dwax said:
i have....and i didn't start this thread....
and while i'm at it, the premise of the thread is a bit rediculous....that somehow the next 2 weeks is gonna prove Rush Windbag right even though the Eagles are in the SUPER BOWL....LMAO....if you think the only player in the NFL that is being hyped up (fairly i might add - you can see the STATS i posted dwax) is D McNabb then you must only catch snips of ESPN....you only see what you want to see.....
oh, and with T Owens out, his best WR is a RB....lol.....
and he's in the Super Bowl....
and philly had the 10th overall defense in the league....16th against the run....12th against the pass....
oh, and their rushing offense was 24th in the league....
oh, and he's probably going to finish second in MVP voting to the record breaking Manning (maybe third to Culpepper - of course im sure he's another overhyped black QB too right?)
i won't be shutting up anytime soon, unless the Mods see fit to make it so....but i don't remember breaking any rules so i guess your stuck with me....
and Rush is a hack....
When rush made his point it was 2 years ago,Mcnabb was overated at the time,and it was in his opinion that he thought DM was getting to much attention from the media in corrolation to the things he had accomplished as an NFL QB because, he was black and the media was looking for a black messiah at QB.It was his opinion and he named a laundry list of why he was thought to be overated.
It is my prediction that that Rush's assesment would show up this week as he will be the media darling over the QB with two rings and two MVP's.
I think DM is a good kid and I think he has grown as a QB.I think the hype was way in front of what he showed.I also think he has lived up to the hype to a certain degree.
I think Mike Vick is overated...hell of an athelete but an avg. QB.But the media makes him out to be the 3rd coming of Christ.
To prove my point,who was the black QB that the media was coming all over themselves 3 or 4 years ago?
Kordell Stewart
Without a doubt P.manning has got more ink than all of them the last 2 years.
And he is 0 for Florida and 0- for Foxboro liftime.
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im guessing mcnabb and the eagles are liberal democrats and thats why he said such stupid things. so since hes an admitted steeler fan they must be republicans. and since his steelers are gone hes back on drugs and really spitefull now. but if his beloved george bush supported the eagles then hed put 10 mil on them cuz georgy can do no wrong in el rushbos eyes.~RG
Patriot said:
Pats, I'm not attacking you, but that laundry list was basically - the defense carried the team.....
So what this comes down to basically is your view (and Rush's) that the media wants black athletes to do well....well, i agree....BUT, what in the world is wrong with that??? they also want white athletes to do well....ESPN was all over Drew Brees being the comeback player of the year (what did he come back from exactly? - mediocrity)...but he put up great numbers this year and deserved the coverage he got....Big Ben was talked about everywhere - sportsradio, sports tv - pti, greatest damn sports show, sportscenter, nfl live, etc.....AND HE IS A FREAKIN ROOKIE that didn't have near the season McNabb did...but that's ok...no one is saying the media is hyping up some white guy cause they want the next white messiah....before the season started it was Hasselbeck this, Pennington that.....what the hell has Matt Hasselbeck done? sure pennington is good...but he's been pretty damn injury prone and ive never heard him called brittle (but ive heard it said about vick)....
all i'm saying is look at things yourself....that windbag rush just likes to stir things up....create controversy....it's his JOB! if he was mr nice guy no one would listen to him....people who listen to his show think he is right about everything...well there is a reason he seems right all the time...it's because there is no one to tell the other side of the story....
white athletes get hyped, just as often as black athletes....and for the record, mcnabb is deserving....
patriot
quit candy-coating your opinions here!!! rush was/is right!!! wc, and 919 or whomever are either ignorant, simply don't know football, are reverse racists, or more than likely all of the above!!!
mcnabb was then and still is a creation of the media -- period!!! yes, stat wise he had a great year in 2004, but then again so did garcia when he was throwing to T O -- hell, garcia was an all-pro when he had T O -- without him -- not even close.
so, let's take owens out of the picture -- mcnabb stats read as follows:
2003 16 tds -- 11 int -- 79.6 qb rating
in fact from 2002 thru 1999 his avg. qb rating was an utterly dismal 77!!!!
this guy is flat out OVER-RATED!!! sorry, no racism just facts!!! yes, mcnabb is a nice guy, but so what??? he is not a proficient qb!!!
they are in the super bowl bewcause of their def, don't kid yopurself -- it is the number ONE rated defense in the postseason, and it was the number TEN def yds allowed, and number THREE defense scoring!!!
