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Montana was the star of his teams.....when elway won the Super Bowl Terrell Davis was the star of the team. Elway didn't even throw for 125 yards in the super bowl.....he handed the ball to Terrell.

Montana also played on stacked teams that pretty much raped the draft process back then. He had Rice, Craig, Taylor. Good defense, OL, etc

Not to mention most teams just didn't even know how to deal with the West Coast offense back then because it was so new.

Young had a lot of success with the 9ers after Montana left, it wasn't a coincidence.
 
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Ask anyone in Indy, Peyton Manning and soon Luck are the 2 best qb's to ever live. Luck may be better than the guy who invented the forward pass in 1621.
 

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If you watch tapes of the '86 and '87 seasons when Elway took teams with no running game, no O-line and no defense to the SB you'd think otherwise. As soon as Elway got the kind of stacked team that Montana had almost his entire career, he won two titles.


LMAO!!! You're joking right! Stacked team in 81? Really With the great Ricky patton and his 540 yards rushing the ball, compares to TD Sharpe Smith and Mccraffery!! COME ON MAN!!
 

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Again Elway 8 seasons of a thousand yard back Marino one. No one can respond to the fact that BRAIN GRIESE LED THE LEAGUE in PASSING ON THAT GREAT OFFENCE MINUS TERRELL DAVIS and JAKE PLUMMER made the PRO BOWL!! If Davis stayed healthy any above average QB could lead that team to a super bowl!!!
 

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John Elway**

couldnt win until Denver cheated the salary cap, to which they were fined biggest amount ever and lost multiple draft picks.


whoop whoop whoop
 

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Montana also played on stacked teams that pretty much raped the draft process back then. He had Rice, Craig, Taylor. Good defense, OL, etc

Not to mention most teams just didn't even know how to deal with the West Coast offense back then because it was so new.

Young had a lot of success with the 9ers after Montana left, it wasn't a coincidence.

Not in 81. Montana had nothing compared to other Super Bowl winners. Young had success because he's the best ever!! Led the league in passing without Rice, and the team was awful after he retired!!
 

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Great reply in this thread:



Marino didn't win a Superbowl because he as a quarterback was not capable of it.

Marino inherited one of the best organizations in the league, a Miami Dolphins team that won 141 games, two Superbowls, and ten other playoff games before they drafted him in 1983. In his career he won just eight playoff games (with ten losses) and finished with a career completion percentage of 59.4%. Claims Marino had no run game or defense are false - he inherited one of the best defenses and best run games in the league; his run game in yards per carry through his career exceeded all but eleven Superbowl champions; he had top-12 scoring defenses seven times and had the top scoring defense in 1983 and 1998; his 1984 Superbowl run came with a defense seventh in scoring with only 3,200 passing yards allowed and with a plus-eight turnover differential. By no standard could that squad be considered inferior, and all his playoff teams were good enough to go somewhere in the playoffs.

It was in the playoffs that Marino was completely in over his head, throwing at least two interceptions in nine of his ten playoff losses - in his one Superbowl he threw two interceptions, had a pedestrian 67 passer rating, and this against a 49ers team that was far from invincible (as the NY Giants and Minnesota Vikings would graphically prove the next few seasons).

The blunt truth is Marino was one of the worst playoff quarterbacks in history.

http://www.quora.com/Great-Athlete-Debates/Why-didnt-Dan-Marino-NFL-QB-win-a-Super-Bowl

49ers team that was far from invincible!!! Really who writes this stuff!! They came within a BS pass interference call, that wouldn't even get called in todays NFL, from 19-0 and the writer is trying to downplay this great team! COME ON MAN!!!!
 

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Marino was a chump in every facet, come crunch time....no debate

Marino had the 7th best single season playoff performance in history of any quarterback attempting over 60 passes in a playoff run!!! Other than Montana twice, Aikman, Young, Flacco, and Brees, no one had a better SINGLE playoff season passing than Marino. Flacco and Brees are from a different era so you really can't compare them to Marino, which leaves just Montana, Young and Aikman. I guess when you complete over 68% of your passes and throw 5 touchdowns and no pics, it's your fault that your team loses. Gotta love the logic behind that!
 

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lol

you must be joking

Miami had 6 turnovers that game including 5 fumbles which they lost 4.

Miami's running game was awful and their D couldn't stop the run.

That was the first win in Miami by NE in almost a decade.

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Come on Scott, Marino should have recovered those four fumbles!!
 

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Lots of uneducated posts on this forum...I'll leave it at that.
 

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Marino had the 7th best single season playoff performance in history of any quarterback attempting over 60 passes in a playoff run!!! Other than Montana twice, Aikman, Young, Flacco, and Brees, no one had a better SINGLE playoff season passing than Marino. Flacco and Brees are from a different era so you really can't compare them to Marino, which leaves just Montana, Young and Aikman. I guess when you complete over 68% of your passes and throw 5 touchdowns and no pics, it's your fault that your team loses. Gotta love the logic behind that!
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Come on Scott, Marino should have recovered those four fumbles!!


