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McVeigh didn't do what he did in the name of religion. His religion
whatever it was, was irrelevant.

How many abortion doctors get shot in the world per year, vs. how many
people killed by Muslims? Here, I'll help you out.

Since 1993, an average of .5 abortion doctors are killed per year.

Only a flaming fringe liberal would make such an utterly stupid comparison.

I remember barman bringing up a reference to McVeigh doing what he did because of his religion. It was in the thread regarding the "Mosque at Ground Zero".
 
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Let's say you're right. Let's say Muslims commit far more atrocities than Christians or Jews. Does that mean we can be outraged when someone singles out Christians or Jews for the atrocities of a few but we shouldn't be outraged when someone does it to Muslims simply because the perception is that they do it more?

I'm not saying it's wrong to criticize Muslims for the atrocities they commit. I'm an equal-opportunity criticizer. I just think it's hypocritical that people are outraged when it's done against Christians or Jews.

QL, The clear difference, which I've pointed out many times in this thread, is that the Muslim Quran tells it's followers to kill the non-Muslims. And, their prophet Mohammad was a blood-thirsty killer. Contrast that with Christ and his teachings.
 

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Good thing we created the department of homeland security, have the CIA/FBI sharing intelligence more and have killed some of the more prominent leaders of the Wiccan movement.

Oh wait...

Wait, you believe all those things were done because of a handful of Muslims?

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Wait, you believe all those things were done because of a handful of Muslims?

:):)

I think we can safely deduct it was done more because of muslim extremists than wiccans, jews or christians. I know I'm going out on a limb but that is my statement.

Do you got a hard-on for jihad or something? What is so difficult to understand?

A much larger % of these people wanna fuck people up than christians, wiccans or jews.

You said "the other 3 commit atrocities just the same" You just gotta be kidding me....
 

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QL, The clear difference, which I've pointed out many times in this thread, is that the Muslim Quran tells it's followers to kill the non-Muslims. And, their prophet Mohammad was a blood-thirsty killer. Contrast that with Christ and his teachings.

Similar passages can be brought up from the Jewish scriptures.
As far as Christianity goes, their rely upon an afterlife for the torment of people who don't believe the way they do. Christians have taken it upon themselves to do the same things without scriptural support in crusades (both in the past and the present).
 
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I remember barman bringing up a reference to McVeigh doing what he did because of his religion. It was in the thread regarding the "Mosque at Ground Zero".

Barman is 100% wrong.

In the 2001 book American Terrorist, McVeigh stated that he did not believe in Hell and that science is his religion.[87][88] In June 2001, a day before the execution, McVeigh wrote a letter to the Buffalo News identifying as agnostic.[89]