ONCE AGAIN, rush is vindicated!!! and he will be come feb 6 2005!!
gl
quit candy-coating your opinions here!!! rush was/is right!!! wc, and 919 or whomever are either ignorant, simply don't know football, are reverse racists, or more than likely all of the above!!!
mcnabb was then and still is a creation of the media -- period!!! yes, stat wise he had a great year in 2004, but then again so did garcia when he was throwing to T O -- hell, garcia was an all-pro when he had T O -- without him -- not even close.
so, let's take owens out of the picture -- mcnabb stats read as follows:
2003 16 tds -- 11 int -- 79.6 qb rating
in fact from 2002 thru 1999 his avg. qb rating was an utterly dismal 77!!!!
this guy is flat out OVER-RATED!!! sorry, no racism just facts!!! yes, mcnabb is a nice guy, but so what??? he is not a proficient qb!!!
they are in the super bowl bewcause of their def, don't kid yopurself -- it is the number ONE rated defense in the postseason, and it was the number TEN def yds allowed, and number THREE defense scoring!!!
ONCE AGAIN, rush is vindicated!!! and he will be come feb 6 2005!!
gl
funny how the people who i would guess know a bit more than you keep voting him to the pro bowl....players must want all the black qbs to succeed as well....it's a damn conspiracy....lmao...
oh, and the games terrell didn't play this season?...mcnabb's rating actually went up...
i guess there are lots of qbs who lead their teams to 4 division championship games that suck...
look, if you want to believe rush windbag, that's on you....you and he can sit on your couch together popping oxycontin and eating potatoe chips and reminisce about the good ole days, when they wasn't no black qb's....only white ones...
oh, and the games terrell didn't play this season?...mcnabb's rating actually went up...
i guess there are lots of qbs who lead their teams to 4 division championship games that suck...
look, if you want to believe rush windbag, that's on you....you and he can sit on your couch together popping oxycontin and eating potatoe chips and reminisce about the good ole days, when they wasn't no black qb's....only white ones...
patriot
<HR style="COLOR: #fdde82" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->quit candy-coating your opinions here!!! rush was/is right!!! wc, and 919 or whomever are either ignorant, simply don't know football, are reverse racists, or more than likely all of the above!!!
mcnabb was then and still is a creation of the media -- period!!! yes, stat wise he had a great year in 2004, but then again so did garcia when he was throwing to T O -- hell, garcia was an all-pro when he had T O -- without him -- not even close.
so, let's take owens out of the picture -- mcnabb stats read as follows:
2003 16 tds -- 11 int -- 79.6 qb rating
in fact from 2002 thru 1999 his avg. qb rating was an utterly dismal 77!!!!
this guy is flat out OVER-RATED!!! sorry, no racism just facts!!! yes, mcnabb is a nice guy, but so what??? he is not a proficient qb!!!
they are in the super bowl bewcause of their def, don't kid yopurself -- it is the number ONE rated defense in the postseason, and it was the number TEN def yds allowed, and number THREE defense scoring!!!
ONCE AGAIN, rush is vindicated!!! and he will be come feb 6 2005!!
gl
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God damn Hansen your right...What the media did is paint Rush to be a racist for giving an opinion shared by a lot of people...(I just heard a tape of it on this AM again)
Also Gerry Callahan has an article written in this mornings Boston Herald.
What Rush basically said was he was getting a pass for sucking so bad at the time.There are many that agreed with his opinion.But, ESPN freacked out because they got a little heat.
Try to get Gerry Callahans article this morning from the Boston Herald, its outstanding.
Hanson and Patriot....
If your arguement is that DM is overrated...fine. Hanson, you just said JG was overrated when with SF...i don't recall anyone saying he is or was overrated because he is white or that some people think he might be gay.
That is the crux of the argument. Rush made it a race issue...and maybe if he had said it 15 to 20 years ago it would be true. There are a ton of overhyped athletes of all race. DM was no more overhyped at that time than Garcia, Manning, McNair, the list is endless. And he is no more now than the current crop of quarterbacks. Like I said, had McNair been playing that monday night Rush would have made the EXACT SAME STATEMENT...and you would have fell for it hook line and sinker. That is what you WANT to hear.
Honestly, before Rush said it, did you think DM was an overrated quarterback or an overrated quarterback because the media wants a black QB to do well? If the latter, ask yourself, why was Pro Bowler Jeff Garcia overrated? or even at the time, why was Manning overrated? Certainly not because they are black!
You both keep pointing out that he is still overrated...but now its not the media's fault, he's just overrated. What happened? Four straight trips to the NFC championship, a trip to the superbowl. A QB rating over 100 and over 110 for the playoffs, WITHOUT TO. No doubt he sucks at quarterback, I wouldn't want him on my team because I couldn't stand listening to the media tell us that DM is the next Joe Montana and, god forbid, Doug Williams.