Marino accounted for half of their six turnovers, one of the fumbles was his. He also threw a pick in the end zone.



Eason 3 TD's 0 Int.

Marino 2 TD's 2 Int. 1 Fumble

He choked on his home field. Outplayed by the great Tony Eason.




Dan Marino is far more overrated than Elway. He is the most overrated QB from that era.
 

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Marino is more overrated than Elway. It's a fact.
Old article, but fact based:
 
The Marino mythology

Cold, Hard Football Facts for Oct 08, 2004

The Miami Dolphins are in a terrible tailspin. The clueless coach is a dead man walking. The historically inept offense averages just 8 points per game. The starting quarterback was benched in the first half of the first game of the season.

The Dolphins are off to their worst start (0-4) since 1966 and one could argue that no impending lousy season in NFL history was telegraphed earlier and more often than this season in Miami. Their quarterback controversy began around the 4th of July. Their star running back split training camp to hang out in Asia and smoke weed – one of the great backstabbing douche moves in sports history. Meanwhile, the organization's most famous face, former quarterback Dan Marino, flirted with the front office last season. It took him all of two hours before disavowing himself of any association with this fiery Hindenburg of a franchise. Oh, the humanity!

Of course, bad news in Miami is glorious news in New England. After all, the Dolphins treated the Patriots like a two-dollar Tijuana whore for much of their history. From the 1960s to the 1980s, the Patriots lost 18 straight games in Miami. This streak included woodshed beatings of 41-3 and 52-0 in back-to-back seasons.

Fast forward to 2004. The Patriots are poised to set a record for the longest winning streak in NFL history; a record held in part by those Dolphins who administered that 52-0 beating back in 1972. New England's record-breaking effort comes against the Dolphins at a time when they are mired in the depths of despair.

For fans up in New England, only one thing could make this week better: kicking Miami's fans when they're down.

These DollFans are weak and disoriented. It's easy to beat them into a fetal ball. Tell them that Marino, the greatest player in Miami history, is an overrated fraud. With any luck, they'll have an instant apoplectic seizure. If not, they may fight back like a desperate rat trapped in a corner.

Here's how to administer the final beating, courtesy of that shod-foot thug, the Cold, Hard Football Facts. Marino is, of course, the greatest regular-season quarterback in NFL history. He holds records in every meaningful career and single-season statistical category. But he never got it done in crunch time, and his failure to win a Super Bowl is a black mark in Miami history. Marino is, quite simply, the greatest player in North American sports never to win a championship.

DollFans have created an entire Mythology of Marino to explain this failure. They say he had no defense, no running game, no supporting cast. It sounds good on paper, but it's just not true. Fortunately, the Cold, Hard Football Facts worship in a different temple, one where raw numbers and reality reign as Zeus and Apollo. They easily debunked the four biggest myths perpetuated by the cult of Dan Marino.

Myth: Dan Marino had no defense.

Cold, Hard Football Facts: Marino played 17 seasons in the NFL. Twice, he had the luxury of playing with the league's No. 1 scoring defense: his rookie year of 1983 (15.6 points per game), and again in 1998 (16.6 points per game). That's a pretty enviable ratio in a league that had 28 and then 30 teams in Marino's playing days.

Consider this: Terry Bradshaw played 14 seasons in Pittsburgh and won four Super Bowls. The famed Steel Curtain defense that he played with led the league in scoring just twice in those 14 years. Of Bradshaw's four title teams, only one boasted the league's best scoring defense.

In Marino's record-setting 1984 season, the Dolphins had the No. 1 scoring offense in football and the No. 6 scoring defense (18.6 points per game). The 1990 Dolphins, meanwhile, boasted the league's No. 4 scoring defense, surrendering just 15.1 points per game.

There's no doubt Marino played with some poor defenses in his day, but that's the price of playing in the league 17 years. But the Cold, Hard Football Facts show that he also played with several defenses more than strong enough to win Super Bowls.

Myth: Marino had no running game.

Cold, Hard Football Facts: Marino joined Miami at a time when it had a reputation of being the best ground team in football. In fact, the year before Marino was drafted, the Dolphins made it all the way to the Super Bowl on the strength of a great running game and great defense.

In Marino's rookie year, 1983, the Dolphins racked up 2,150 yards on the ground. In 1984, Marino set single-season records with 48 touchdowns and 5,084 yards passing. The Dolphins still managed 1,918 rushing yards and averaged 4.0 yards per carry.

It would be disingenuous to say that the Dolphins were a great running team later in Marino's career. Of course, much of that can be attributed to too few rushing attempts and a misguided faith placed in Marino's arm.

