it's very sad for anyone to be raped and very wrong. but there have been many other's who have made it through such circumstances w the help of those who have had the same done to them. through support groups and therapy most will regain their lives back. giving in to taking your own life only let's the rapists win one more time which is worse yet....i pray for your friend and their family for having to go through such a tragic experience...
Judgement of people who take their own lives.
IMHO there are times when suicide is completly understandable and would be something I would definitely consider.
I am talking about circumstances when you are dying already from a drawn out extremely painful death such as stage four terminal brain cancer that is totally un-treatable and leaves you in constant agony with zero quality of life. Under those circumstances I myself would consider ending my own suffering. This kind of suicide is a somethng I can understand.
In other words the Dr Kervorkian controversial assisted suicide concept. When all that is left is a few months of miserable and constantly severely painful living while you wait to die. By ending your suffering sooner than later you actually do your loved ones a favor.
Watching someone you love suffer a painful, lingering and at times burdensome (as far as the person who is dieing thinks they are) death is a more painful experience for family and other loved ones to endure than a quick and painless suicide would be. In other words Euthanasia, very controversial I know, with many different arguments for and against.
When if it comes down to having to take your own life by suicide under the circumstances I mentioned above, I believe an adult with with a fair amount of his or her faculties left in tact should be able to choose not to suffer and cause their families to see that suffering. I am not talking about a case such as the Terry Schiavo court case type of situation.
Euthanasia defined as "a deliberate intervention undertaken with the express intention of ending a life, to relieve intractable suffering", is IMO not a cowardly act by the person ending his or her life. In fact it probably takes a lot of courage.
Normally when healthy or at least not terminally ill rationally thinking people commit suicide they have other motives for their actions.
Whatever caused the Weitzners to do what they did is a mystery that most of us will never know the answer to.
The reasons for the tragic situation that motivated The Weitzners to do what they did will be speculated on and about by many for a long time but as it stands right now most of us on these forums really have no clue as to what those motives really were...I know I have no idea why they did what they did.
I refuse to judge them on that basis, everyone has a right to their own opinion about whether or not suicide is a cowardly act. Mine is until all the facts are known I have no right to cast judgement on the deceased simply because I have no idea why they did what they did.
I am confident the suicides were not because they lost some cash betting basketball games. Being in debt no matter how much money is involved can be dealt with using less drastic solutions. Millions of Americans owe billions of dollars, there are alternatives other than suicide that can deal with heavy debt and I am sure the intelligent people involved in this matter knew that.
wilheim
IMHO there are times when suicide is completly understandable and would be something I would definitely consider.
I am talking about circumstances when you are dying already from a drawn out extremely painful death such as stage four terminal brain cancer that is totally un-treatable and leaves you in constant agony with zero quality of life. Under those circumstances I myself would consider ending my own suffering. This kind of suicide is a somethng I can understand.
In other words the Dr Kervorkian controversial assisted suicide concept. When all that is left is a few months of miserable and constantly severely painful living while you wait to die. By ending your suffering sooner than later you actually do your loved ones a favor.
Watching someone you love suffer a painful, lingering and at times burdensome (as far as the person who is dieing thinks they are) death is a more painful experience for family and other loved ones to endure than a quick and painless suicide would be. In other words Euthanasia, very controversial I know, with many different arguments for and against.
When if it comes down to having to take your own life by suicide under the circumstances I mentioned above, I believe an adult with with a fair amount of his or her faculties left in tact should be able to choose not to suffer and cause their families to see that suffering. I am not talking about a case such as the Terry Schiavo court case type of situation.
Euthanasia defined as "a deliberate intervention undertaken with the express intention of ending a life, to relieve intractable suffering", is IMO not a cowardly act by the person ending his or her life. In fact it probably takes a lot of courage.
Normally when healthy or at least not terminally ill rationally thinking people commit suicide they have other motives for their actions.
Whatever caused the Weitzners to do what they did is a mystery that most of us will never know the answer to.
The reasons for the tragic situation that motivated The Weitzners to do what they did will be speculated on and about by many for a long time but as it stands right now most of us on these forums really have no clue as to what those motives really were...I know I have no idea why they did what they did.
I refuse to judge them on that basis, everyone has a right to their own opinion about whether or not suicide is a cowardly act. Mine is until all the facts are known I have no right to cast judgement on the deceased simply because I have no idea why they did what they did.
I am confident the suicides were not because they lost some cash betting basketball games. Being in debt no matter how much money is involved can be dealt with using less drastic solutions. Millions of Americans owe billions of dollars, there are alternatives other than suicide that can deal with heavy debt and I am sure the intelligent people involved in this matter knew that.
wilheim
Well said Wil.
Who is not to say that he was being tracked by the mob or there was contract out on their lives. Looking over your shoulder all day every day sure isn't life in my opinion. Going the way they did sure would be better than that alternative. Just giving another example of your personla life's choice exit strategy. My cousin died of carbon monoxide poisioning the day before the family party celebrating his high school graduation. My Aunt and Uncle came home from dinner smelled something, opened the garage and he was on the seat of the car. He never left a note and that question has haunted my aunt and uncle for 40 years.They have never been the same. He was a car fanatic and always worked on his car in the garage. Why would you not have the door open? Shit happens that you can not answer. In Shrinks case it looks like his family does know and that is the only bright side to this story.
Who is not to say that he was being tracked by the mob or there was contract out on their lives. Looking over your shoulder all day every day sure isn't life in my opinion. Going the way they did sure would be better than that alternative. Just giving another example of your personla life's choice exit strategy. My cousin died of carbon monoxide poisioning the day before the family party celebrating his high school graduation. My Aunt and Uncle came home from dinner smelled something, opened the garage and he was on the seat of the car. He never left a note and that question has haunted my aunt and uncle for 40 years.They have never been the same. He was a car fanatic and always worked on his car in the garage. Why would you not have the door open? Shit happens that you can not answer. In Shrinks case it looks like his family does know and that is the only bright side to this story.
Unlike many people, I think Dr. Kervorkian is a saint. Before he came along, many people didn't know how to end their suffering in a humane way. A lot of people used think that just taking a bottle of sleeping pills alone will do the job. Many times it won't, and the person ends up suffering even more from failed attemps. Kervorkian revolutionized the right way it could be done fast and painless. And just as important, to be able to die with dignity.
Here is a radio show Ken used to host, they talked to several people today on the show about Ken, including his son in law at the end of the show it is a pretty good listen.
http://www.talkzone.com/episodes/199/2292.html
http://www.talkzone.com/episodes/199/2292.html
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