Hope you both enjoy the superbowl. Don't forget to iron your little white sheets real crisp and cut the holes in the eyesockets big enough so you don't miss DM proving Rush was right. Because I know if they lose that you both are stupid enough to blame it all on McNabb. Hanson, you already have!
If your arguement is that DM is overrated...fine. Hanson, you just said JG was overrated when with SF...i don't recall anyone saying he is or was overrated because he is white or that some people think he might be gay.
That is the crux of the argument. Rush made it a race issue...and maybe if he had said it 15 to 20 years ago it would be true. There are a ton of overhyped athletes of all race. DM was no more overhyped at that time than Garcia, Manning, McNair, the list is endless. And he is no more now than the current crop of quarterbacks. Like I said, had McNair been playing that monday night Rush would have made the EXACT SAME STATEMENT...and you would have fell for it hook line and sinker. That is what you WANT to hear.
Honestly, before Rush said it, did you think DM was an overrated quarterback or an overrated quarterback because the media wants a black QB to do well? If the latter, ask yourself, why was Pro Bowler Jeff Garcia overrated? or even at the time, why was Manning overrated? Certainly not because they are black!
You both keep pointing out that he is still overrated...but now its not the media's fault, he's just overrated. What happened? Four straight trips to the NFC championship, a trip to the superbowl. A QB rating over 100 and over 110 for the playoffs, WITHOUT TO. No doubt he sucks at quarterback, I wouldn't want him on my team because I couldn't stand listening to the media tell us that DM is the next Joe Montana and, god forbid, Doug Williams.
Hope you both enjoy the superbowl. Don't forget to iron your little white sheets real crisp and cut the holes in the eyesockets big enough so you don't miss DM proving Rush was right. Because I know if they lose that you both are stupid enough to blame it all on McNabb. Hanson, you already have!
Maybe the pats are just a superior team over the EAGLES....although i do think Brady is a little better than McNabb for this game because he's been here already.
Eagles aren't winning this game.. Sorry Philly folks...it aint happening no matter how much you wish it too.
If folks from Philly are betting The Eagles because they are Eagle Fans..then it's for the wrong reasons. Miracles do happen..but not this time.
See the difference in a Eagle and a Jet fan or Giant Fan is obvious.
Now grant you they may cover but they are not winning. SORRY GET REAL WILL YAS and stop the chest thumping...Philly fans are too fanatical to take a step back and say wait a second !
C.mmon...Eagles played in a pathetic division..and The onslaught will be so evident in this game just like the ravens-giants years ago.
GOOD LUCK
arty:
WE NEED HANDICAPPING REASONS other that the eagles will find a way.
Eagles aren't winning this game.. Sorry Philly folks...it aint happening no matter how much you wish it too.
If folks from Philly are betting The Eagles because they are Eagle Fans..then it's for the wrong reasons. Miracles do happen..but not this time.
See the difference in a Eagle and a Jet fan or Giant Fan is obvious.
Now grant you they may cover but they are not winning. SORRY GET REAL WILL YAS and stop the chest thumping...Philly fans are too fanatical to take a step back and say wait a second !
C.mmon...Eagles played in a pathetic division..and The onslaught will be so evident in this game just like the ravens-giants years ago.
GOOD LUCK
arty: WE NEED HANDICAPPING REASONS other that the eagles will find a way.
Hello my friends..
I thought I would add my "Two Cents" to the discussion of whether Rush Limbaugh was correct or not with regard to what he said concerning Philly QB Donovan McNabb being "Over-Rated" and a product of "Media Hype".
A look at what Limbaugh actually said versus how the media tried to SPIN what was said shows that Limbaugh was indeed totally accurate in his assessment at that point in time and that his comments were not racially based in the least:
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"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well," Limbaugh said. "There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."
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The fact of the matter is that when Limbaugh made the above statement on ESPN the Eagles had one of the very best "D's" in the NFL for five years running but had been getting very little help in the way of offensive production and thus consistently came up short with McNabb under center...Three Straight Times.
McNabb has now started for the Eagles since the 2000 season and up until this season Philly's offense had never ranked higher than 10th in the NFL in terms of total yards gained, last season the Eagles finished with an overall offensive ranking of 18th...even the addition of Terrell Owens in the line up this year only elevated Philly's offense to an overall ranking of 9th.
Philly HC Andy Reid and defensive coordinator Jim Johnson really don't get the credit they truly deserve for dominating the NFC Conference over the past five years like they have with regard to posting a combined win/loss mark of 66-25 since the start of the 2000 season, over the same time period the Patriots posted a win/loss mark of 61-27 yet they have two Super Bowl rings while the Eagles have three NFC Championship losses.
