The next 2 weeks will prove why Rush Limbaughs opinion was correct>>

[hansenbros.]

919

i guess it would be too much for you to notice that there aren't any words capitalized in my posts, unless for purposes of emphasis. but then again, you are a constant reminder of your own ignorance -- misspelling words, fragmented sentences, and the form of the verb be (little hint - it's so much more than just an apostrophe!!).

no one's asking for a grammatical dissertation; it would be nice for just simple sixth grade grammar. however, for you, it's quite obvious that that is an untenable reality. you prefer the route of stupidity, ignorance, apathy, or more than likely the combination of all three.

nonetheless, thank you for unintentionally making a sound argument for myself and patriot.


gl

 

[Berlino]

they promote that cheating lying ********** Barry Bonds for the same reason they think America needs a black sports hero.

If you hit 73 homers in a season despite being intentionally walked a bazillion times you're going to get attention. It doesn't matter if you're black, white, or pink with polka dots. I agree that Bonds likely cheated with steroids, but he doesn't get press because of the color of his skin.

 

[Berlino]

Much like Patriot, I like McNabb - I think he's a class act.
But!!!
McNabb is a Bledsoe clone!

Put the pressure on this guy and he gets happy feet.
Go up by a few TD's, and he starts lobbing the passes up for grabs.

With the easiest schedule in the league, the Eagles have the 12th rated offense.

A Bledoe clone? In half of Bledsoe's twelve seasons he's had at least as many interceptions as TD passes. In one "memorable" season he tossed 27 picks.

On the other hand McNabb has one of the lowest lifetime interception percentages in the history of the league.

Every season he has had more TD's than interceptions, even when he was forced to start six games his rookie year for a 5-11 Eagle team.

With so few picks, how often can he be "lobbing passes up for grabs?"

As for happy feet, I don't know, but he you cannot compare the feet of statuesque Bledsoe to McNabb. McNabb led the Eagles in rushing one year and has 20 rushing TD's in his career.

Yes, I agree that the Eagles have faced an astonishingly easy schedule this year. I don't even like them in the game. (Am not betting either side but have many prop bets.) However, they have much better than the 12th rated offense. I'm not sure where you get that figure from. Based on any reasonable criterai (ppg, ypg, yards per play), etc they rank higher than 12th, despite taking the last two regular season games off.

 

[Berlino]

mcnabb was then and still is a creation of the media -- period!!! yes, stat wise he had a great year in 2004, but then again so did garcia when he was throwing to T O

If a QB can become great thanks to a great receiver, wouldn't it stand to reason that bad receivers can bring a QB down?

Most of McNabb's career has been with the not-so-dynamic duo of Thrash and Pinkston.

Thrash was the number one target from 2001 to 2003 and went to Washington this season where he stunk up the nation's capital with just 17 receptions. Going into week 16 his longest reception was for just 18 yards, despite starting four games. That McNabb was able to accomplish anything with this guy is to his credit. Cut him some slack.

Besides, 2004 is NOT his only good season stat-wise. Otherwise he wouldn't have one of the top-15 all-time passer ratings in the NFL.

 

[Berlino]

so, let's take owens out of the picture -- mcnabb stats read as follows:

2003 16 tds -- 11 int -- 79.6 qb rating

in fact from 2002 thru 1999 his avg. qb rating was an utterly dismal 77!!!!

this guy is flat out OVER-RATED!!! sorry, no racism just facts!!! yes, mcnabb is a nice guy, but so what??? he is not a proficient qb!!!

they are in the super bowl bewcause of their def, don't kid yopurself -- it is the number ONE rated defense in the postseason, and it was the number TEN def yds allowed, and number THREE defense scoring!!!

Yes, in 2003 McNabb had for him a bad season passing wise. However, the 79.6 rating you quote still was in the top half of the league. Only Manning, Brooks, and McNair had as many TD passes and as few interceptions.

You state that he had an utterly dismal 77 passer rating from 1999 to 2002.


It appears that someone arrived at this figure by taking the rating from each season and then averaging them out. This not the correct way.
It gives as much weight to his 6-game rookie season with 216 attempts as it does to the other individual years where he averaged over 400 attempts.

With proper weighter the rating would be more like 80, which falls into the good range for NFL QB's of that period.

His season-by-season ratings were 60.1, 77.8, 84.3, and 86. http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133361

How much do you want to knock him for his bad rookie season? Eli Manning's rating was 56 this year.

So Philadelphia is in the Super Bowl because of their 10th in yards allowed defense? Their offense ranked higher than 10th.

 

[Berlino]

quit candy-coating your opinions here!!! rush was/is right!!! wc, and 919 or whomever are either ignorant, simply don't know football, are reverse racists, or more than likely all of the above!!!
...
this guy is flat out OVER-RATED!!! sorry, no racism just facts!!! yes, mcnabb is a nice guy, but so what??? he is not a proficient qb!!!