McVeigh claimed that the bombing was revenge for "what the U.S. government did at Waco and Ruby Ridge."[91] McVeigh visited Waco during the standoff. While there, he was interviewed by student reporter Michelle Rauch, a senior journalism major at SMU who was writing for the school paper. McVeigh expressed his objections over what was happening there.[82][92]
McVeigh frequently quoted and alluded to the novel The Turner Diaries; while rejecting the book's racism,[32][47] he claimed to appreciate its interest in firearms. Photocopies of pages sixty-one and sixty-two of The Turner Diaries were found in an envelope inside McVeigh's car. These pages depicted a fictitious mortar attack upon the U.S. Capitol in Washington.[93]
In a 1,200-word essay [94] dated March 1998, from the federal maximum-security prison at Florence, Colo., McVeigh claimed that the terrorist bombing was “morally equivalent” to U.S. military actions against Iraq and other foreign lands.
The administration has said that Iraq has no right to stockpile chemical or biological weapons (“weapons of mass destruction”) — mainly because they have used them in the past. Well, if that’s the standard by which these matters are decided, then the U.S. is the nation that set the precedent. The U.S. has stockpiled these same weapons (and more) for over 40 years. The U.S. claims this was done for deterrent purposes during its “Cold War” with the Soviet Union. Why, then, it is invalid for Iraq to claim the same reason (deterrence) with respect to Iraq’s (real) war with, and the continued threat of, its neighbor Iran?
The administration claims that Iraq has used these weapons in the past. We’ve all seen the pictures that show a Kurdish woman and child frozen in death from the use of chemical weapons. But, have you ever seen those pictures juxtaposed next to pictures from Hiroshima or Nagasaki?
I suggest that one study the histories of World War I, World War II and other “regional conflicts” that the U.S. has been involved in to familiarize themselves with the use of “weapons of mass destruction.”
Remember Dresden? How about Hanoi? Tripoli? Baghdad? What about the big ones — Hiroshima and Nagasaki? (At these two locations, the U.S. killed at least 150,000 non-combatants — mostly women and children — in the blink of an eye. Thousands more took hours, days, weeks or months to die).
If Saddam is such a demon, and people are calling for war crimes charges and trials against him and his nation, why do we not hear the same cry for blood directed at those responsible for even greater amounts of “mass destruction” — like those responsible and involved in dropping bombs on the cities mentioned above?
The truth is, the U.S. has set the standard when it comes to the stockpiling and use of weapons of mass destruction.
The handwritten essay, submitted to and published by the alternative national news magazine Media Bypass, was distributed worldwide by The Associated Press on May 29,1998. Ironically, it made global headlines alongside reports that Pakistan, following the suit of its neighbor and bitter rival India, had just detonated a nuclear device.
The essay, which marked the first time that McVeigh publicly discussed the Oklahoma City bombing, continued:
Hypocrisy when it comes to the death of children? In Oklahoma City, it was family convenience that explained the presence of a day-care center placed between street level and the law enforcement agencies which occupied the upper floors of the building. Yet, when discussion shifts to Iraq, any day-care center in a government building instantly becomes “a shield.” Think about it. (Actually, there is a difference here. The administration has admitted to knowledge of the presence of children in or near Iraqi government buildings, yet they still proceed with their plans to bomb —saying that they cannot be held responsible if children die. There is no such proof, however, that knowledge of the presence of children existed in relation to the Oklahoma City bombing.)
When considering morality and “mens rea” [criminal intent], in light of these facts, I ask: Who are the true barbarians? ...
I find it ironic, to say the least, that one of the aircraft used to drop such a bomb on Iraq is dubbed “The Spirit of Oklahoma.” This leads me to a final, and unspoken, moral hypocrisy regarding the use of weapons of mass destruction.
When a U.S. plane or cruise missile is used to bring destruction to a foreign people, this nation rewards the bombers with applause and praise. What a convenient way to absolve these killers of any responsibility for the destruction they leave in their wake.
Unfortunately, the morality of killing is not so superficial. The truth is, the use of a truck, a plane or a missile for the delivery of a weapon of mass destruction does not alter the nature of the act itself.
These are weapons of mass destruction — and the method of delivery matters little to those on the receiving end of such weapons.
Whether you wish to admit it or not, when you approve, morally, of the bombing of foreign targets by the U.S. military, you are approving of acts morally equivalent to the bombing in Oklahoma City ...
McVeigh included photocopies of a famous Vietnam War-era picture showing terrified children fleeing napalm bombs, and of nuclear devastation in Japan. He said in a preface that the essay was intended to “provoke thought — and was not written with malevolent intent.”
In interviews before his execution, documented in American Terrorist, McVeigh stated he decapitated an Iraqi soldier with cannon fire on his first day in the war and celebrated. But he said he later was shocked to be ordered to execute surrendering prisoners and to see carnage on the road leaving Kuwait City after U.S. troops routed the Iraqi army. In interviews following the Oklahoma City bombing, McVeigh said he began harboring anti-government feelings during the Gulf War.
On April 26, 2001, he wrote a letter to Fox News, I Explain Herein Why I Bombed the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, which explicitly laid out his reasons for the attack.[95] McVeigh read Unintended Consequences and noted that if it had come out a few years earlier, he would have given serious consideration to using sniper attacks in a war of attrition against the government instead of bombing a federal building:[96]




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh#Political_views_and_religious_beliefs
 

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I think we can safely deduct it was done more because of muslim extremists than wiccans, jews or christians. I know I'm going out on a limb but that is my statement.