I still remember reading the Friday's edition of the USA Today newspaper last year prior to Philly playing Carolina in the NFC Championship game, we were treated to a full page spread complete with huge pictures and headlines that screamed out the merits of Philly QB Donovan McNabb and his eagles and how the "Third time was the Charm".
Clearly the stories and coverage in the USA Today newspaper were slanted towards who they apparently believed or for that matter, wanted, to advance to Houston...and it certainly wasn't the Carolina Panthers with QB Jake Delhomme.
The offense and defense of Carolina actually ranked higher in terms of rushing, passing, rushing "D", and passing "D" but were installed as 4 point doggies...why?
Was it because of the public perception generated around McNabb and his team with regard to the pre game "Hype"??
The spread of more than the standard FG that Philly layed to Carolina, couldn't have been put in place due to the Eagles having a good home record during the regular season as they were a mediocre 5-3 straight up in home games.
The spread of more than the standard FG that Philly layed to Carolina, couldn't have been put in place because Philly had the better QB statically speaking...
...because Carolina's QB Jake Delhomme had the better numbers entering that contest as Delhomme had thrown for more total yardage, had tossed more TD's and had a higher completion percentage than McNabb.
The truth of the matter is that Philly's overall offensive ranking of 9th in the NFL this year is the highest ranking that Philly's offense has achieved with McNabb under center since their 10th place ranking in 2002, in the two years previous in 2000 and 2001 Philly ranked 17th in a 32 team league and last season Philly's offense finished up ranked 18th.
Thus when someone like Limbaugh made the comment that McNabb was "Over-Rated" and had been carried in the past by his defense.....how in the world can that be characterized as "Racially based" bias?
I've already pointed out the fact that prior to Philly playing against Carolina in last seasons NFC Championship game that Panther QB Jake Delhomme had better QB stats than McNabb, Delhomme was a first year starter that found his way into the NFL via NFL Europe and the Arena league and was a backup in New Orleans but in the end made it to the Super Bowl...why was there no Delhomme hype prior to that game?
Brad Johnson of the Tampa Bucs was statically speaking, one of the best QB's in the NFL last year and even managed to win a Super Bowl but yet is not spoken about as being a "Great QB" in terms of media hype like McNabb.
Brad Johnson over his career has completed 61.8% of his passes and has a NFL career passer rating of 84.1, meanwhile, McNabb's career completion percentage is a very mediocre 57.00% with a career QB rating of 79.3.
I compared Brad Johnson to McNabb earlier because Johnson has something McNabb doesn't, a Super Bowl ring, which he went on to win after his Bucs demolished McNabb's Eagles in the NFC championship game two years ago by the final score of 27-10...which was of course a supposed "Upset" as the Bucs were visiting doggies.
The Bucs and Eagles were regarded by everyone as having the two best defenses in the NFL two years ago, however, when they played head to head in the Championship game, the difference was that the Bucs defense completely bottled up McNabb while the Eagles defense couldn't stop Johnson.
I made mention of Panther QB Jake Delhomme a little earlier, once again the same thing happened in last years NFC Championship game as in the previous year, Delhomme was able to have success while McNabb faltered when needed most, the result was much the same as Carolina throttled the Eagles by the final of 14-3...another supposed "Upset" win by a visiting doggie.
What is truly amazing and very hypocritical to me my friends, is the fact that Limbaugh was BLASTED by the same media "Talking Heads" for supposedly making race an issue in the NFL when in fact these same media types constantly point out race to us...
...you've heard it before, so and so is the first Black to do this or so and so is the first African American to do that.
The truth of the matter is that no black QB has been able to dominate a league in which the majority of the players are black and this upsets the liberal press in America to no end.
Rush Limbaugh didn't say Donovan McNabb was a bad QB because he is black, he said that the media has over rated McNabb because he is black...and Limbaugh was right.
take care and good luck!
Deb
I thought I would add my "Two Cents" to the discussion of whether Rush Limbaugh was correct or not with regard to what he said concerning Philly QB Donovan McNabb being "Over-Rated" and a product of "Media Hype".
A look at what Limbaugh actually said versus how the media tried to SPIN what was said shows that Limbaugh was indeed totally accurate in his assessment at that point in time and that his comments were not racially based in the least:
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Quote:
"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well," Limbaugh said. "There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."
__________________________________________________________________
The fact of the matter is that when Limbaugh made the above statement on ESPN the Eagles had one of the very best "D's" in the NFL for five years running but had been getting very little help in the way of offensive production and thus consistently came up short with McNabb under center...Three Straight Times.