Let's see. There have been five seasons now where McNabb has been the #1 Eagle QB.

Fact: Over those five seasons his average is 22 TD passes and 4 Rushing TD's versus just 10 picks. Hmm 26/10 over five seasons. If this makes him overrated, fine. This would mean of course that 95% of NFL QB's are overrated.

This is despite playing mostly in a cold outdoor stadium with the league's worst artificial turf, mediocre receivers, and without the help of great running game. One year McNabb led the team in both rushing yards and rushing TD's. Another year he was only 185 yards behind the team's leading rusher.

16th in all-time passer rating. (I was wrong earlier when writing 15th).
Helps his team also with many rushing first downs.

You say he's not a proficient QB?

Ignorant or don't know football? LOL.

 

[Grogan]

You're sort of obsessed w/this topic, huh.

 

[Berlino]

You're sort of obsessed w/this topic, huh.

Hehe, you hit the nail on the head. And you've not seen anything yet. I'm tired of seeing the errors accumulate in this thread. For example, remember earlier when someone quoted Limbaugh speaking recently about McNabb?

Since you've called and brought this up: At the time (in 2003), McNabb, the Eagles were 1-3 or 1-4.

The Eagle's were never 1-4, nor were they ever 1-3. They even had 11 wins before they got their 4th loss.

Well, if he doesn't remember when this event occurred last season it at least explains why he doesn't remember saying something about drug users needing to go to jail.

For the record the Eagles were 0-2. McNabb had just had two bad games against Tampa Bay and New England.

If you judge a QB by how they do against Belicheck why didn't Rush call Manning overrated? At the time Tampa Bay was being called possibly the NFL's best ALL-TIME defense and had made MVP Gannon look silly in the Super Bowl. Hardly a 2-game sample to jump to any conclusions.

Meanwhile Buffalo was 2-0 at the time and some were saying the Patriot's were wrong to give up on Bledsoe and keep Brady! Who was more overrated, Bledsoe or McNabb? Yet McNabb, despite a higher all-time passer rating was getting the heat and Bledsoe the praise.

 

[hansenbros.]

berlino

"...With proper weighter the rating would be more like 80, which falls into the good range for NFL QB's of that period."



what color is the sky in your world??? that's is mediocrity, at best!!!! jese, let's just lower the bar to bring mcnabb in. that's pathetic! you need to realize that a passer's rating is a comprehensive view of all his stats -- NOT just his td/int ratio!!!

and to speak of misleading stats -- the years he had a decent stats, he also was on the bottom half of the league in attempts -- thus, his sh*tty qb ratings -- he flat out is a mediocre qb, period!! get over it already!!!


gl

 

[hansenbros.]

12-22 168 td INT (in the red zone TIWCE) hmmmmmmm. how's that td to int ratio??? nice completion ratio, not to mention decision making!


gl

 

[hansenbros.]

Vindication!!!!!!

mcnabb = O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D!!!!!!


gl

 

[TheRightWing]

I agree with you HB he will never be in the upper eschelon of QB'S and those lob passes that he threw in that game.....whewwwwwwww the poor Eagles Defense worked there ass off and then he went and did that crap!!!

 

[WCBias]

Hanson...you are truly a clown. You don't even get the argument...you just want to bash McNabb and moreso, jock Rush.

Obviously the league and the media built up McNabb expectations the two weeks leading up to the superbowl (which btw was the topic of this tread), and that is because they are socially concerned and want a black quarterback to do well. The look on their faces after McNabb's performance, I thought Bradshaw was going to cry.

Like it has been said a bunch in this thread, McNabb is overrated. That it has anything to do with the color of his skin...or a media agenda to promote him, is still and always will be LAUGHABLE.

Take your kneepads off and get out from under Rush's desk....the game is over.

 

[hansenbros.]

bias

for just one minute can you politely pull your ignorant head out of your ass and come to a somewhat rational conclusion here, or is that and untenable position for you????

why on God's green earth is/ has been this guy been promoted as one of the best for the past five years??? benn a pro bowler?? with the exception of this year, this guy is mediocre at BEST!

so, why the accolades???? because his mom is in soup commercials??? maybe even you can figure this one out, ya dolt!!!


LOL

 

[WCBias]

Hansen,

You don't even get the argument here, you just keep going back to McNabb being overrated, which I have said in nearly every one of my posts. But to prove your ignorance, you cite the pro-bowl. Do you even know who votes for the pro-bowl? Fan, coaches, and players, not the socially concerned media who Rush believes want a black quarterback to do well. Obviously in your eyes, the fans, coaches, and players have the same opinion as Rush, because HE DOES KEEP MAKING THE PRO-BOWL!