But consider this: The New England Patriots went 17-2 and won the Super Bowl last year while averaging a woeful 3.4 yards per rushing attempt. The Dolphins averaged more than 3.4 yards per rushing attempt 14 times in Marino's 17 seasons. In other words, Marino's Dolphins ran the ball more than well enough to win Super Bowls.

Myth: Marino had to carry the Dolphins himself.

Cold, Hard Football Facts: Few quarterbacks in NFL history have been surrounded by more talent than Marino.

In his 17-year career, Marino played with 55 players named to the Pro Bowl. Marino himself was named a Pro Bowler nine times. That's a remarkable 64 Pro Bowl players, or nearly four for every season Marino spent in the NFL. Four times in Marino's career, the Dolphins boasted five or more Pro Bowl players in a single season. Compare that with New England's two Super Bowl teams, which had a total of just five Pro Bowl players.

Marino also had the rare luxury of joining a team that had played in the Super Bowl the year before he arrived. He also played most of his career for the winningest coach in NFL history, Don Shula.

Shula has quite a resume. Working with quarterbacks Bob Griese, Earl Morrall and Johnny Unitas, he led the Colts and Dolphins to five Super Bowls in 15 years. Over the next 13 seasons, working with Marino, he appeared in just one more Super Bowl. He lost.

If any quarterback in NFL history walked into an ideal situation in which to win a Super Bowl, it was Dan Marino.

Myth: Marino was a big-game quarterback.

Cold, Hard Football Facts: Want to know the real reason why Marino never won a Super Bowl? Sadly, the answer sits with Dan Marino himself.

Simply put, Marino did not elevate his game in the playoffs. In fact, his played dropped off quite noticeably. Marino has a career regular season passer rating of 86.4. His postseason passer rating was just 77.1. He played in 18 playoff games, and won just eight of them.

In his one Super Bowl appearance (a 38-16 loss to the 49ers in Super Bowl XIX), Marino completed 29 of 50 passes for 318 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. It adds up to a weak 66.9 passer rating. One wonders what might have happened had his two Super Bowl drives that ended in interceptions ended in touchdowns instead.

Remember that 1998 Miami team that had the best defense in football? It made the playoffs, but Marino failed to hold up his end of the bargain. The season ended in the second round of the playoffs, with Marino coughing up two interceptions against Denver and posting a passer rating of just 65.5. Yet another opportunity for Marino to win a Super Bowl tossed into the hands of an opposing defender.

In fact, Marino threw at least one interception in 13 of his 18 career playoff games. He threw two or more interceptions 10 times. The Dolphins went just 1-9 in those 10 Marino multi-interception playoff games.

So, DollFans, if you're looking for a reason why Miami never won a Super Bowl in the 1980s or 90s, look no further than the faded Dan Marino poster still taped to the ceiling over your bed.
 
 
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/the-marino-mythology/4507/
 

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Nice link. I forgot how much of a joke CHFF was even back then.

Some quality analysis right there and I'm not really here to defend Marino

DollFans and citing the Dolphins D in '98 when Marino was 37 probably the 2 best parts
 

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I really don't see the overrated tag with Elway or Marino. Did they underwhelm at times? Yeah but so have the modern day great QBs. Neither 1 of those 2 were consistently on teams like Young/Montana 9ers or Aikman's Cowboys or really even Kelly's Bills.

The most overrated QB to me is Kurt Warner. I don't even really think he is a HOFer but he is a lock to get in. His story was so great and he was such a likable guy that people really aren't going to criticize aspects of his career. Being a class act tends to help your legacy.

He comes out of nowhere for the Rams. They have 2 HOF level WRs and a HOF level RB, not to mention a pro bowl left tackle. They're playing in a watered down era when teams really didn't know how to manage the salary cap yet and most of the good teams from the 90s had started to fade while the elite teams of the next generation hadn't really formed yet. This was a big reason the superbowl between the Rams 2 trips featured Kerry Collins vs Trent Dilfer.

Plays 3 really good years for the stacked Rams then in year 4 the wheels falloff. Gets hit too much, turns it over too much (TOs were a problem for him his whole time with Rams, some of that was Martz offense, some was him) and he gets benched for Bulger.

Then he goes to the Giants and we don't hear from him for 3 years basically besides as a backup for the Cards. Finally he makes his way into the Cards starting lineup after Leinart gets hurt. They have Boldin and Fitzgerald which was the best WR tandem in the league at the time. They go 9-7 then get hot in the playoffs and almost win the superbowl. The next year they go 10-6 and get killed by the Saints in rd 1 then he retires.

So basically he had 5 good years and all on teams with stacked talent. What other star QB just becomes completely irrelevant and can't even start for the entire middle portion of his career? It is literally unprecedented.

But like I said he had a cool story, he's a good guy and to be honest he probably took like 9 concussions playing for Martz so lets not be too harsh on him. Final verdict: OVERRATED
 

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