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i agree with Patriot, you can't say anything about a black person without being labeled a racist. Things that you say about Peyton Manning or Brady or etc etc. would constitute fan enthusiasm or wagering enthusiasm, but dare say anything about McNabb.

It's tiresome this kind of stuff. ENUFF already with the card crap...

go patriots..and yes i hope Mcnabb messes up.

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Without commenting on whether Limbaugh's comments were on target or not, let me just say one thing.

Deb's post is a good one, because it's thoughtful. The "racist" shot at Patriot, for example, is all too typical when race is brought up in this country--if ANYTHING is said regarding a racial issue, that person is 99% of the time called a racist. It's a joke. So here's to some actual back & forth w/out the nonsense.
 

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The truth of the matter is that no black QB has been able to dominate a league in which the majority of the players are black and this upsets the liberal press in America to no end.

Rush Limbaugh didn't say Donovan McNabb was a bad QB because he is black, he said that the media has over rated McNabb because he is black...and Limbaugh was right.

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you think the liberal press wants black athletes to preform well?...your right...they want all athletes to do well....how does the corporate right wing media portray black athletes?...
 

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you think the liberal press wants black athletes to preform well?...your right...they want all athletes to do well....how does the corporate right wing media portray black athletes?...

Hello 919..

Interesting that you chose to argue with my final unbiased conclusion instead of trying to argue any of the valid points that I made with regard to trying to point out the "How's and Why's" of the Rush Limbaugh comment.

With regard to your question of how "the corporate right wing media portray black athletes?".....First of all corporate America and right wing media are two totally different groups....Corporate America is held accountable by their stockholders to make a profit and thus doesn't care if an athlete is black, white, pink or purple as long as their image helps sell what that company is selling.

Please do not think that I am taking either side in this issue because I am not, I tend to be very analytical by nature and thus am able to stand back and look at both sides of an issue and draw my own conclusions, much the same as any good handicapper worth their salt needs to do when assessing a match up between two teams that you intend wagering on.

take care and good luck!!

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Without commenting on whether Limbaugh's comments were on target or not, let me just say one thing.

Deb's post is a good one, because it's thoughtful. The "racist" shot at Patriot, for example, is all too typical when race is brought up in this country--if ANYTHING is said regarding a racial issue, that person is 99% of the time called a racist. It's a joke. So here's to some actual back & forth w/out the nonsense.

your right...i shouldn't assume pats is a racist...especially when he says things like....

Thats OK you dumb fxckin foreign and I do mean foreign appeasers your turn coming!!! Happy raghead to ya!!


FSB and in case you didn't notice they walk around all day with some kind of shitty cloth on their head that looks like the rags that I use to change my oil..hence raghead.

The reason those raghead flintstone fux hate us is because of the their perverted religion and mullahs and preaching it so they can keep their thumb on them.....They really hate themselves and are jealous of the west.I mean what meaningfull invention or idea have they come up with in the last thousand years besides the suicide belt?

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my mistake....i guess if McNabb were muslim or middle eastern i'd have an argument...oh well...of course, i only searched one word and picked the first few that hit...so.....

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Man, I want to leave it alone but I just can't. Deb...I see you're (You Are) a Rush fan too! God bless.

First off, get your stat facts straight...you can check 'em at ESPN.COM. Nice comparison between Johnson and McNabb...nice selective choices too, but you might want to analyze TD/Int. ratio, rushing yards...etc for fairness. Since Brad Johnson is obviously a better quarterback in your mind, I'm guessing the GM's in the league would rather see a black quarterback do well than win a superbowl, because I guarantee not one would rather be led by Brad Johnson rather than DM. Trent Dilfer won a superbowl too...last I checked he was backing up a guy who hasn't even won a playoff game.

Let's analyze the real culprit in Rush's eyes....the media. I've never heard one person use that word more than Rush. And I won't lie, sometimes I agree with him. But not on this one.