So let me hold your hand through this one and READ/LISTEN before you jump in with a "DID YOU SEE HOW CRAPPY HE DID IN THE SUPERBOWL" or some other idiotic statement that has nothing to do with what the debate is.

We aren't talking about whether DM is overrated, we are talking about WHY he is overrated. Rush's point is that the MEDIA wants a black quarterback to do well. So I'll ask you, oh not so knowledgeable one, who in the sports media is overhyping McNabb any more than, lets say, Drew Bledsoe, or Mark Bulger, or, Rich Gannon, or Jim Kelly, or Dan Fouts, or Trent Green, or Fran Tarkington, etc. etc?

Not once in any of your responses have you provided support to Rush's point. Deb provided one, but still doesn't realize that Rush made his statement after the second NFC championship loss, not the 3rd. You HAVE restated the obvious which has been said here at least a dozen times....that I myself have said on numerous occassions.

When you are intelligent enough to UNDERSTAND the debate...by all means, join in. If you want me to say DM is overrated...take reading comprehension 101.

 

[hansenbros.]

bias

boy, you are a VERY simple person -- thank the Heaven's that you are not an attorney!


amazingly, we agree that DM is over-rated, the source of which is glaringly obvious to everyone, but you. let's try to put this into layman's term so that you MIGHT be able to comprehend. there is one main source for media reports on everything these days -- google.

you erroneously compared the media hype of DM to that of a few qb's -- let's compare google offerings:

mcnabb 372,000
bulger 107,000
bledsoe 166,000
gannon 174,000

who is the media obviously promoting???

hell, let's go a few steps further -- let's compare him to the MVP --
manning 345,000

the other pro bowl qb's
brees 121,000
vick 365,000
culppepper 47,500

how about a hall of famer

favre 338,000

hell, the only qb to have more written about him is the king of the current dynasty

brady over 1 mil

a lot of which has to do with his all american looks (GQ, harpers, etc)

one more thing you simpleton where in the sam hell do you think the general public gets their information from on mcnabb (other than the state of pa).

when rush said his rather innocuous comments on mcnabb he had been elected to his second straight pro bowl with a qb rating of 79!!!!! come on wake up!!!

gl

 

[WCBias]

Hanson my dear friend, not only was your argument to the point but you also tried to use hard evidence as proof. However, your "google" experiment is obviously skewed because, well, DM did just play a game a few days ago while some of the other qb's you mentioned have been home wishing they were in his shoes for a month. He did also have a phenemenal season. If you consider those facts, then it is probable that three months from now DM's "offerings" will fall considerably and be right in line with the Favre's and Vick's and probably well below those two. Furthermore, I do not think Rush was implying home bloggers or Eagle Homer with his own web sites as "the media".

Yes, the fans do get their information from the media. The players dont. The coaches dont....they might know a little bit more about football than you or I....end of your pro-bowl argument.

So. Show me how the media "at large" is "promoting" DM BECAUSE he is Black!!!!!! THAT is the evidence you need to prove your point.

Finally, I'll leave it at this, insults aside. My opinion on this differs from obviously yours, Debs, many others. I respect your opinion(s) but I have trouble comprehending what it is you are arguing about because most of your points are "DM IS OVERRATED". If Rush had left it at that and just said the defense does not get enough credit....he'd have finished the year and you would absolutely be right.

But, he injected race into the issue, and I, like the vast majority of sports media who talk to you and I every day on our television and newspapers, don't think of him as a "black" quarterback...he's just a quarterback. Furthermore, I am not, nor most media folks are not socially concerned or want a black quarterback to do well. A black kicker, maybe. I've named names in other posts, tell me one white sportscaster who you believe is out there doing this.

It is not 1975...it's not 1985, it was 2003...the sportsworld had long accepted Black athletes, including black quarterbacks. Is the obvious stated sometimes? Sure. But in the year 2003 there was no "mass" media agenda to promote a black QB over a white QB.

Was DM overhyped at the time...absolutely, like Drew Bledsoe and Jim Kelly and Fran Tarkington and so on and so on before him. Is he a likable guy that kids and fans can relate to, absolutely. Do they relate to him or like him because he is black. NO WAY.

Have a great baseball season and I'll see you in Late August. Hopefully next superbowl it will be Brett Favre vs. Trent Green, two overhyped white guys at the QB position, so there will be no more debate.

 

[ElIguana]

Media/public love McNabb because of his running ability, just like Michael Vick. They also love him because he is on a team with one of the best records in the league for the past 4 seasons.

If McNabb were a pocket passer and not a "playmaker," he wouldn't get quite as much attention as he does. They guy is exciting to watch and a crowdpleaser, so he garners a lot of attention.