THE TRUTH BEHIND DIAMOND SPORTS

hamneggs · Jun 13, 2003

Very true

This thread is a crock

It is obviously a two sided story, and the "truth" is not going to be provided by only giving DSI's side of the story. Duh, don't even call Robby to get his side..REAL accurate reporting there!! LOL

I actually got slow paid by DSI several years ago

They might be solid now, who knows?

Look at the first post in this thread...I could rip that post from here to Uranus

truthteller · Jun 13, 2003

The truth is DSI pay their players but stiff their employees. THAT'S THE TRUTH!!

Some posters think that's ok though.

hamneggs · Jun 13, 2003

I have been paid by DSI twice

BOTH times a slow pay

First time I got a misprinted check

Second time I was told that there are "technical difficulties" with Neteller. I knew that it was a slow pay..I asked Meteller about it and they told me it was a crock of sh*t.

It is harder and harder to believe the shit that I read and hear on these sites...SO much is driven by the advertising dollar. It is almost a joke to even post info about a book

It is SO obvious to any half wit that there are two sides (at least) to this DSI story. To post one side (with NO attempt whatsoever to represent the other side, even despite the phone # for Robbie posted in this thread) is just a joke in itself, and that is plain to see.

SurfRat · Jun 13, 2003

I was slow paid with that same Neteller execuse 2 separate times so I moved on.

wanderer · Jun 13, 2003

I got a prompt payment today which is more than I can say about other books. Bet PreGame(Diamond) is the best out there IMO.

hamneggs · Jun 13, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by SurfRat:
I was slow paid with that same Neteller execuse 2 separate times so I moved on.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good post, Surfrat

Some of these slow pay shops like DSI have deep pockets..but they still don't like to pay out. Interesting that DSI gave you the Neteller runaround as well...and mine was small money, a bit over a dime on the DSI slow pay.

hamneggs · Jun 13, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by wanderer:
I got a prompt payment today which is more than I can say about other books. Bet PreGame(Diamond) is the best out there IMO.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The best books out there don't slow pay..

And they have enough integrity to pay their employees what they are owed...without requiring them to sign away future claims.

I am sure that they will rehire them for NFL Season..oh yeah right!!

hamneggs · Jun 13, 2003

Why ask someone to sign away their future claims unless you are trying to scam them? Just pay them what they are owed and leave it at that. What's with this BS??

Jazz · Jun 13, 2003

The same happens at a lot of reputable American companies, including the biggest - it's to prevent the employee from filing a lawsuit, which they of course have the right to do if they don't sign the agreement to get the money. For example, I know someone who had a lot of years at a huge oil company who was recently 'down-sized', and in return for over a year of severance pay and pension benefits, he had to sign a very similar document. A company's way to cleanly sever a relationship without fear of future litigation over the job termination.

dogball · Jun 13, 2003

Ham
Got to respect that detective work.

JAZZ- You are correct, but in those circumstances, the party is not forced to sign the same day with the threat of not being paid if they do not and really do have independent counsel. It is a civilized transaction, now whether or not this has anything to do with the shops ability to pay bettors is another matter.

SurfRat · Jun 13, 2003

My payouts were both for $500. That should have been no problem, but it took 3 days and like 5 phone calls each time.

hamneggs · Jun 13, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jazz:
The same happens at a lot of reputable American companies, including the biggest - it's to prevent the employee from filing a lawsuit, which they of course have the right to do if they don't sign the agreement to get the money. For example, I know someone who had a lot of years at a huge oil company who was recently 'down-sized', and in return for over a year of severance pay and pension benefits, he had to sign a very similar document. A company's way to cleanly sever a relationship without fear of future litigation over the job termination.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you read SHRINK'S post, it sounds like DSI might hire them again for NFL season. If not for the settlement doc above, one might even believe that.

We are talking about a sportsbook that supposedly has deep pockets and their willingness to pay clerks what they are OWED. If you log onto vegasintl.com you will see the following:

"Due to recent personnel changes (loss of long time employee Robbie “Diamond” McPhail and sidekick “Paulie”.."

Calling Paulie a "sidekick" of Robbie? How unprofessional is that? And folks...THIS is what DSI is like--they are NOT professional and they do NOT pay fast. They may have pockets deeper than the Dead Sea, but they do NOT like to pay you that coin! See above, a slow pay on 500 to Surfrat, wait 2 slow pays to Surf Rat, two to me as well. Small money we r talking about!

People can decide for themselves whether or not it is honorable to force a clerk to sign a settlement doc so that they can put food on their table..real classy DSI you slow paying bastards!!

Halifax · Jun 13, 2003

"Due to recent personnel changes (loss of long time employee Robbie “Diamond” McPhail and sidekick “Paulie”.."
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That is a pretty greasy message, isn't it

hamneggs · Jun 13, 2003

Quote in part by THE SHRINK <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> This morning, I spoke with Stretch, one of two main men behind Diamond. I asked him a lot of questions and found him to be forthright and direct.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let me translate this. It means that he got one side of the story this morning and it is entirely unnecessary to do any more research now that one side of the story has been obtained. Forget that there are lots of rumors floating around, THIS guy is forthright and is telling the truth..THIS is the truth, LOL.

hamneggs · Jun 13, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> “Its business today as usual,” Stretch said. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Still slow paying I assume?

Can't forget about the hoard of employees that you just laid off while dangling their checks in front of them until they swore in front of a notary that "I am completely satisfied."