Exactly who in the media has been desirous that a black quarterback does well? The talking heads...please. Stuart Scott...ABSOLUTELY. But the vast majority of white sportscasters/reporters/ex-athletes like Dan Patrick, Al Micheals, Terry Bradshaw, Sean Salsbury, Howie Long, Kieth Olberman, Jim Rome, etc. etc. could care less what color the skin is of any player playing any position. Now, that is not to say they do not point out the obvious...Donovan McNabb is black. But if you believe that they are "hoping", or "socially concerned", you need to check yourself. If you think that it is coming from a higher level, then you are implying that the talking heads are merely puppets.....blank pages with mouths spewing what they have been TOLD to say. Howie Long a puppet? Again....not possible.

Up until Rush made his comments, I can't recall ever thinking of Donovan McNabb as anything but the quarterback of the Eagles...a team that had a good defense, a great running back, some very average receivers, and a very average offensive line. I never heard or read anything about Donovan McNabb that was not being said about other Quarterbacks that had led their teams to the championship game....Drew Bledsoe comes immediately to mind. And I've had issues with McNabb for years because he has screwed me on dozens of occassions with inoportune pics (I call it being McNabbed). But no one more so has left me McNabbed than Brett Favre, the most overhyped QB in the history of the NFL.

The key here isn't that DM is overrated, the key here is that Rush MADE it a racial issue by implying that the MEDIA wants a black quarterback to do well. If you truly believe that...PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE. There is no media agenda here to advance the Black Race at the quarterback position. Race has nothing to do with whether or not he is overrated. THE MEDIA very well has something to do with that, as they do with Bledsoe, Manning, Garcia, Brees, Warner, and how about this one...MARK BULGER!!!. THis guy SUCKS but I here how great he is about every week.

And I'll say it now for the 3rd time, and not only has no one disagreed with me...Patriot, the originator of this thread, actually agreed....If Steve McNair was playing that Monday Night, Rush would have said the EXACT SAME THING. His statement had nothing to do with Donovan McNabb, plain in simple. He was taking a shot at the LIBERAL MEDIA...which he SHREDS DAILY on his radio show....which makes him MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!!!!

NOW....BACK TO THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD. Read it. Then get back to me and tell me where the media is overhyping McNabb. I have not heard a thing about the guy all week. I just made the same rounds I did earlier in the week and posted here. While there was no cover story on McNabb, there was two on Tom Brady. But I'm sure the first story that comes out about him someone will be right here SMOKING RUSH'S TWO-INCH POLE.

And finally, you are absolutely right about one thing. I do not like the racist term and I really do not think Rush, or anyone that supports his comments (Patriot, Hanson, DEB) are racists. Ignorant yes, Dittoheads (Rush Puppets) yes...but not racist.
 

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Maybe the pats are just a superior team over the EAGLES....although i do think Brady is a little better than McNabb for this game because he's been here already.

Eagles aren't winning this game.. Sorry Philly folks...it aint happening no matter how much you wish it too.

If folks from Philly are betting The Eagles because they are Eagle Fans..then it's for the wrong reasons. Miracles do happen..but not this time.

See the difference in a Eagle and a Jet fan or Giant Fan is obvious.

Now grant you they may cover but they are not winning. SORRY GET REAL WILL YAS and stop the chest thumping...Philly fans are too fanatical to take a step back and say wait a second !

C.mmon...Eagles played in a pathetic division..and The onslaught will be so evident in this game just like the ravens-giants years ago.

GOOD LUCK

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Eagles 3-1 vs the AFC East last year...when they actually had them on the schedule. Then again the Miami Dolphins are tough...after all New England lost to them (recently I might add).

Hey this "New England will cover" stuff sounds really familiar...didn't we hear it last year against a Panthers team that has 1/100th the experience of this Eagles team? 32-29...and Patriot bettors were a lot lighter in their wallets.

Do yourself a favor...bet the Eagles with the points and the moneyline and smile knowing you're going to make money. 2/3 of the betting world is on New England...but the public is always right...right?

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And finally, you are absolutely right about one thing. I do not like the racist term and I really do not think Rush, or anyone that supports his comments (Patriot, Hanson, DEB) are racists. Ignorant yes, Dittoheads (Rush Puppets) yes...but not racist.<!-- / message -->



WC...and you sir are NOT a dipshit.I appreciate your clarifcation.(Although instead of running me over witha bulldozer you hit me with 2x4 with the ignorant comment) but thats a big difference.