Do you got a hard-on for jihad or something? What is so difficult to understand?

A much larger % of these people wanna fuck people up than christians, wiccans or jews.

As I mentioned before, I think it's all right to criticize Muslim terrorists and the people who do bad things in the name of Islam. I'm just saying it's hypocritical that people aren't outraged when it's done against Muslims but they are outraged when it's done to Christians or Jews, even if Muslims supposedly do it more.
 
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Similar passages can be brought up from the Jewish scriptures.
As far as Christianity goes, their rely upon an afterlife for the torment of people who don't believe the way they do. Christians have taken it upon themselves to do the same things without scriptural support in crusades (both in the past and the present).

Um, please point to present day crusades.
 

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Similar passages can be brought up from the Jewish scriptures.
As far as Christianity goes, their rely upon an afterlife for the torment of people who don't believe the way they do. Christians have taken it upon themselves to do the same things without scriptural support in crusades (both in the past and the present).

This is what I mean. Christians wanna torture people in the afterlife, extreme-muslims wanna torture people by blowing them the fuck up. I'll take that afterlife stuff...
 
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This is what I mean. Christians wanna torture people in the afterlife, extreme-muslims wanna torture people by blowing them the fuck up. I'll take that afterlife stuff...

No. Christians don't want to torture people in the afterlife, 100% wrong.

We just believe that there is eternal punishment for those that deserve it, there is a big difference.
 

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As I mentioned before, I think it's all right to criticize Muslim terrorists and the people who do bad things in the name of Islam. I'm just saying it's hypocritical that people aren't outraged when it's done against Muslims but they are outraged when it's done to Christians or Jews, even if Muslims supposedly do it more.

I think people are outraged though, I mean the dude in Florida who wanted to burn the Koran was branded a nutjob. It just isn't the equivalent of killing someone. Our nuts are more moderate than their nuts.

Jews its tough to feel bad for, they got all the damn $ (lol j/k)
 

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No. Christians don't want to torture people in the afterlife, 100% wrong.

We just believe that there is eternal punishment for those that deserve it, there is a big difference.

Eternal punishment? That seems like a pretty loose description of torture. Either way its semantics compared to blowing up a train in London.
 
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Eternal punishment? That seems like a pretty loose description of torture. Either way its semantics compared to blowing up a train in London.

You missed my point completely. There is a difference between "wanting to torture people" and believing that God punishes people in hell.
 
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I just read the previous page of drivel. Good luck defending the obvious Zit. The arguements against Christians and Jews here are really uninformed. That's the nicest way I can put it. The moral equivalency arguements are purely the arguements of haters.
 
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[ Nice friendly Muslims storm the US Embassy in Egypt today to protest a film produced in the US... Such nice people. Very friendly too. ]

Protesters Storm US Embassy
In Egypt, Tear Apart American Flag



  • AP
  • Protesters climb walls of U.S. Embassy in Cairo, tearing down an American flag and replacing it with a black flag with an Islamic inscription, to protest a film attacking Islam's Prophet Muhammad that was reportedly produced in the U.S.
  • PHOTOS: Protesters Climb US Embassy Walls, Chant Anti-American Slogans
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I just read the previous page of drivel. Good luck defending the obvious Zit. The arguements against Christians and Jews here are really uninformed. That's the nicest way I can put it. The moral equivalency arguements are purely the arguements of haters.

QL actually said that the wars in Iran and Afghanistan are "Christian Crusades." Unreal.
 

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We needs to encourage the Muslim Community to replace the Karan with the Baltimore Catechism, caz it would make the world a better place imo. Love thy neighbor, not kill them, is a much more gooder paradigm to foster harmonious interactions among people. Amen!:103631605

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QL actually said that the wars in Iran and Afghanistan are "Christian Crusades." Unreal.

I enjoy debating with you Zit. Your arguments are usually well thought out and have support. Not this time though. See how easy it is to be dismissive like that?
 

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