I really hope that was the exception and not "business as usual."

btw Stretch, are you guys still using the old Neteller excuse (unverifiable technical problems)..might be time to come up with a new one ya think??

hamneggs · Jun 13, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> In the case of Diamond Sports, it downsized by letting go 50-60 clerks. Given this is the cold season for sports books, it is not surprising to let employees go for a few months and then rehire them once football starts. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But in light of the settlement agreement that I posted on p. 2, do you REALLY think that they are gonna rehire these clerks?? Doubt it.

hamneggs · Jun 13, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> What it did was take the high road offering all their clerks and other employees compensation when they were terminated. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What about the settlement agreement on page 2??

Wow, they paid the wages that were due! What a sign of a GREAT SPORTSBOOK!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Costa Rica has very strict laws regarding workmen compensation and what employers must follow when they fire an employee.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So this means that BECAUSE there are strict laws, it is entirely inconceivable that DSI is breaking it. It is further impossible that their former employees have received less than they were entitled to. Notice that the employees were not represented by counsel, but DSI obtained experienced counsel to draft documents which clerks would be forced to sign in order to put food on their tables.

Yep, two sides to this story!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Diamond Sports met these legal obligations, or they would not be permitted to do business in Costa Rica. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right, and if hamneggs had ever broken the law then he would be in jail. It really does follow that every company who is in business is operating in full compliance with all applicable law.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Sure, there will be disgruntled employees who have a right to be upset, but there are other recourses available to them if they are not happy with the manner in which Diamond Sports behaved during the downsizing of its company.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DSI former employees can always sue later if they were robbed in fact. Imagine having to sue for every penny that you were ever owed. Their "other recourses" are to sue, sue and sue...doesn't help put food on the table tonight does it?? DSI knows that which is why they dangled out less than they were rightfully owed and made them sign away any future claim.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> The average sports book clerk makes four-to-five times above the medium salary in Costa Rica. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't feel sorry for these clerks, folks. They make a killing...don't worry about them.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Furthermore, for each year they work, they are compensated one month of additional pay. Lastly, all employees were paid on Monday, according to Stretch. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How do you know that? OH, because you got one side of the story and that MUST be the TRUTH. LOL!!!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> It is also important to stress that not only have all of Diamond’s customers been paid in a timely manner through this transition, but other elite sports books are more that willing to do transfers with Diamond. This list includes CRIS, Grande, Delmar and Rio.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have been slow paid 2 out of 2 times that I got a payout from DSI. Surfrat posted above that he got slow paid twice on a $500 payout.

I hope that CRIS would do a funds transfer with a shop in the same office as them.

I called Grande and they don't do transfers with DSI

I called RIO and they don't do transfers with DSI I was told, but then I got an email several days later stating that RIO will do transfers with them

DSI told me that they do transfers with Hollywood, but that was also a LIE.

bottom line = I would not trust this shop

I am sorry to put a dent in your version of the truth, Ken. It is very obvious to me that this thread only had one side of the story. Maybe you were not intending to post "the truth" in your first post, but you wanted it to come out later int this thread?? I dunnno.

I realize that you think that this is a safe shop. They may be safe; I wouldn't wanna play there again. As far as what happened with their employees, maybe you should have just left that alone entirely. You don't really know what they were or were not paid, and maybe it doesn't matter to the rest of this forum. I have to comment when I see something that is obviously incomplete as this was.

PatrickMcIrish · Jun 13, 2003

Hammy - sit down and smoke a bowl, LOL.

Shrink talked to you about this at length I thought, what's the purpose of bringing this up when you know he is away? Anyway it looks like it isn't over with you but give Ken until Monday or so to answer these comments. I don't want to get in the middle of this as I know less than both of you about any of this. He'll be out of town until then so don't get too upset over it, just talk about it when he returns.

Hope you are doing okay sir.

hamneggs · Jun 13, 2003

There are two sides to the story

This is not about smoking a bowl or not smoking a bowl

Any half witted sane person who looks at this situation KNOWS that "the truth" is not going to be found by speaking to ONE of the bookies involved when there are at least 3 other bookies with an opposing view

I realize the temptation to assume that the guy with the most $$$ is the one telling the truth.

I am not looking for Ken's response, you are right. I have spoken to him about this, you are correct. We only spoke about the proposition that DSI bettors are safe. I accepted it at the time.

Should I not mention that I have been slow paid by them?? Kinda strange that Surf Rat got the same "technical difficulty" story that I got...don't ya think??

Once again, you can NOT present "the truth" of a dispute among bookies by presenting ONE bookie's side of the story...even if that is the bookie with the deepest pockets.

It is OBVIOUS that there is another side to the story..and to ignore Robbie's phone # sitting right there is completely absurd.

There is nothing to be upset about if you are TRULY interested in learning the truth about DSI Sportsbook. If you only wanted to hear the shaded version, then you are upset

Pat, I'm not sure how you have overlooked this..I even emailed you and pointed out Rob's number. Do you dispute that there are two sides (at least) to the story and that you can't get after the truth by listening to ONE bookie's version? Do you want the truth or what is going on here??

Sorry Pat, your post really bugs me. Sounds like you are posting to the person and not the post, IMO.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> what's the purpose of bringing this up when you know he is away? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Should I save it on a word file and "post to him" when he lands safely?

Maybe we should have a sign in/sign out sheet so that we don't post to people while they are gone. Pat, i hate to say it guy..but I am seeing sell out signs.

Halifax · Jun 13, 2003

At best, this is an inappropriately-titled thread.

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What happened to their rep who was supposed to give us the low down within two days :

"We have invited Diamond Sports to have a representative answer any additional questions gamblers may have in our posting forum. Diamond has promised me as soon as its move is completed and things aren't as hectic for them during this process, they will be more than happy to accommodate patrons of this site. We expect this to occur within two days."