919 those comments were made regarding islamofacist that killed 3000 of my countrymen and someones daughter I know 200 miles from my home....I'll call'em any fxckin thing I want.

and do yourself a favor.look up the definiton of racist.Not Al Sharpton definition. the real one.


Deb12...outstanding commentary on your part.I wish i was that articulate.You made a lot of sense with facts on what you have researched and seen.Nice job.
 
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WC bias...

For the record I am NOT a fan of Rush Limbaugh and do not listen to his show, obviously you thought I was as a means to defend your position of bias, with regard to the McNabb issue you've missed the ENTIRE point and have chosen to blindly defend McNabb instead of viewing the situation in an objective manner.

I mentioned both Brad Johnson and Jake Delhomme because of the fact that their numbers and ratings although higher than McNabb's are fairly similar and they play on teams that sport dominant defenses with little in the way of talent on offense...

...they both defeated McNabb and his Eagles in an NFC Championship game for the right to advance to the Super Bowl, but yet do not recieve anywhere CLOSE to the "Media Hype" that McNabb recieves.

Peyton Manning of the Colts recieves the same type of "Over Hype" by the media and thus the very same things can be said about him with regard to Manning recieving the vast majority of media hype over New England's QB Tom Brady.

However, if Rush Limbaugh had said that Manning was Over Rated and Over Hyped by the media, then its quite probable and most likely that Limbaugh would still be working for ESPN...

...Limbaugh made the mistake of saying that McNabb was over rated, and the fact of the matter is that McNabb just happens to be a black QB while Manning is a white QB.

Its called Political correctness my friend, another example is the John Rocker situation...

Rocker made some really stupid comments surrounding a possible ride on the subway in New York and what would be found in his opinion on the way to a Mets game on that particular train.

For Rockers comments he recieved a fine and a suspenion as well as a marathon lambasting by the media's "Talking Heads" that still continues to this day...

...yet Dusty Baker of the Cubs can make a comment that black baseball players are better than white baseball players because black ball players are better equiped to take the summer heat better and recieves a pass by the media.

...yet Warren Sapp of the Tampa Bucs can say the following and get a virtual pass as well:

"He got what he wanted," ( Sapp talking about Lavar Arrington ) "He snitched and slave master come down".

Sapp went on to say:
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"That's all that is...Stop a man from doing something that he's been doing for nine years? And so now there's a rule against me. Thanks. I knew (the league) was gonna do what they did because they've been notoriously against Sapp. Like I said before, it's a slave system. Make no mistake about it, slave master say you can't do it, don't do it. They'll make an example out of you."
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I do not recall Sapp or Baker recieving anywhere close to the media bashing that Rocker recieved, so please, do not try to spin things full circle and say that no "Political correctness" or bias exists in the media with regard to how they cover items of interest.

take care and good luck!

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Deb, good to have you back in the Rx....we missed you last week.

WC Bias, "Yay" and "Boo" to you. Yay for bringing "McNabbed" into the vernacular--an instant classic! "Boo" for railing on Marc Bulger. Despite missing 4 games to injury, the guy threw for 3964 yards to rank 6th in the NFL this season (ahead of McNabb #8 and Brady #10). And I admire his cool demeanor when he plays--he doesn't panic, he doesn't pound his chest, he just passes the ball very well (66.2% completion on the season).

Sportsbet, good to see you using this forum as yet another place to tout your Eagles! You are too much, Dude.....we love ya!

Everybody else, please quit typing "your" when you mean "you're." :nono5:
 

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Deb...Again YOU miss the point. Rush's comments had nothing to do with McNabb. It had everything to do with taking a swipe at the liberal media. You failed to answer any of my indirect questions....like "who" in the media was DELIBERATELY overhyping McNabb BECAUSE he is black. As to the topic of this thread...WHERE IS DONOVAN MCNABB BEING OVERHYPED RIGHT NOW?