McNabb has now started for the Eagles since the 2000 season and up until this season Philly's offense had never ranked higher than 10th in the NFL in terms of total yards gained, last season the Eagles finished with an overall offensive ranking of 18th...even the addition of Terrell Owens in the line up this year only elevated Philly's offense to an overall ranking of 9th.
Philly HC Andy Reid and defensive coordinator Jim Johnson really don't get the credit they truly deserve for dominating the NFC Conference over the past five years like they have with regard to posting a combined win/loss mark of 66-25 since the start of the 2000 season, over the same time period the Patriots posted a win/loss mark of 61-27 yet they have two Super Bowl rings while the Eagles have three NFC Championship losses.
I still remember reading the Friday's edition of the USA Today newspaper last year prior to Philly playing Carolina in the NFC Championship game, we were treated to a full page spread complete with huge pictures and headlines that screamed out the merits of Philly QB Donovan McNabb and his eagles and how the "Third time was the Charm".
Clearly the stories and coverage in the USA Today newspaper were slanted towards who they apparently believed or for that matter, wanted, to advance to Houston...and it certainly wasn't the Carolina Panthers with QB Jake Delhomme.
The offense and defense of Carolina actually ranked higher in terms of rushing, passing, rushing "D", and passing "D" but were installed as 4 point doggies...why?
Was it because of the public perception generated around McNabb and his team with regard to the pre game "Hype"??
The spread of more than the standard FG that Philly layed to Carolina, couldn't have been put in place due to the Eagles having a good home record during the regular season as they were a mediocre 5-3 straight up in home games.
The spread of more than the standard FG that Philly layed to Carolina, couldn't have been put in place because Philly had the better QB statically speaking...
...because Carolina's QB Jake Delhomme had the better numbers entering that contest as Delhomme had thrown for more total yardage, had tossed more TD's and had a higher completion percentage than McNabb.
The truth of the matter is that Philly's overall offensive ranking of 9th in the NFL this year is the highest ranking that Philly's offense has achieved with McNabb under center since their 10th place ranking in 2002, in the two years previous in 2000 and 2001 Philly ranked 17th in a 32 team league and last season Philly's offense finished up ranked 18th.
Thus when someone like Limbaugh made the comment that McNabb was "Over-Rated" and had been carried in the past by his defense.....how in the world can that be characterized as "Racially based" bias?
I've already pointed out the fact that prior to Philly playing against Carolina in last seasons NFC Championship game that Panther QB Jake Delhomme had better QB stats than McNabb, Delhomme was a first year starter that found his way into the NFL via NFL Europe and the Arena league and was a backup in New Orleans but in the end made it to the Super Bowl...why was there no Delhomme hype prior to that game?
Brad Johnson of the Tampa Bucs was statically speaking, one of the best QB's in the NFL last year and even managed to win a Super Bowl but yet is not spoken about as being a "Great QB" in terms of media hype like McNabb.
Brad Johnson over his career has completed 61.8% of his passes and has a NFL career passer rating of 84.1, meanwhile, McNabb's career completion percentage is a very mediocre 57.00% with a career QB rating of 79.3.
I compared Brad Johnson to McNabb earlier because Johnson has something McNabb doesn't, a Super Bowl ring, which he went on to win after his Bucs demolished McNabb's Eagles in the NFC championship game two years ago by the final score of 27-10...which was of course a supposed "Upset" as the Bucs were visiting doggies.
The Bucs and Eagles were regarded by everyone as having the two best defenses in the NFL two years ago, however, when they played head to head in the Championship game, the difference was that the Bucs defense completely bottled up McNabb while the Eagles defense couldn't stop Johnson.
I made mention of Panther QB Jake Delhomme a little earlier, once again the same thing happened in last years NFC Championship game as in the previous year, Delhomme was able to have success while McNabb faltered when needed most, the result was much the same as Carolina throttled the Eagles by the final of 14-3...another supposed "Upset" win by a visiting doggie.
What is truly amazing and very hypocritical to me my friends, is the fact that Limbaugh was BLASTED by the same media "Talking Heads" for supposedly making race an issue in the NFL when in fact these same media types constantly point out race to us...
...you've heard it before, so and so is the first Black to do this or so and so is the first African American to do that.
The truth of the matter is that no black QB has been able to dominate a league in which the majority of the players are black and this upsets the liberal press in America to no end.
Rush Limbaugh didn't say Donovan McNabb was a bad QB because he is black, he said that the media has over rated McNabb because he is black...and Limbaugh was right.
take care and good luck!
Deb
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