THE TRUTH BEHIND DIAMOND SPORTS

PatrickMcIrish · Jun 13, 2003

Hammy - first off I'm not upset at all. Probably shouldn't admit it but I was sort of laughing when I read this. Not sure why you think people will get upset with you for having an opinion on something. I'm not angry at you for speaking on things, what gives you that idea? I can only speak for me but it doesn't bother me at all if we stay away from personal attacks and things like that. The last thing I want to do is stem the tide of people having their own thoughts.

On this particular case I'm just saying I don't know who else can engage you other than Ken. If I see something to argue you with you about then I will bring it up. The fact is the employees of a site like this aren't experts on off-shore with a ton of contacts, Ken has that stuff so he usually writes on these things. He wrote the story you are upset about and I don't feel right trying to answer for him. Right now with Ken out of town I can't say anything about who he did or did not talk to. All I could do is speak without knowing what I am talking about, do that enough already. If you really think this is something you want an answer on wait and get it from the horses mouth, just wait until he returns.

If you're on a mission for justice but only bark at the fence when the junkyard dogs are gone it appears you are only doing it for show. 'Nuff said.

hamneggs · Jun 13, 2003

Come on guy, every Jack and Joe can get online these days

Where the hell does Ken stay that he can't log onto a computer? Wait...don't say it, lol

The truth is that I am not looking for an argument at all. I am presenting another "take" on the "truth" of the matter. If you don't believe it, fine.

bottom line = nobody is gonna argue that there are two sides to the story and you clearly got ONE of them in the first post of this thread. Furthermore, it was and still is OBVIOUS that the truth of a multi bookie dispute is NOT best learned by only speaking to ONE bookie.

I look at the title of this thread and the first post and I just shake my head...it is/was very bad judgment in my opinion. Deleting the Bodog thread was bad judgmenet too, but do you wanna stuff it behind closed doors or acknowledge it??

btw, I did NOT bump this thread..was happy to let it fall back. It came up on the front page and SLIM is posting proverbs about telling the truth...sounds like I am not the only one who can smell fishy water.

This Forum is really going downhill with the editing, deleting of threads and posts and movement of stuff to joke forums. I can make a list of the embarrasing threads, posts and forums that have been deleted, and each one was deleted to save face. It is insulting (to intelligent people) when this occurs repeatedly. For instance, take General's thread on BML that was locked earlier today. Look at the Wager's Paradise thread (locked), Sirbet (locked), the NAB Forum (deleted), the Bodog thread (deleted)...shall we keep going?? Is that what u want?

Maybe the funniest thing is to listen to the BS reasons for locking. It is a "dead" thread, etc.. and we all know that the truth is to save face...like we don't know the truth.

hamneggs · Jun 13, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by -SLIM-:
"A man who lies to himself, and believes his own lies, becomes unable to recognize truth, either in himself or in anyone else, and he ends up losing respect for himself and for others. When he has no respect for anyone, he can no longer love, and in him, he yields to his impulses, indulges in the lowest form of pleasure, and behaves in the end like an animal in satisfying his vices. And it all comes from lying-to others and to yourself."

Fyodor Dostoyevsky<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

thanks for the quote

PatrickMcIrish · Jun 13, 2003

Okay Ham, thanks. Your points have been noted. We will try and do better.....

dogball · Jun 13, 2003

I think that slim quote is from a short novel
The Gambler
Is it?

truthteller · Jun 14, 2003

Hamm,

Look at this thread that I posted that they put in the out house (surprise). I asked Shrink why he didn't change the title of his article but he avoided it.

http://therxforum.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=100090022&f=99510111&m=63610911

Pat, Hamneggs is 100% correct in all his statements. What a title and a joke to an article when you are getting the story from one side of the fence.

go2guy · Jun 14, 2003

Hammy, I applaud your effort in pressing the issue to "get to the bottom of the story" and some of the parts you brought up were valid IMO but for some reason I feel that the questions you ask will never be truthfully answered so you might be best served just reading between the lines which I did and pressing on.

GringoinCR · Jun 14, 2003

Ham, let me ask the best question of all.

Who the hell cares?