This is also not about Political Correctness. I'm not, Rush certainly isn't, I'm guessing you aren't. This isn't about John Rocker...I think he is funny. This isn't about Warren Sapp or Dusty Baker, who should have been thrown under the bus for what they said.

Do you disagree with my assertion that Rush would have said the same thing about Steve McNair? We'll never know. But I do know this, Rush DID NOT have an agenda against McNabb that fateful Monday night, he did not have an agenda against the black race....HE HAD AN AGENDA AGAINST THE LIBERAL MEDIA!!!!

As for Jake Delhomme....? WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? They had twice as many stories about him last year than I ever read or heard about McNabb! The only story about McNabb last year was the RUSH story. I could tell you more about Jake Delhomme than I could ever tell you about DM. Your statement points out you are selectively listening/reading/biased against anything positive said about McNabb, because it is simply not true that he was getting more attention than Delhomme last year absent the RUSH Story.

And here is my last point. Rush was right in a sense, there is clearly a liberal bias in the media as a whole....I'll prove that point in a second. BUT THERE IS NO BIAS IN TODAY'S SPORTS MEDIA TO OVERHYPE A BLACK QUARTERBACK due to "hope" or "social concern". NONE WHATSOEVER!!!!! 20 years ago....sure. Today....old story, been there done that.

Donovan McNabb is overrated. Bret Favre is overrated. Payton Manning is overrated. Steve McNair is overrated. Hall of Famer JIM KELLY WAS OVERRATED. Hall of Famer TERRY BRADSHAW WAS ABSOLUTELY OVERRATED! Football is a team sport. A great quarterback can not get his team to the superbowl by himself. A very average quarterback can get his team to the superbowl and win. Football is the essential team sport. 22 guys...special teams...coaching. They are all integral to a teams success. The QB position is the coverstory...the lead singer of a rock band if you will. They are apt to be overhyped. DM did not ask for the attention, he does not gloat, he just plays football to the best of his ability....and he is a pretty damn good quarterback.

Now, if the topic of this thread was Rush got screwed because of the liberal media...removing race completely from the argument...then you are spot on. Because Rush gave the liberal press all the amunition they could ever want to take him down and they jumped on it. Yet they (the powers that be) did nothing about Dusty Baker or Warren Sapp. (Talking heads made quite a big deal about it by the way, it just wasn't front page news). Not because what they said wasn't offensive, but because RUSH finally gave them ammunition to return the favor he has bestowed on them for YEARS.

There is so much more to this story. The fact DM was the 3rd QB chosen in the draft...where Philly was before he was drafted...that Philly is the 4th largest TV market. What you are missing, what RUSH missed, is that had it been a white quarterback to get Philly to three straight NFC championship games (two to the point of Rush's comments)...with the exact same stats, he would have got the exact same press that DM got, because like I said...the QB is the lead singer. Whoever lead that team out of the doldrums would have been the coverboy....because that is the glory story...white or black.
 

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Deb...Again YOU miss the point. Rush's comments had nothing to do with McNabb. It had everything to do with taking a swipe at the liberal media. You failed to answer any of my indirect questions....like "who" in the media was DELIBERATELY overhyping McNabb BECAUSE he is black. As to the topic of this thread...WHERE IS DONOVAN MCNABB BEING OVERHYPED RIGHT NOW?


WC bias..

I'm not sure what part of the country you hail from but I live on the East Coast and can tell you first hand that the East coast press is extremely liberal and the slant the liberal press takes on various subjects often spill over to the sports pages, anyone that has ever read newspapers originating in Boston, New York, Philadelphia, or Washington can attest to this fact.

McNabb has had a stellar season this year and looks to have come into his own with regard to his TD to INT ratio of 35 to 8 and his passer rating of 105.3, as a matter of fact virtually all of McNabb's numbers this season are better than those of patriot QB Tom Brady, however, let's not loose sight of the fact that Limbaugh made that statement last year following the Eagles third straight NFC Championship loss....once again the quote:

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"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well," Limbaugh said. "There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

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Anyone that has followed the sports pages here on the East coast can tell you that the sports writers have a sense of self importance that knows no bounds, if there is no story then they create one...much like they done just recently in goating Eagle WR Freddie Mitchell into saying something about the patriot secondary.

