won tomorrow night obviously but seems more likely that Miami wins
 

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I wouldn’t be shocked if Denver won tomorrow night obviously but seems more likely that Miami wins
If Miami wins tomorrow no doubt they can win this series and perhaps easily.

They have Denver's full attention now. Denver will never come back from 3-1. Won't be like Boston. It won't be close.
 

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I am sticking with 5. I think Denver in two somewhat competitive games and a blow out win game 5.

But obviously my thoughts are prejudice to what I WANT to happen.
 

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I am sticking with 5. I think Denver in two somewhat competitive games and a blow out win game 5.

But obviously my thoughts are prejudice to what I WANT to happen.
It's one of those series where everything is on the table

I just think the theme of the playoffs is that Miami has been sort of underrated the whole time. Like not to take anything away from Denver but I don't see how we can objectively look at these two teams and conclude that Denver is FAR better than Miami

Better? Yes, Denver is a little better IMO. But this felt like a long series to me. I initially said Denver in 7 but switched to Miami 7 just before the series started
 

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Yeah. A team like Milwaukee will be low because no new money after losing 1st round.

What would be interesting is the money being bet before play-offs started.
All I could find is this on May 8th after the playoffs had started. Playoffs started April 15 so not entirely accurate before the playoffs started more than likely.
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Yeah me also. As you stated it may not have looked like that at the start of the playoffs but I guess it's a possibility. Maybe cause they were the 4th team in the odds market to win it all if I remember correctly. I believe they were almost 10-1 to win finals at the start of playoffs
 

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It's one of those series where everything is on the table

I just think the theme of the playoffs is that Miami has been sort of underrated the whole time. Like not to take anything away from Denver but I don't see how we can objectively look at these two teams and conclude that Denver is FAR better than Miami

Better? Yes, Denver is a little better IMO. But this felt like a long series to me. I initially said Denver in 7 but switched to Miami 7 just before the series started
To be fair though isn't Miami still getting graded on a curve? Isn't curve grading what we do for teams that really aren't very good.

I see Miami getting talked about for having the most play-offs wins the last 4 seasons. If this wasn't a team graded on a curve would that that be celebrated? If this was the Lakers and they had the most play-offs wins in the last 4 seasons and 0 Championships would we hear about "Lakers Culture?" If this was Milwaukee and Giannis you sure you wouldn't be making fun of Giannis having 0 rings but most play-off wins? ;)

Would Lebron be called play-off Lebron if he was 33 with 0 rings? Or would that be mocked. Even Play-off Rondo had a championship under his belt.

Jimmy and Miami are getting graded on a curve because Jimmy is viewed as good and not great and Miami is viewed as simply an okay team.
 

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Miami was a 1 seed last year. Lost on their home floor in a game 7.

Boston or Millwaukee do that they get crushed. Miami gets a "thatta boy to even make it that far."

Just pointing out if Miami is actually a good team why the curve on their team and Play-off Jimmy?"
 

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I was pretty surprised Denver let Miami off the mate when both up 15 and than up 8 going into 4th. Miami has obviously done enough to this point to prove they aren't a team to be taken lightly.

When your up 15 control pace work shot clock, when your up 8 make 18 control pace. Coaching is if 20% players decide. In college different see the pro's opposite... Denver opened window now they need to slam.. 1st quarter tomorrow over total!
 

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To be fair though isn't Miami still getting graded on a curve? Isn't curve grading what we do for teams that really aren't very good.

I see Miami getting talked about for having the most play-offs wins the last 4 seasons. If this wasn't a team graded on a curve would that that be celebrated? If this was the Lakers and they had the most play-offs wins in the last 4 seasons and 0 Championships would we hear about "Lakers Culture?" If this was Milwaukee and Giannis you sure you wouldn't be making fun of Giannis having 0 rings but most play-off wins? ;)

Would Lebron be called play-off Lebron if he was 33 with 0 rings? Or would that be mocked. Even Play-off Rondo had a championship under his belt.

Jimmy and Miami are getting graded on a curve because Jimmy is viewed as good and not great and Miami is viewed as simply an okay team.
Miami was a 1 seed last year. Lost on their home floor in a game 7.

Boston or Millwaukee do that they get crushed. Miami gets a "thatta boy to even make it that far."

Just pointing out if Miami is actually a good team why the curve on their team and Play-off Jimmy?"
Miami is a good team, but they don't have a ton of individual talent/don't have the roster that a Boston or Milwaukee, fore example, has. Classic case of a team is collectively greater than the sum of their individual parts, and I think those teams can tend to fly under the radar a little more.

That said, they are good enough to warrant more respect from oddsmakers. They are not as good as those teams mentioned but they are close enough to where the prices have been a little bit off in basically every series they've been a part of in recent history.

You also have to take into account their competition. There just haven't been many juggernaut teams in the league lately. Milwaukee, Boston, and Denver aren't great teams, albeit they're very good. So even a flawed team like Miami can go on runs on like this, have some somewhat sustainable success because they are playing against other flawed teams.
 

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To continue my rant---there is something to say when you set the bar so low nobody expects anything from you....

If Miami had lost in 5 games in 1st round. Butler nor Spo lose anything off their reps as that is what was expected. They literally fell from the 1 seed to just barely making play offs and nobody blinked an eye at Butler or Spo.

So the question remains. why if this team is suppose to be viewed a legit NBA title contender that their bar is always so low. Even as the 1 seed last year nobody thought much of them and some how losing in a conference finals on your home court was viewed by many as a successful season.
 

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As for Jimmy, I think people like him because of his style/fact that he just isn't that flashy or gets that much attention.

He is obviously not as good as a LeBron-type or a top 5 player, so he's never going to get the criticism one of those guys gets.
 

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So the question remains. why if this team is suppose to be viewed a legit NBA title contender that their bar is always so low. Even as the 1 seed last year nobody thought much of them and some how losing in a conference finals on your home court was viewed by many as a successful season.
You can be a legit title contender, even if you're flawed, in a league with zero truly great teams

This ain't 2017. Denver and Miami would both get annihilated by those Warriors (or Cavs)
 

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You can be a legit title contender, even if you're flawed, in a league with zero truly great teams

This ain't 2017. Denver and Miami would both get annihilated by those Warriors (or Cavs)
But they aren't. My point was if the league is so watered down why is nothing expected fron you? Every season?

As a 1 seed there aren't a serious team and this year they weren't a serious team. Just by the fact Spo nor Butler lose anything off their reps if they lose in 5 to Milwaukee. Unless u disagree AV?
 

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This is why i don't get why few get upset when I say this is real 8 seed. They are...

They went from a 1 seed(that nobody respected) and fell to an 8 seed and nobody blinked an eye. A normal fall like this in the NBA with no real play movement and the coach and star player or talked about in firings and trades.

Everyone understood the 1 seed was the aberration not the 8 seed.
 

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Miami +2
 

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They win a championship i eat my words. They lose again and if we aren't grading on a curve it shouldn't be applauded.

I'll applauded them because I think they way overachiever of what they are---which is a lower middle of the pack basketball team.
 

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