PatrickMcIrish · Jun 14, 2003

Truth - your thread got booted down to the Outhouse because no one gave a damn besides you about who would beat who up. Some guy was looking for you and you in turn was going to beat the piss out of him if you caught him. That was some important stuff there, can't imagine why that would get moved. Must have been us hiding something huh? The fact is Ken can answer for himself but here's what he told you once already....

>>> posted June 06, 2003 10:17 PM
truthteller,

Looking out for gamblers is something we have always taken pride in doing...

Although I feel awful about hearing YOUR side to what happened, we are not a labor board and we have never been asked to mediate owner/employee issues...

It's really not something we have any experience in dealing with either..

We have given you and other employees of Diamond Sports every opportunity to tell YOUR SIDE of what happened on this forum...

Other than that, I don't know what you are asking of us to do...

Thank you for sharing your side to the story...

THE SHRINK<<<

Doesn't sound like he was ignoring you to me. Sounds more like he wouldn't do or say what you wanted him to and you are upset about it. You are mad with Diamond for not taking care of their employees the way they should according to you, you have made that clear and some agree with you. Others have said they just want to know whether or not their funds are safe or not. They appreciated the article from Ken. I know that's not want you want to hear but people are funny that way, they look out after themselves. I think Ken was quite clear we are not here to monitor employer /employee concerns down in Costa Rica. We will be the first to say we aren't designed for that nor do we even attempt to do so. By just attempting to watch for players funds is more than enough to keep us busy. Ken went out and dug this story up on his own trying to make people who have a financial interest in Diamond have some more data to make their own decisions with. Nothing wrong with that in my book whether or not you agree with the title or not.

I have also said it is nice to get all sides to a story but how often does that happen. You think reading the major papers in the US you are hearing all sides of a story? In a perfect world you would never say or write anything without being able to present all sides to every story. In reality it not only isn't feasible it is not realistic. Shrink wrote what he wrote aimed towards the safety of players money there. He didn't make an editorial on whether or not what DSI did to the employees was right or did he question the April Employee of the Month choice either. There is nothing left to be said here except you want everyone to agree with you and until that happens you will be upset about it. If you worked there I am genuinely sorry you lost your job. Truth is the article was not geared towards a commentary from Ken on whether or not DSI has handled things the way he would have. Just trying to let posters know what he was able to find out on the big picture - their money! Then if someone feels all sides weren't presented by all means come speak your peace. This thread has over 85 posts and nearly 3000 views and no one has tried to shut you up yet.

In closing like most issues the readers decide for themselves, we're all big boys here. On this case it is clear until Ken sees it your way and retracts everything to your liking you will be unhappy. We like you man but the reality is we can't play these games on all these issues, you have made your mind up and no matter how much you hate it others will form their own opinions. I am quite sure you have done well in being heard here, you can't force anyone to agree with you. It is noteworthy to point out DSI is not an advertiser here in any way shape or form. There was nothing to gain by this except trying to help out. Look around and see how many other sites made a post about it. The reason is because there are always a million and one agendas out there and nothing said will make everyone happy. Was nice to hear all of them in my view, even yours. 'Nuff said.

JoeyC · Jun 14, 2003

Patrick:

Is there a "yawn" avitar somewhere?

PatrickMcIrish · Jun 14, 2003

I hear you JC, I just think everyone is entitled to a response of some sort. Everyone has an opinion so I try and understand what it is they are trying to get across.

I already know there is nothing I can say to change their mind but I feel obligated to answer in some fashion. I think both these guys are just passionate in what they believe so it's hard for me to get upset with them. I've been known to get fired up from time to time myself.

JoeyC · Jun 14, 2003

Patrick:

With all the potential for lost jobs due to possible SB exit's from CR, I would expect a host of folks to post - I was canned and the book is a piece of shit blah blah blah.

Fact is folks, clerks and low/mid level mamagers are working for books, most of whom do not even pay taxes and NOT "IBM" types of companies, so they really shouldn't expect to receive a host of seperation benefits if the axe falls.

truthteller · Jun 14, 2003

First of all, I never worked for DSI. I have visited their offices a few times. I know 3 ex-employees who worked for them, one of them a very good friend here in CR.