In McNabb's case being black had something to do with his being "Over-rated" and thus the media's over-hyping of him last year which led to Limbaugh's remarks, with regard to McNair, he is one of my favorite QB's in the league and he deserves every ounce of ink he recieves, however, Limbabugh did not make the remarks about McNair...he made them about McNabb and I believe the statement was true at that point in time.

Last year following Limbaugh's remarks McNabb was featured on the front page of many publications with "coded" headlines slamming Limbaugh, riddle me this...If race wasn't an issue, why did the liberal press keep bringing it up?

I find it extremely perplexing that the same media that says out of one side of their mouth "Race is not a factor in our coverage" is the very same media that constantly reminds us of our difference in color.."So and so is the first Black to do this or so and so is the first African American to do that.

As soon as someone points out the difference in the way the media coverage is slanted ( like Limbaugh did ) the professed enlightened ones start tossing the "Racist Card" around, the sad truth of the matter is that political correctness now exists in our every day life and is here to stay.


"Dr Z" Zimmerman of Sports Illustrated has taken the position that all NFL owners are racists ( except those owners who have a black HC of course), ESPN's Dan La Ba(re)tard was railing on the lack of black coaches in the NFL just last week, Jesse Jackson has been targeting NASCAR as racist in nature because of their lack of black drivers, Michael Silver of Sports Illustrated wrote a nonsensical opinion last year which contained the following ridiculous paragraph:

"Regardless of Mularkey's credentials, and those of new Falcons coach Jim Mora Jr., it must be noted that until the Chicago Bears hired Rams defensive coordinator Lovie Smith Wednesday, the NFL's new policy on minority hiring was looking pretty useless. But hey, five African-Americans out of 32 head coaches is downright progressive compared with the NCAA (five out of 117 in Division I-A) -- or, for that matter, compared with the highest levels of NFL front offices".

Hmmmm, sounds to me like Michael Silver was saying that a black should have been hired regardless of the experience and credentials of others, WC you are right in one regard...its all about liberal bias in the media and how they choose to cover or not cover a story.


take care and good luck!

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Whatdoya know, here is an article in print and on the internet today Monday Jan 31st 2005 and it harkens to just what we've been talking about...the media just can not get past the color thing, but then neither can Donovan McNabb himself as he constantly seems to find a way to interject the topic into his various interviews....without further ado the article is below:



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David Aldridge | If black QBs aren't rare, should we still care?

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[size=-1]Inquirer Sports Columnist[/size]
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JACKSONVILLE -- Is it progress when people think a problem no longer exists?



Or complacency?



In these turgid waters one finds Donovan McNabb, freshly alit from Philadelphia, ready as one can be for a media onslaught that careens from one subject to another like a drunk at last call. He is a lot of things: the self-professed captain of the Eagles' ship; the son of Sam and Wilma; Raquel's husband, corporate pitch man; an African-American man.



It is the last of these with which we are interested today, because he is interested in talking about it, and even moreso here, because this is the week of a Roman Numeral Game, and McNabb knows how rare it's been that men of his color have been the starting quarterback in Roman Numeral Games. In the 39th of these annual affairs, he is but the third, after Doug Williams and Steve McNair.



It means something to McNabb to be here, something other than being in the Big Game. You may just want him to shaddap and talk about football. But he's got the floor now. That's one of the things that happens when you break through and get here. The stage is yours.



"This is history being made," he said yesterday. "You go back to what Doug Williams was able to do, the struggles, obviously, being in Tampa, and then coming into Washington, and having to come into the Super Bowl game. That showed a lot about his character, showed a lot about his perseverance. It just showed a lot about his heart, about his desire for the game.



"And to be in that list of only three who have played in the Super Bowl, and I'll be part of that, it says a lot. He did a lot for us. He gave us an opportunity. And doors have been opened. What Steve McNair was able to do at the Super Bowl, it gives the kids now, at the collegiate level, high school, Pop Warner, it gives them an opportunity to dream and have aspirations to play at this level. (ital)And(endital) winning a Super Bowl."



A few hundred miles south of here, where he's currently a personnel executive with the Buccaneers, Williams has taken note of McNabb.



"I feel where Donovan is coming from," Williams said in a telephone interview yesterday, 17 years to the day since he threw five touchdown passes against the Broncos in Super Bowl XXII and won Most Valuable Player honors.



"I've been there," Williams said. "Now he has a chance to add to the history. It's sad that is has to be history and not just football. But we all know why ... we have to get to the point where it's not history."



Williams met with McNabb when McNabb was at Syracuse, and he's watched McNabb's career blossom.



"I was probably a lot more pissed off than he was last year about what that guy said," Williams recalled. "Don't mention his name and give him any more publicity. Then I watched the interview Donovan gave. I was proud of him."



A couple of weeks ago, when the story was McNabb and Michael Vick, there was uncertainty all around. How to handle the tale of a football game for the Super Bowl with African-Americans starting for each team? It was unprecedented. But was it newsworthy?



To harp on it incessantly would ... what? Call too much attention to a subject that many don't want raised -- not necessarily because it's about race, but because it isn't about football?



To ignore it would be ... what? Naïve? Not to mention disrespectful to the Marlin Briscoes and Joe Gilliams and James Harrises that blazed the trail?



In McNabb's view, again, it was a big deal.



"Last week should have been the time when people should have been talking about, hey, we have two African-American quarterbacks playing in the NFC championship, coming to the Super Bowl," he said. "A lot of people didn't even recognize it. They just think Michael Vick and Donovan McNabb played against each other."



Is it progress when there are more African-American quarterbacks starting in the league (six) than McNabb believes (four)? That there are black backup quarterbacks -- none of whom can be considered stars -- in places like Jacksonville and New England and Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and New York and Houston? Or that, as McNabb pointed out, all of the NFC's quarterbacks in the Pro Bowl next week will be African-American: McNabb, Vick and the Vikings' Daunte Culpepper? That's a big deal.



Isn't it?



Well, ask Williams.



There follows a long pause at the other end of the phone.



"Are you (bleeping) me?," he said, finally.



Told that you weren't (bleeping) him, Williams said, "I guess we're making (progress). I promise you, I did not even think about that."



Williams has followed McNabb's career as much as McNabb followed his. And he knows why McNabb has continued to resist any notion that he is a "running quarterback."



"If you watch football," Williams said, "and the so-called experts want to be fair to Donovan, they should go back to the day he broke his ankle. He didn't run. He couldn't run. But he threw two or three touchdown passes back there. He proved he could win a football game any way.



"When they say 'running quarterback,' they want to say 'athletic.' But what Donovan has is escapability. Ain't so sense in being a lame duck and letting people knock you around back there. Donovan's just got some tools. But nobody ever said Steve Young is a running quarterback, did they? I've seen Steve Young do some things that Donovan and McNabb did, but he wasn't labeled."



But McNabb would much rather have that debate than, say, answer one more question about Terrell Owens' ankle.



By the way, a slight knows no color. That's why McNabb bristles a little when it's opined that Owens -- also African-American, in case you didn't notice -- has somehow rescued him and the rest of the Eagles from purgatory this season.



"He did an excellent job of coming in and presenting a different kind of feel for our passing attack, and the rest of the guys have learned a little bit from him," McNabb said of T.O. "But he didn't make me into a better quarterback. If that's the case, then I made him into a better receiver."



He has spoken with Williams and McNair about what to expect on this stage, the stage on which each shined. McNair was 22 of 36 for 214 yards, in becoming the first quarterback to lead his team back from a 16-point Super Bowl deficit. But his Titans finished a yard short of tying St. Louis, so his performance has been forgotten by many.



While Williams has become part of the lore of this game, and this week, his place cemented by NFL Films and the like. That's what McNabb is shooting for. It's hard-wired into him, the need to be seen and succeed on this, the biggest stage, to be the vanguard of a new wave of quarterbacks who look different, talk different, play different.