Pat, they could have easily deleted those posts in that thread instead of putting it in the outhouse. But no big deal.

Now, I see since you have joined the team here on the RX, you are very apprehensive in criticising Ken. I guess it's paying off for him that he hired you.

Don't you see anything wrong with the heading of the article "THE TRUTH BEHIND DIAMOND SPORTS". I do not care a rats ass if CNN or the New York times don't give both sides of the story, does that make it right he didn't in his article? I am constanly amazed at people trying to justify one wrong with another. It's even more amazing coming from you when this could in reality affect bettors getting stiffed by this company. If they stiff their employees do you think it's far fetched they wouldn't stiff bettors? Stiffing is stiffing, I don't care if it's your employees, players or advertisers. That's why I would never tell anyone to play at Bodog since they stiffed MW.

That article is giving the wrong impression of what kind of people run DSI.

It's kind of upsetting that posters here don't see anything wrong with employees getting stiffed but everyone has their opinion. These people should continue playing with DSI and as they so what goes around comes around.

hamneggs · Jun 14, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Shrink wrote what he wrote aimed towards the safety of players money there. He didn't make an editorial on whether or not what DSI did to the employees was right or did he question the April Employee of the Month choice either. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pat, should we pull the quotes that lend one to believe that DSI took good care of their employees.

Sad to see a guy like you sell out so fast, Pat.

Look at what time it is..the clock almost says "lock" or "delete" or "edit"

Just to give you an idea of what you can and can't take from the horse's mouth, try this thread LINK

PatrickMcIrish · Jun 14, 2003

I needed the money Ham, had no choice.

Good thread overall in my opinion, not being facetious either. Think people will draw their own conclusions. We are happy to have brought this out for the readers......

Now GO PHILLY!!!!! Still need to pay this moped off.

hamneggs · Jun 14, 2003

You mind if I start a "DSI SLOW PAY" thread on the front page??

How about "DSI SLOW PAY GAMBLERS AND EMPLOYEES"??

How about "THE BULLLSH*T ABOUT DSI" with a link to this thread?

Looks likd SurfRat and I were both slow paid

I know that you want SOMETHING about the slow pays that have been reported in this thread

After all, you are lookin' out for the player

hamneggs · Jun 14, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Patrick McIrish:
I needed the money Ham, had no choice.

Good thread overall in my opinion, not being facetious either. Think people will draw their own conclusions. We are happy to have brought this out for the readers......

Now _GO PHILLY!!!!!_ Still need to pay this moped off.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just funny how you run STRAIGHT to the defense of Ken when it is SO obvious that his story is one sided and misleading.

You would not have done that before you worked here

That is selling out, IMO

A month ago you would have been happy to get more information about a sportsbook. Now you seek to discredit it or defend Ken at every turn, regardless of what is right/wrong = sold out

It's ok though..how do you expect to fit in with the rest of the lackeys if you don't sell out as well

Buzzsaw · Jun 14, 2003

This is a classic read between the Shrinks lines thread. When it all comes crashing down, and it will, the DSI defenders will be the first to say "See I told you they were in trouble".

dogball · Jun 14, 2003

One point I clearly agree on with Ham + Truth is that the way the story is framed is misleading and the lack of any appearance as promised by DSI undermines there credibility.

That being said, Rx does deserve credit for even investigating the story, they are not in business to address labor disputes and the info provided is important.

Good job to both sides on this one

hamneggs · Jun 14, 2003

While you are trying to sort out the "truth" about what you hear, do consider the following.

The General's BML Thread

This is where he admitted that his decision to advertise a book on The Rx is strictly a matter of money (thread status = locked and moved to OUTHOUSE) The General At His Best

Wager's Paradise Thread

Wouldn't want anyone to remember this thread (thread status = locked)

NAB FORUM

Maybe if we just delete the whole forum and ban every single poster that posted in there, THEN people will forget that we shilled for these stiffs (forum status= deleted)

BODOG Thread

Damn that Irishman, just delete that thread..we'll show him! (thread status = deleted)

And the list goes on...just very strange that you do not see IRISH thanking anyone for adding information to this thread. It is all about defending the indefensible position that was taken in the first post.

Forget about the "truth"