"For the young people who are watching, who are wearing our jerseys, that's something you need to sit down and tell those kids about," McNabb said, without braggadocio. "Because there's going to come a time where, you never know, there may be two African-American quarterbacks in the Super Bowl." Wonder what we'll talk about then.

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he's talking about the historical aspect of a black qb playing in the Super Bowl....

maybe you don't remember, but there was a time, and not too long ago i might add (still probably believed by some) that many thought black qb's weren't smart enough to play qb....

it's about perspective....i don't hear any rooting on McNabb by the writer here...and isn't that what this is all about?
 

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He's also "talking" about whatever the person writing (editing) the peice wants him to.
 

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Limbaugh made the comments about McNabb at the beginning of the season in 2003. Aside from the comment about media bias due to McNabb being black, I believe Rush was right AT THE TIME, at least about McNabb being overrated. Quite simply, HE WAS. People that dismiss Rush's comments because of his politics are in denial. No matter what I think of his politics - the point he made about McNabb being overrated was 100% correct. Whether it (being over-hyped) was because he was black or not is a matter of debate, but it's a debate that is trivial. In other words, WHO CARES?? The important point was that McNabb was simply not a good QB at the time Rush made his comments by any respectable standard of measure.

Flash forward 1 and 1/2 seasons ... Incredibly as it may seem to some of you, players have been known to IMPROVE after spending time in the NFL. McNabb appears to be one of them. He is a vastly improved QB since Rush's statements. As a matter of fact, none other than RUSH HIMSELF ADMITS TO IT....

RUSH DECISION: LIMBAUGH LAUDS MCNABB


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[ February 1, 2005 -- Radio host Rush Limbaugh, who resigned from ESPN's "Sunday NFL Countdown" in September of 2003 when he was critical of Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, has reversed field.
After the Eagles' victory in the NFC title game, Limbaugh said: "There's no question McNabb has improved and I'm happy to see it." Limbaugh then asserted, "when the defense ... was propping the Eagles up, (media) were still giving McNabb credit- because there's this social hope."


A caller asked Limbaugh if his opinion of McNabb's abilities as a quarterback and leader have changed.

"You know, it has," Limbaugh said. "Since you've called and brought this up: At the time (in 2003), McNabb, the Eagles were 1-3 or 1-4. McNabb couldn't complete a pass over 20 yards. They had just come off two championship game losses and the third was coming up. But, since, yeah, there's been a demonstrable change in McNabb's performance, pure and simple. There's no question there has been. I think he was motivated, inspired by a whole lot of things.

"There's no question McNabb has improved and I'm happy to see it. I like quality football." ]


Conclusion: Don't underestimate the Eagles because you think Rush's opinion on McNabb was dead on, 'cause even Rush has now seen that McNabb has arrived.
 

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Hello The MD Kid..

THANK YOU for understanding what I myself was trying to get across..McNabb at the time of Limbaugh's statement was indeed OVER-RATED...but McNabb has since improved to the point that his passing numbers are superior to patriot QB Tom Brady.

Heck, I really wouldn't be surprised to see McNabb and his Eagles win this years Super Bowl, the key is to limit turnovers which is the reason why the patriots have been so successful....they don't make mistakes and simply wait for the other team to implode.

take care and good luck!

Deb
 

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thanks for the voice of reason.

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please take an english class prior to posting threads -- your misspelling and your misuse of the form of the verb be are embarrassing. furthermore, your wild accusations and overall ignorance of both the sport and of your colleagues here are unfounded and pathetic.

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don't ever let these dolts influence your posting here.

wc
on the contrary, you completely MISS the POINT sir.


gl
 

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hansen bros. said:
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please take an english class prior to posting threads --

its English dipshit...not "english"....dont correct someones grammer, and then fvckup in the same sentence....

and ill type "your" all day long when i mean "you're"....since im not being graded anytime soon for my use of apostrophes, ill not be using them...or i might...if i so choose....when i submit my thesis on importance of Hanson in todays music industry ill make sure i use them....:monsters-

:finger:

mmmm bop!
 

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